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if u were to left it enough to put 31 under would it handle way better than a leaf or just similar

similar. They ride alot nicer due to the coils, but as with any 4wd, when you lift it you compromise onroad performane. you will get more bodyroll through corners, and it will tend to 'Dive' when on brakes.

Do a virtual lift, 2" coils, and fit some GOOD shocks, ( like koni's) and maybe stick to 30's, and you will have a good balance between onroad performance, and offroad ability.

JMO
Pete

u mention koni's are blinstiens as good or are they dard to get?

Bilsteins are very good also.

Usually you can get both of these shocks from the same place.

If you have a Fulcrum suspension dealer near you, they should be able to help with either brand.

IMHO not really any better than leaf. Thay are newer and there are a whole heap of little changes that made them tighter and quieter, so all up they seem a lot more refined. The steering is a bit better because there is less squish via the shackles etc but all up there's not much in it.

when you add the added complications of the coiler - inadeqate rear roll stiffness, weak bracketry, chain drive transfer poor locker availablility etc, they don't really stack up as a starting point, but I know that others think differently.


Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:IMHO not really any better than leaf. Thay are newer and there are a whole heap of little changes that made them tighter and quieter, so all up they seem a lot more refined. The steering is a bit better because there is less squish via the shackles etc but all up there's not much in it.

when you add the added complications of the coiler - inadeqate rear roll stiffness, weak bracketry, chain drive transfer poor locker availablility etc, they don't really stack up as a starting point, but I know that others think differently.


Steve.

I agree with this totally!! But as a daily driver, and reasy weekender, they are far nicer. If you want to wheel it hard, the the coiler if definately the most expensive way to go.

Gwagensteve wrote:IMHO not really any better than leaf. Thay are newer and there are a whole heap of little changes that made them tighter and quieter, so all up they seem a lot more refined. The steering is a bit better because there is less squish via the shackles etc but all up there's not much in it.

when you add the added complications of the coiler - inadeqate rear roll stiffness, weak bracketry, chain drive transfer poor locker availablility etc, they don't really stack up as a starting point, but I know that others think differently.


Steve.

I am one of those.

Firstly ive ridden in a few leaf sprung zooks and then jumped back into mine. Im so glad i bought a coily, ride is SOOOOO much smoother, giving it better touring ability. Another benefit is the flex you can get out of the coils.

As for locker availabilty - They use the same rear diff as SJ70's however the front diff is different.

The biggest problem running 30's or 31's is your Low range crawling abilty. Forget about crawling unless you want to consider buying a set of rockhoppers.

show us your flexig shots. Coilers wont flex much better then a leaf spring zook without major suspension overhaul. a combination of anti squat, limited front flex, short wheelbase and no rear roll stiffness leads to the front unloading weight on climbs. I was forever trying to get weight forward with mine.

muppet_man67 wrote:show us your flexig shots. Coilers wont flex much better then a leaf spring zook without major suspension overhaul.

2nd this opinion deffinatley. And a coiler is much more unbalances, with the rear flexing heaps more, and lacking roll stiffness. making the car feel unbalanced. I will look for the shots, but i have some photos of my leafy when it was spua with 2 inch BL and RBZOOK's rig wihen it was zook diffs and standard links, just a 3 inch coil lift and 3 inch bodylift.. We are both parked on a towtruck back with one wheel, and there is not really that much in it. Not enough to consider a huge advantage offroad. Neither car in was much more competent (though im sure Ryan will chime in here ). Both had 31MTR's, i had s1 gears, he had s3 gears. Neither car has any massive modifitations. While eventually coils would allow more flex, the amount of modification required to get there takes it way out of cheap easy people. Look at the work that is in Ryans rig now.

Layto....

HotAe92 wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:IMHO not really any better than leaf. Thay are newer and there are a whole heap of little changes that made them tighter and quieter, so all up they seem a lot more refined. The steering is a bit better because there is less squish via the shackles etc but all up there's not much in it.

when you add the added complications of the coiler - inadeqate rear roll stiffness, weak bracketry, chain drive transfer poor locker availablility etc, they don't really stack up as a starting point, but I know that others think differently.


Steve.

I am one of those.

Firstly ive ridden in a few leaf sprung zooks and then jumped back into mine. Im so glad i bought a coily, ride is SOOOOO much smoother, giving it better touring ability. Another benefit is the flex you can get out of the coils.

As for locker availabilty - They use the same rear diff as SJ70's however the front diff is different.

The biggest problem running 30's or 31's is your Low range crawling abilty. Forget about crawling unless you want to consider buying a set of rockhoppers.

My leaf sprung Zuk rode much better than a lifted Coily in our club however it was a nicer drive in his due to better build quality on the cab, not as many squeaks and rattles etc.

As the others have said much easier to get flex out of a leaf sprung Seirra than a coily.

How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

The steering on the coiler fely alot better then on my leaf spring. (this could be to do with wheel offset) The sterring geometry on a coiler is heaps better then on the leaf spring.

