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What's Faster - 80 Series Turbo Diesel Vs GQ Turbo Diesel

Cheers
Shane

Why? What model 8o series? Standard or modded? Factory or after market turbo?

what size tyres, how old is the engine, what mods, what weight, over what distance, etc etc Way too many variables

1990 factory Turbo Diesel Cruiser (Auto) no mods Vs GQ Turbo.

Why? Just Curious.

Variables. Well at which instances is the Patrol faster and same for 80 series

THE GQ , AND LESS ENGINE PROBLEMS TOO

What about 4.2TD GU verse 4.5GU?

I know the 4.8 would flogg it but what about the 4.5?

For the nazis, Imagine stock and brand fresh.

You asked in the Nissan section. What answer do you think you will get ?

So far Nissans are faster in the Nissan section and Toyota is faster in the Toyota section. So far I believe the Toyota section because an example was given.

Any real life examples all things being equal.

I SELL 1 TD42 TO EVERY 10, 1HZ OR 1HDT. IS THAT AN EXAMPLE.
TOYOTAS DESTROY EVERY THING........
FRONT DIFFS
CVS
REAR AXLES/STUDS
CONSTANT 4X4 TRANSFER
GEARBOXES
STEERING BOXES
ENGINES

I NEVER SEE A PATROL DO ANY OF THESE

listen to all the excuses you get from nissan drivers

They know that a cruiser destroys them

I'm a Nissan guy, but have driven a mates 80 and the thing moves!!! Deffinatly seemed quicker and gruntier than the family GQ. (both were 4.2 turbo diesels)

I SELL 1 TD42 TO EVERY 10, 1HZ OR 1HDT. IS THAT AN EXAMPLE.

Given this analogy the Ferrari is slower than the Commodore because we sell many more of them.

By example I mean have you driven beside your mates and both planted the foot.

Lotsa fast GQs here; OBC results
1 6 Rohan Canavan Wayne Smith GQ Tray 1968
2 7 Cass Jones Kevvy Nott GU Patrol Ute 1939
3 11 Neil Cooper Chris Hummer Hilux 1654
4 2 Kym Bolton Robert Marks GU Patrol 1641
5 37 Darren Green Steve Hudson Patrol 1601
6 8 Lawrie Sternbeck Sean Calcino Hilux Dualcab 1542
7 48 Adrian Cauchi Shane Thompson Rangie Ute 1498
8 4 Stephen Booth Steven Tjepkema GU Patrol Ute 1446
9 59 Todd Robards Ivan Vella Patrol 1394
10 14 Alan Cuthill Paul Carolan GQ Patrol 1392
11 57 Ian Paltridge Roger Humphries Patrol Ute 1373
12 10 Terence Reinders Marco Stanich Hilux 1341
13 42 Roger McKay Grant Guy GU Patrol 1315
14 13 Andy Miller Robbie Calvert GQ Patrol 1298
15 52 Greg Jackson Brent Griffin GQ Patrol 1253
16 64 Ashley Worth Adrian Parker Patrol 1246
17 12 Phil Swindale Craig Hartin GQ Patrol 1229
18 16 Todd Joyce Verena Joyce Toyota FJ40 1179
19 29 Greg Scanlon Mark Johnson GQ Patrol 1131
20 32 Max Baerlocher Cosmo Jeep 1093
21 58 Alberto Pamintuan Justin West GU Patrol 1071
22 18 Alan Mai Warren Cleland GQ Patrol 1069
23 38 Bruce Borchardt Ken Peard Rangie 1054
24 9 Mani Kafantris Kevin Tapp Ford Maverick 1047
25 30 Jason Oswald Steph Andreata Patrol 1044
26 23 Nick Mannell Shane Eslick GU Patrol 969
27 51 Stuart Gruchy Andrew Bellamy Toyota BJ73 926
28 31 Henry Lefever Steve Schafer GQ Patrol 889
29 49 Graeme Filer Jeff Winter Rangie 818
30 36 Sandy Bowman Alison Grant Patrol 818
31 55 Simmo Tony Bright GQ Patrol 790
32 65 Brian Pethybridge Kieth Seeber 80 Series 753
33 28 Barry Packer Sue Packer Toyota FJ40 751
34 56 Peter Mihailoff Warren Shipp GQ Patrol 719
35 34 Celia Barry Eugene Barry GQ Ute 710
36 41 Peter Von Pein Jane Von Pein GQ Patrol 708
37 54 Heath Lawson Brett Morgan GQ Patrol 682
38 43 Sam Baddeley Mike Porter Landcruiser 599
39 19 Alan Moysey Adam Kenny Rangie 596
40 5 Jeff Redman Jason Forrsman GQ Patrol 596
41 20 Kris Umhauer Mick Magher GQ Patrol 499
42 35 Alan McMullen Ashleigh McCraw Jeep 460
43 60 Paul Semmens David Cordell Patrol 416
44 33 Steven Waterford Chris Newman Patrol 359
45 50 Paul Gambell Shane Barlow Landcruiser 358
46 15 Roger Smith Steve Hobbs Rangie 331
47 26 Laurie Griffiths Gary Osborne Bushrangie 142
48 44 Norman Hall Keith Kreuter Disco 120
49 1 Norm Walters Jason Davis GQ Patrol 93
50 63 Bill Tsaousis Wally Shorney Patrol 44
47 51 Brett Burns Jaye Simmons Suzuki 0
45 52 John Michaels Jason Michaels Disco 0

