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whats the best set up for werock spotters rope?

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whats the best set up for werock spotters rope?

Post by viperguy »

hey just trying to figure the best form of spotters rope for werock comp. at bathurst round used a standard ski rope with handle but the rope is shit and the attatchment system wasnt that crash. what are other guys using and where do u get it from? thinking bout visiting a climbing store/place and getting something rigged up.. oppinions?
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Post by RUFF »

viperguy wrote:hey just trying to figure the best form of spotters rope for werock comp. at bathurst round used a standard ski rope with handle but the rope is shit and the attatchment system wasnt that crash. what are other guys using and where do u get it from? thinking bout visiting a climbing store/place and getting something rigged up.. oppinions?
Climbing store is the best place but its not cheap. I would not use a Ski rope again after using absailing rope. I have seen too many Ski ropes fail.

The Strap we used last year for a little still had a ski handle on the end of it as they are comfortable to grip onto.
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Post by DamTriton »

Another option is Mainsheet rope used in yachts, anything from 10-25mm dia available. Resistant to chaffing and water, chuck it in the washing machine at the end of the weekend.
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Post by N*A*M »

don't use big w $4 nylon rope. it stretches hardcore and flicks like a giant rubber band. i'll need to find some better rope but i'm retaining my 7/8" aluminium tube handle.
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Post by viperguy »

and what have u guy sfound to best methods of attachment to buggys? pics of set ups would be awsum cheers
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Post by turps »

viperguy wrote:and what have u guy sfound to best methods of attachment to buggys? pics of set ups would be awsum cheers
Is it possible to weld small tabs onto the frame and just use a carabina (picked up from the camping store - even come in alloy) about $20-25 I think.
Or you could just put the rope around the frame and just use a carabina back on to the rope. Either of these would be quick and easy.
As for the rope. Static climbing rope is about $5m. But light washable and strong.
Could also use someones old synthetic winch rope.
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Post by N*A*M »

my attachment method...

i have a few loops along the line for setting different rope lengths. the rope end goes around the cage and clips back on to the required loop. practice good knot work and the rope strength shouldn't be too compromised. it was strong enough to withstand carlton and guts trying to move the buggy with it.
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Post by bru21 »

wake boarding rope is tops, just put a sheath over it. its about $100 for 70ft and has a 3000lb breaking strain. its similar to plasma. my old rope had a protective sheath over it like pvc over groups of fibres

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Post by +dj_hansen+ »

If you are going to use a Karabina, dont just buy a $5 cheapy from Bunnings, they are not rated. A good quality one (max $20 from somewhere like snowgum, anaconda etc) are rated (in kN) are more suited to this type of application.

Static climbing rope is another option, but will suffer badly from rock rash and dirt ingress. Why not use (i know, its expensive by can serve 2 purposes) synthetic winch rope, which can also be used as a tow rope for recovery?

If you are going to use loops like NAM does, get someone to teach you a figure 8 loop as this IIRC reduces the strength of your rope the least.
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Post by Roctoy »

it is in the rules that it is recommended you use superstatic climbing rope, we use 9mm with a knot at 15' mark and 2 hand loops at the end 20' long total.

you can't connect directly to the vehicle with a carrabeener, because thay can be side loaded and break, or roll out and come undone. You need a small sling or another small length of rope to clip the carrabeener to.

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Post by MR04WD »

When I'm not wheeling I'm abseiling & rockclimbing.The ropes I use are VERY 'elastic',to make a gentle & soft fall if you were to slip & catch yourself.Also the rope is F@#KING EXPENSIVE,prob not what you wan't to be throwing into the back of your rig as if it were a snatch strap or just rope,these ropes won't last long in those conditions unless you want to go out & buy the 'rope maintainance accessories' such as cleaners & conditioners or have them 'serviced'.
As for Caribeeners,go to a local safety & protection outlet or a climbers shop if there is one near you & check out things such as 'tripple-lock caribeeners',you will be hard pressed getting one of these open by accident..........come to think of it,they have some pretty good SH!T there that would come in handy in comps,just check it ALL out!
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Post by turps »

MR04WD wrote: As for Caribeeners,go to a local safety & protection outlet or a climbers shop if there is one near you & check out things such as 'tripple-lock caribeeners',you will be hard pressed getting one of these open by accident..........come to think of it,they have some pretty good SH!T there that would come in handy in comps,just check it ALL out!
I dont think there is any need for a locking caribeena. Just a camlock basic one would do. As then its a quick and easy to move around the cage. As its not like it is likely to take a falling force that is going to kill. How much force can a person put on the rope even taking into account the spotter wrapping it around a tree or something.
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Post by Shorty40 »

Can I ask why people think you need rope with such a high breaking point ?

You don't need rope that will support the car. You only need rope strong enough for what a spotter can pull.

