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Anyone know if these would fit in a GU?

Chev 6.6LT 2004 model Duramax 300HP Turbo Diesel
comes with
alloy heads,
computer,
direct injection,
air alternator,
air cond,
starter,
turbo,
engine displacement 402CID (6599CC)
12 months guarantee.

Will ring Marks tomorrow as well.

yep

Nothing a sledgehammer can't fix bit of rubbing of firewall

Big Red Toy wrote:yep

Nothing a sledgehammer can't fix bit of rubbing of firewall

lol... more worried about having to move gearbox forward/back.

drivin a 6.5 chev diesel on Tuesday, but this caught my eye from an old thread....

Looking through the code of practice manual
and the largest size engine you can upgrade to is 5700cc. If you want it street legal. Thats here in sunny old QLD. Maybe different in dreary old Melb.
But bloody hell.....what a stump puller.
Will prolly have to shift some of the accesories around to fit it.





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hillbilly wrote:Looking through the code of practice manual
and the largest size engine you can upgrade to is 5700cc. If you want it street legal. Thats here in sunny old QLD. Maybe different in dreary old Melb.
But bloody hell.....what a stump puller.
Will prolly have to shift some of the accesories around to fit it.

happy to stay in drery old melb where you can legally fit big tires

The 6.5 V8 Chev fits no problems.. but this is newer, and nearly double the neddies... although its turbo, and the Turbo 6.5 chev causes overheating problems.

Im a little worried, the 7.3 Ford is $2000+ per injector, and they cant be rebuilt $2000 x 8 = a GU on its own!

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6.5 Chev Diesel

Capacity: 6.5 ltr 397 Cubic Inches
Horsepower: 170 at 3400RPM
Kilowatt: 130 @ 3400 rpm
Torque: 320 ft lbs at 1700 RPM 420 Nm at 1700 RPM
Fuel Indirect Injection by rotary pump and nozzel injector
Electrical System 12 Volt
Weight 320Kg, depending on accessories

Somehow I don`t think Ford will be buying there next generation diesel from International.
Over 50 million US spent now buy Ford (in the US) for warranty claims on Inters 2nd generation V8 diesel engine in the F series trucks.
Wander how much it cost in warranty claims on the Inters first 8`s.

It would be cheaper to shop around and buy a 4.2 TD GU than to buy a 4.5 then convert it to a V8 Diesel. There is a 4.2 TD GU at the local Nissan with very low k's for $32 000. A diesel V8 would be nice though. The GU 4.5 is a very good motor. Plenty of power and if on LPG should cost under $10 for a 100 km's according to Qld prices.

LudaCris

My spanner tried to fit the duramax to his gq and it came up 6 inches too short. The duramax is a lot longer engine than the 6.5.
as to wether the gu has more length under the bonnet than the gq I simply do not know.
I did 5ooo miles in the us in a duramax powered dual cab and man these things rock. the truck weighs over 4 ton but it still lays rubber in three gears and returns over 20 us mpg.

Bruce,

Anthony is putting the 6cyl Cummins in his Hybrid TJ. Worth having a look whilst you have your tape measure out.Teuton Engineering
Fcty 3/ 4 Len Thomas Pl Narre Warren 3805 (03) 8790 3262

ludacris wrote:It would be cheaper to shop around and buy a 4.2 TD GU than to buy a 4.5 then convert it to a V8 Diesel. There is a 4.2 TD GU at the local Nissan with very low k's for $32 000.

Actually I reckon it will only be a few grand more for the Chev.
But this is my midlife crisis leave me alone Dude on EO did one recently driveaway $36k from a 2.8 GU that had blown motor when he bought it.

hey were did u fine that motor from nad pricing?

Mousie wrote:hey were did u fine that motor from nad pricing?

Which engine?

The Duramax was http://www.suburbanimports.com.au/
The Chev is Brunswick Diesels...

Bogged,
I don't think the 6.6L Duramax will fit the GU without some serious Firewall & Radiator Support Panel Work. I had a guy try to sell me one that he had imported to fit to a GU and it was 4-5" too long for the Bay ( I'd be happy to take some measurments if you wish ).
It would be a great conversion though as the Duramax Engine is unbelievable. The other tricky part would be fitting the Allison 5-speed ( or 6-speed in the current models ) Auto into the Patrol Tunnel, they are a huge box.
We run an "04" C3500 Chevy Silverado as our Workshop Truck and nothing even comes close. Much nicer everywhere when compared to the 6.5Chev ( noise, fuel, reliability, horsepower, torque ).
If you decide to go ahead with it "Eagle Auto Spares" is another option for sourcing the Engine.
The latest Configuration called the LBZ is now 268kw/881nm standard. We haven't yet Dyno'd an LBZ, however the LLY has about 210-215Hp at the Wheels and the Addition of a Banks 6-Gun takes them to 310-315 Rear Wheel Horsepower.