If u want your lifted coily to drive like a stocker try these.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Suzuki-SJ80-Jimn ... dZViewItem

$2400 for a set!!!

muppet_man67 wrote:$2400 for a set!!!

They are fronts. The rears are different, and you don't need to correct the castor on the rear, as there is no rear steer

So only $1200

HELL $1200

the prise is too steep. you can get a set of DG arms for 350 euro, almost 1/2 that price


mitch

$1200 for the set, didnt read the post properly, thought we were talkin bout front.

so how much money do you have to throw at a coily to get so good flex

muppet_man67 wrote:show us your flexig shots. Coilers wont flex much better then a leaf spring zook without major suspension overhaul

Im going to do a few flexing shots when i get my front passenger chassis mount re-welded. I dont intend on doing anymore damage until that is fixed. At the moment the rear has a s***load of flex, im really quite pleased with it. But i do think my springs and struts are both really worn, so this could be a contributing factor. The front, like you say, has very little weight, and the car feels unbalanced on SOME angles. I intend on removing the front swaybar when i do some heavy 4x4ing next to see how much more movement i can get out of the front. Only 4 bolts connect the swaybar so its relatively easy to disconnect.

Jayden

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me

uh oh =)

dont worry alien.

i am smelling the $$$$ from here.

Nic

HotAe92 wrote:

muppet_man67 wrote:show us your flexig shots. Coilers wont flex much better then a leaf spring zook without major suspension overhaul

Im going to do a few flexing shots when i get my front passenger chassis mount re-welded. I dont intend on doing anymore damage until that is fixed. At the moment the rear has a s***load of flex, im really quite pleased with it. But i do think my springs and struts are both really worn, so this could be a contributing factor. The front, like you say, has very little weight, and the car feels unbalanced on SOME angles. I intend on removing the front swaybar when i do some heavy 4x4ing next to see how much more movement i can get out of the front. Only 4 bolts connect the swaybar so its relatively easy to disconnect.

Jayden

yes the rears do flex very well. Definatly take the swaybar off it will dramaticly improove the offroad balance of the car. on road handling is sacrificed though. You will get little more flex from the front without repositioning the shock mounts. this will also involve fabricating a new bottom spring perch. you may find that the factory control arms get a bit bendy. so these may also have to be replaced with stronger units or strenghthened somehow.

HRZOOK might chime in here, he had a set of custom made twister style arms under his coily (prob still does, but planing on lux's i guessing they not staying). THere were some photo's round , but might be gone now. Search on the trasfer swap, if you can do it yourself its going to save a heap of money for ya.

Layto....

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

grimbo wrote:

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

its the only way to get a reduction. otherwise you fit a jimny case with reduction gears.

muppet_man67 wrote:

grimbo wrote:

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

its the only way to get a reduction. otherwise you fit a jimny case with reduction gears.

yes I know I was just pointing out that the coily stuff isn't suitable for rockhoppers gears as originally stated

grimbo wrote:

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

Grimbo is right Coilies suck ass... burn it and buy a 20 yo leafy........NOT

HRZOOK wrote:

grimbo wrote:

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

Grimbo is right Coilies suck ass... burn it and buy a 20 yo leafy........NOT

never said that. I was pointing out that:

1. Coilys do not necessarily ride better than leaf sprung vehicles

2. That you couldn't just put a set of rockhoppers in and fix the gearing issue as was stated by HotAe92

3. Coilys aren't the best because they are newer or because they are coil sprung. As any vehicle is there are compromises

grimbo wrote:

HRZOOK wrote:

grimbo wrote:

HotAe92 wrote:

grimbo wrote:How do you propose fitting your rockhoppers to a chain driven t/case? To fit rockhoppers you need to fit a t/case form a gear driven (leaf sprung) Sierra

I intend on fitting a gear driven case, then the rockhoppers. Russell at O/L in Balcatta assures me that it can be done.

right so the coily stuff needs to be removed and replaced with stuff from a leaf sprung

Grimbo is right Coilies suck ass... burn it and buy a 20 yo leafy........NOT

never said that. I was pointing out that:

1. Coilys do not necessarily ride better than leaf sprung vehicles

2. That you couldn't just put a set of rockhoppers in and fix the gearing issue as was stated by HotAe92

3. Coilys aren't the best because they are newer or because they are coil sprung. As any vehicle is there are compromises

That is more constructive and informative

Coilies can be easily beefed up for a semi core vehicle

1. I disagree
3. I agree

Wow so much energy into bagging something you havent got!
Yes I am a coily owner, and Yes i accept the limitations of said vehicle BUT if i was to buy any other brand swb 4by i would have spent 3 times as much for something that sinks in the 1st bit of mud it sees!!!!
Be constructive,

and alsways remember the wise words of confussions.......
........." reaf sprung sierras are just rike critorus.....evryy crunt got one..."

GO ZOOK