How many spotters here could lift 200kgs (440lbs) let alone the 3000lbs that was mentioned earlier.

Remember in the early days, people were using snatch straps and winch extension straps (8000kgs+) Then we realised that was overkill. Now we seem to be heading back up there.

Im not having a go at any teams etc, Im just curious.
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Post by viperguy »

pate and tazz seemed to have a good set up from what i noticed at the bathurst round of werock. can anyone share more light on there attachment system,ropes and fittings? after using a normal ski rope for the first round i found that the rope was shit quality but the handle was ok.. fairly comfortable to hang onto. we used a d shackle that we looped rope through to attach to buggy frame but it was a bit slow and cumbersome with the gloves on.
oh and i entirely agree shorty40.. the rope only needs to be as strong as the guy pulling. but the feel and usability of the quality climbing rope is what makes it good to use. that nylon ski rope is crap
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Post by spazbot »

MR04WD wrote:When I'm not wheeling I'm abseiling & rockclimbing.The ropes I use are VERY 'elastic',to make a gentle & soft fall if you were to slip & catch yourself.Also the rope is F@#KING EXPENSIVE,prob not what you wan't to be throwing into the back of your rig as if it were a snatch strap or just rope,these ropes won't last long in those conditions unless you want to go out & buy the 'rope maintainance accessories' such as cleaners & conditioners or have them 'serviced'.
As for Caribeeners,go to a local safety & protection outlet or a climbers shop if there is one near you & check out things such as 'tripple-lock caribeeners',you will be hard pressed getting one of these open by accident..........come to think of it,they have some pretty good SH!T there that would come in handy in comps,just check it ALL out!
Surely there would be someone in Sydney that would stock this gear,but if you want to speek to someone who LITERALLY knows ropes try this guy.....
Gordon Hedges (02) 43533166
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Climbing rope aint that expensive, a simple 10m length with a few alpine butterflys to clip back into and a screw gate krab would suit a spotters line fine, 8mm static cord costs around $3 -$5 /m and a krab will cost anywhere between $12 and $30, then use a bit of alloy pipe or the like to make a handle, could easly make the whole thing for $60
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Post by 1MadEngineer »

i have tried and broken just about all types of ropes. ATM we use the strapping off an old 1 1/2" wide tie down with a handle and clip. It works awesome, light strong and very abrasion resistant, also less prone to getting knots or tangles in it.
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Post by HRZOOK »

In my arborist days I found the best place to buy rope was a boating store. They don't mark up the rope as much as a climbing store.

The rope you want is made of kernmantle and is the fibre used in most climbing ropes. It is easy on the hands, light and bloody strong. To identify the rope it usually is dominately white with a colour tracer or fleck. I'd say 6-8mm static rope would be perfect. Dynamic climbing rope would probably be to stretchy.

Sailing shops also sell quick snap carabiners for fast attach and release.

If you can find a few mates to go in a 100m roll is cheaper than buying in lengths.

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Post by Roctoy »

viperguy wrote:pate and tazz seemed to have a good set up from what i noticed at the bathurst round of werock. can anyone share more light on there attachment system,ropes and fittings? after using a normal ski rope for the first round i found that the rope was shit quality but the handle was ok.. fairly comfortable to hang onto. we used a d shackle that we looped rope through to attach to buggy frame but it was a bit slow and cumbersome with the gloves on.
oh and i entirely agree shorty40.. the rope only needs to be as strong as the guy pulling. but the feel and usability of the quality climbing rope is what makes it good to use. that nylon ski rope is crap
have you watched the we rock dvd from the finals where Tazz snaps the spotters rope and does a backwards sommersalt down a cliff????? :shock:
MR04WD wrote:When I'm not wheeling I'm abseiling & rockclimbing.The ropes I use are VERY 'elastic',to make a gentle & soft fall if you were to slip & catch yourself.Also the rope is F@#KING EXPENSIVE,prob not what you wan't to be throwing into the back of your rig as if it were a snatch strap or just rope,these ropes won't last long in those conditions unless you want to go out & buy the 'rope maintainance accessories' such as cleaners & conditioners or have them 'serviced'.
As for Caribeeners,go to a local safety & protection outlet or a climbers shop if there is one near you & check out things such as 'tripple-lock caribeeners',you will be hard pressed getting one of these open by accident..........come to think of it,they have some pretty good SH!T there that would come in handy in comps,just check it ALL out!
Surely there would be someone in Sydney that would stock this gear,but if you want to speek to someone who LITERALLY knows ropes try this guy.....
Gordon Hedges (02) 43533166
Safety & Fall Prevention Australia-Central Coast.
www.sfpa.com.au


my whole setup cost under $50 from Annaconda. I don't see this as expensive, although it is static rope, not dynamic climbing rope.

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