An amazing bit of kit.

Regards
Craig

What you said bruce... sounds interesting you could go the early GU 2.8 lt model, yank that and use it as a boat anchor, dumb your big diesel in with the 4.2tb patrol box behind it ~assuming it is strong enough..

Then you have a meataxe diesel, 4.6 ratios in near unbreakable diffs perfect for 35's straight up...

I have just finished putting a 6.5 turbo in my gq, now done 1000km, not much room left. a center mount turbo would of been easer. as the side winder required some major exhaust manifold modifing. the front mount inter cooler is next ,only need to plum it up. this new motor has great power,there is now on such thing as hills. and not much more fuel than the old td 4.2 . the diffs are to slow on the open road as it can be driven at 60km in 5th ,and to fast when rock crawling. need 3.9's and reduction low range. so if any one want's a 4.2 td, or has 3.9 diffs for sale , let me know. also have another 6.5 non turbo up and runnig, this will be for sale soon.

JemmyBubbles wrote:What you said bruce... sounds interesting you could go the early GU 2.8 lt model, yank that and use it as a boat anchor, dumb your big diesel in with the 4.2tb patrol box behind it ~assuming it is strong enough..

Close, Brunswick AND Linquip both say that the 4.5 is the pick. No idea why yet... I want a late model truck as possible... 2002 would be nice lol...

Then you have a meataxe diesel, 4.6 ratios in near unbreakable diffs perfect for 35's straight up...

Mate in Perth is chasing 3.7's out of 4.8GU for his... 4.6s you could run 44's and start off in 4th...

Recommended that you go with 3.9's with the larger donks.

patrol man wrote:I have just finished putting a 6.5 turbo in my gq, now done 1000km, not much room left. a center mount turbo would of been easer. as the side winder required some major exhaust manifold modifing. the front mount inter cooler is next ,only need to plum it up. this new motor has great power,there is now on such thing as hills. and not much more fuel than the old td 4.2 . the diffs are to slow on the open road as it can be driven at 60km in 5th ,and to fast when rock crawling. need 3.9's and reduction low range. so if any one want's a 4.2 td, or has 3.9 diffs for sale , let me know. also have another 6.5 non turbo up and runnig, this will be for sale soon.

All the conversion palces I've spoken to say no way to go the turbo, as the nightmare overheating will occur on hot days.. Bloke at Brunswick has a Turbo in his, and regrets it. Only has it in there for a demo now.

LOCKEE wrote:Bruce,

Anthony is putting the 6cyl Cummins in his Hybrid TJ. Worth having a look whilst you have your tape measure out.Teuton Engineering
Fcty 3/ 4 Len Thomas Pl Narre Warren 3805 (03) 8790 3262

Sorry for the hijack, but which Cummins motor are you talking here? Must be small to fit in a TJ?

bogged wrote:

patrol man wrote:I have just finished putting a 6.5 turbo in my gq, now done 1000km, not much room left. a center mount turbo would of been easer. as the side winder required some major exhaust manifold modifing. the front mount inter cooler is next ,only need to plum it up. this new motor has great power,there is now on such thing as hills. and not much more fuel than the old td 4.2 . the diffs are to slow on the open road as it can be driven at 60km in 5th ,and to fast when rock crawling. need 3.9's and reduction low range. so if any one want's a 4.2 td, or has 3.9 diffs for sale , let me know. also have another 6.5 non turbo up and runnig, this will be for sale soon.

All the conversion palces I've spoken to say no way to go the turbo, as the nightmare overheating will occur on hot days.. Bloke at Brunswick has a Turbo in his, and regrets it. Only has it in there for a demo now.

Have you been for the test drive yet?

Simo63 wrote:Have you been for the test drive yet?

11 hrs and counting

will do that bux tomorrow.. too tired now

beretta wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:Bruce,

Anthony is putting the 6cyl Cummins in his Hybrid TJ. Worth having a look whilst you have your tape measure out.Teuton Engineering
Fcty 3/ 4 Len Thomas Pl Narre Warren 3805 (03) 8790 3262

Sorry for the hijack, but which Cummins motor are you talking here? Must be small to fit in a TJ?

5.9
Is a hybrid with a Tj Body on an F250, body widend and stretched.

Good motor. Lots of people in the states yank the Chev V8 Diesels and fit the Cummins.

