Outer Limits 4x4 Board

is there anyone out there who has been brave enough to use one of these types of turfers?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HAND-WINCH-POWER ... dZViewItem

4 ton ?

I reckon that would struggle to pull the skin off a custard

my thoughts exactly a mate just brought one now im scared to go out with him incase he decides to use it

He can use it to pull the esky from the back of his car.

if it has been rated to 4 tonne by Australian Standards it will do it... In fact they normally build these things to a factor of safety of about 6.... this means that it would actually load up to 24 tonnes before breaking.

I reckon you are only scared that he might ask you to work it because he got tired.. and the sun is going down... you are still 15 km from your campsite etc..


Fact is: it is better than no winch and it would get you out of trouble when the chips are down etc.

ummm lets see
they only pull about 1m before having to be resetup again
there DAMN hard work

i used one ocnnected to my rear reovery point and winched a mate forward on grass out the front of my house just to test if it would work

it worked on flat ground but was hard going
id hate to have to use one on a hill or something

i have used one simmilar to lift air-cons into rooves, no way would i use that to try and recover a vehicle.........

well i got it for $15 so im not complaining

hando wrote:if it has been rated to 4 tonne by Australian Standards it will do it...

you havent seen the recalls on the Supercheap site have you? on Hilifts, Trolley Jacks, bottle jacks etc etc..

did i mention it was a 60 series wagon with v8 350_60series has a death wish

I used a similar thing about 25 years ago to pull a 40 out of ruts a few times, it worked but it bent the frame and handle so it was almost a 1 time use .
J Top

I would question it's ability to pull 4 ton in any direction....... single line pull on those things is usually 750kg..... double pull is usually rated at 1 tonne..... i have used them to pull motors out (double line pull) and it's hard work... did it though!! Would take a week to recover a vehicle with it.

I been using similar pullers as winches for years. But this was in Mokes and Suzukis. Think they would be very hard work on a large truck.
I also use it to pull motors out, etc.
1st one lasted 15 years, 2nd about 10 years.

christover

hando wrote:if it has been rated to 4 tonne by Australian Standards it will do it... In fact they normally build these things to a factor of safety of about 6.... this means that it would actually load up to 24 tonnes before breaking.
I reckon you are only scared that he might ask you to work it because he got tired.. and the sun is going down... you are still 15 km from your campsite etc..


Fact is: it is better than no winch and it would get you out of trouble when the chips are down etc.

ABSOLUTE CRAP!!!
It has a breaking strength of no better than 4t and is designed to conform with AS.
The only time you can accurately and safely assume a safety factor of x6 is if the number is preceded by either WLL or SWL, as this is an industry standard not an AS.
eg. a 12000lb (5.45t) winch strap used on site would only good for 2000lb = 907kg (0.9t). A rated shackle in good conditionwith SWL 3.25t, or WLL 3.25t is good for 3.25t max in industry use, however has a breaking strength of around 19.5t (42970lb).
So next time your mate pulls out a 2.0t rated shackle for a winch recovery, don't laugh it's good for 26455lb (which is a lot more than your 9500lb winch), or a 1.1t shackle (14550lb)


As far as using those little crap winches goes, i have and they work. Not real quick or effective but better than nothing.
They have little reduction gearing and short handles(no leverage) so you have to pull like buggery. They'll only pull about 1m too so its stop-start a lot. And the small 6mm cable binds up a lot and is a bugger to release.
But if it, time and persistence is all you've got then your laughing!!


BTW Tirfor is a brand name, like esky, for hand-winches

4t?
i got one of those for my trail bike.
had to use it a few years back when i slid down a hill in the mud.
took me about a hour to drag the bike 4meters.
useles piece of shyte

I have one of these that I use in my shed - things like pulling axles into place etc.....
There is NO way on this green blue earth that it would pull 4 ton....unless the 4 ton was sitting on a big set of wheels and the ground was dead flat (& firm).

Better than absolutely nothing - yeah - but it's still a bullshyte claim....

I used to use one weekly on a dairy farm - used to pull calves when they're stuck inside their mum

When i first started 4wding I bought one and ended up using it at the bottom of a hill. It barely moved the vehicle, but after 3 hours got me a couple of metres.

Their biggest problem is that once you pull a bit, they lock up and you can't release them.

Thats not even close to being a tirfer (spelling?)

This is what the real ones look like

hando wrote:if it has been rated to 4 tonne by Australian Standards it will do it... In fact they normally build these things to a factor of safety of about 6.... this means that it would actually load up to 24 tonnes before breaking.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA ..........24T,thats 2 of the Freightliner prime-movers I drive at work.Oh did I

I've used one similar from Bushranger, but it's rated at 1500kg dead weight. I've used it to pull the 60 from a swamp. You got quite a workout from it, but seemed quite safe. I would think if it was too much for it, the steel rope would have slipped in those bolts you use to make a loop on the end (that steel line was seperate to the actual winch)


The biggest drawback is the limited line on it. you have to reset it every meter or so. best to carry some chain and rope for extensions. the chain makes it easier to reset cause you can just move it up the links.

I think a hilift would be just as good, and would have more travel

MudRhino wrote:
Their biggest problem is that once you pull a bit, they lock up and you can't release them.

I could with mine. you have to take some of the weight of the ratchet by using the lever, and then lifting the pin that locks in the wheel. losen it up by using your body to let the handle fall back, and then lock it into the ratched near the end of the lever's stroke.

bad explanation, but it can be done.

only time id see it being used is if ya happen to be in a dangerous situation and need it to steady the 4wd to stop it from rolling over or sliding away