LOCKEE wrote:

beretta wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:Bruce,

Anthony is putting the 6cyl Cummins in his Hybrid TJ. Worth having a look whilst you have your tape measure out.Teuton Engineering
Fcty 3/ 4 Len Thomas Pl Narre Warren 3805 (03) 8790 3262

Sorry for the hijack, but which Cummins motor are you talking here? Must be small to fit in a TJ?

5.9
Is a hybrid with a Tj Body on an F250, body widend and stretched.

Good motor. Lots of people in the states yank the Chev V8 Diesels and fit the Cummins.

Currie enterprises, jammed the 8lt V10 into a TJ. Now that would be sweet.

Well finally got the quote back from the dude in Warragul..
$23,000

Since the Auto GU Petrol needs diff gears, larger radiator (manual does not), gearbox internals, different alternator, air cond (cant use GU on the Auto but can on Manual), Serpentine belt setup with different waterpump (Auto only), fully engineered...

This was $5k+ more than I hoped for, and was told by Brunswick which I've emailed them to see what the differences in costings are


So, thats pretty much shelved to the too hard basket.

GU TD42T fit up an Auto, and get turbo tweaked maybe the go for me.

bogged wrote:
GU TD42T fit up an Auto, and get turbo tweaked maybe the go for me.

Bruce why be upset ???? You should have considered this in the first place all along.

Get yourself a TD42 spare shitty motor get it rebuilt ported balanced head work different cam then get your pump done or better yet by a motor from 03 onwards with the bigger pump.

Get a roller bearing turbo
front mount cooler
4" snorkle

you should be able to have about 180RWKW. with under 20 psi of boost....

morkz wrote:Bruce why be upset ???? You should have considered this in the first place all along.

I would like more than most TD42's I have drive, they dont light the world on fire for the price you have to pay. Nissan should be arsefukt.

Get yourself a TD42 spare shitty motor get it rebuilt ported balanced head work different cam then get your pump done or better yet by a motor from 03 onwards with the bigger pump.
Get a roller bearing turbo
front mount cooler
4" snorkle

By the time you do all that, your way more than 1/2 way to a Chev.

$11k for a rebuild TD42T (although I'd try and buy one with under 150,000klms which would not need it) .... since you still need to do a radiator etc
Auto conversion still $5-6k according Rod at Wholesale for good auto, wiring loom, oil coolers etd.

you should be able to have about 180RWKW. with under 20 psi of boost....

Wouldn't want to go more than 14psi, this isnt going to be a comp truck, but a tourer, so economy and reliability are critical.

With the way fuel prices are rising, Its going to be see all of aussie in the next ~12mths, or you will never be able to afford to - EVER again.

What's the decision for you bogged? What are you going to shoe-horn into your rig?

I've got a GU II sitting in the shed at home (i'm currently in the US), and it has a blown 3.0L, so I have a great touring Datsun (and yes I want to keep it a tourer, not comp) in dire need of a heart transplant

I would dearly love to send a Chev home from here to slot in, but am not entirely convinced... What I really want is something a LOT more reliable than the 3.0L

Nissan should be arsefukt.

Couldn't agree more!

I have recieved quotes from Brunswick and Linquip and they're both around the $20k mark (that's for them to do the job, although I would go the DIY kit myself), but either way, I see the 4.2 as possibly the better value for money, even after spending a bit on a rebuild and tweak...

I am a little concerned with wiring - both removal of old (including confuzer) and install of relevant bits for new donk. I have to look into them more, but how much electronics on the chev? The simpler the better (4.2Td comes to mind )[/quote]

manno74 wrote:What's the decision for you bogged? What are you going to shoe-horn into your rig?

Nope.. final quote was $23,000 - not worth it, no matter how you look at it.

Also think of what your truck will be worth in 5 yrs time when Diesel is $1200 a ltr.

Have a look at this months 4wd Monthly and see the specs on the GU Patrol cover story.

they had a story of a supercharged 6.5 chev & said it only produced 400 odd

then the 6.5 chev turbo in the current issue produces 800 odd nm
does any one have the actual proper fugures that are ment to produce

Why exactly do you want to fit the Chev diesel? What do you hope to achieve by running a Chev diesel in a vehicle designed for a smaller engine?

Didn't you say you want a vehicle as a tourer? Would this not mean it is better left as close to factory as possible for ease of repairs etc?

The $$$ involved in doing a chev engine conversion PROPERLY would go a long way into doing some work to a Nissan engine/chassis/drivertain that does not require custom parts, does not require engineering etc etc.