No excuse there sniper

blackmav wrote:
18 16 Todd Joyce Verena Joyce Toyota FJ40 1179
27 51 Stuart Gruchy Andrew Bellamy Toyota BJ73 926
32 65 Brian Pethybridge Kieth Seeber 80 Series 753
33 28 Barry Packer Sue Packer Toyota FJ40 751
38 43 Sam Baddeley Mike Porter Landcruiser 599
45 50 Paul Gambell Shane Barlow Landcruiser 358

No excuse there sniper

go the cruisers

never said pootrols dont have good drive lines, but they just lack the speed

Blackmav I'm not talking about boys playing in the dirt in their modified toys. I am talking about on the road.

It is pretty clear that Nissans have stronger diffs, and manual gear boxes and chassis than the Cruiser and it is cheaper because more people prefer to buy the Cruiser because it is faster and more comfortable to drive and better on fuel.

Because Patrols are cheaper more 4wders buy the GQ so they can play in the dirt and are more likely to do better in the OBC.

The Cruiser holds the record by far for the motor to last the longest compared to the Patrol.

Only really been in one and driven 80s, was fairly recent model so it would have had the 1hdt? in it. Definatly put you back in the seat, but have also been in a number of quick gq's as well since then.
Mine has run up to 14psi non intercooled on 35s, goes well enough and obviously would go better with 31s.

how many nissans in top 10 in obc had nissan motors in ?

ok
i have owned two 80 series turbos one was multi valve , and two nissan gu ,one 3lt turbo( it was shit) and one gu 4.2 turbo, having done over 1000,000km over the 4 cars. I am now a nissan man in the 4.2 but have to say the 80 series turbo is quicker. and yes they were all factory units and running 285/75/16 bfg.

Pity you cant get the 100 in a solid front end but thats another story.

stacky

Thanks everyone that participated it seems conclusive now that the Cruiser turbo diesel is faster than the Patrol Turbo Diesel.

Cheers
Shane

Isn't the patrol engine alot older engine or are they same age

Ok since we are talking on road.
From what I have seen and heard the Motor in the 80series is pretty good. Much more hi-tech than the patrol.
I think the 80series would be faster on road. Even looking at the stats on paper it is easy to see. It produces good KW and Nm's compared to what Nissan offers. And still does to this day.
The Nissan motors are either small and over stressed or just old tech heavy POS.
Its the same with the factory NA motors. The Toy goes faster (if you can call slow POS fast). Oh and My dads NA 80series was only a touch slower than my SWB GQ, and the shorty was a couple of kilos lighter.
Only thing I dont like about the 80series for general dutys is they feel vague to drive. Not as direct as the GQ. And not a fan of the driving position.
Now as for aftermarket turbos for nissans yes they can be made to go fast. Drove a mates GU ute during the OBC and it went very well.

Hope thats a better answer than some of the other crap.

stack wrote:ok
i have owned two 80 series turbos one was multi valve , and two nissan gu ,one 3lt turbo( it was shit) and one gu 4.2 turbo, having done over 1000,000km over the 4 cars. I am now a nissan man in the 4.2 but have to say the 80 series turbo is quicker. and yes they were all factory units and running 285/75/16 bfg.

Pity you cant get the 100 in a solid front end but thats another story.

stacky

**** YOU CAN BUY A 100 IN A SOLID FRONT, I JUST SOLD A TURBO DIESEL AUTO ONE , BIG LIFT , 35S

i've only seen 2 modded 1HZ turbo'd they are pretty quick but they are
running over 20psi boost ...

Neither are race cars, and both are restricted by the fact that in most cases 100 km/h is the top speed so really who cares. If you want a go fast car then get a car

grimbo wrote:Neither are race cars, and both are restricted by the fact that in most cases 100 km/h is the top speed so really who cares. If you want a go fast car then get a car

im quite sure the majority of people on this board with 80s and GQs do race their cars

standard 80 series turbo diesel versus standard gq 4.2 turbo diesel its like the tortoise and hare, the 80 pulls like a train and would eat any standard gq but the gq is a lot more reliable its horses for courses i suppose but 80's go lots better

C/C Cruiser wrote:how many nissans in top 10 in obc had nissan motors in ?

Good point. Any answers?

Be a few non Toyota powered Toyota's too...

grazza wrote:

C/C Cruiser wrote:how many nissans in top 10 in obc had nissan motors in ?

Good point. Any answers?

Be a few non Toyota powered Toyota's too...

Ok looking at the list above with the limited knowledge I have of the cars. Out of that list the cars I know that are running factory motors are.
team 2 Kym Bolton - TD42 with mods
8 Chunks TD42
13 Miller TD42
29 Scanlon TB42
32 Cosmo std jeep
58 Alberto
18 Alan Mai not really std as it is runnin a TB45 in a GQ
30 Ossie TD42
31 Henry TB42
36 Bowman Not reall std as running TB48, but would have to be the most stock out of all the factoy motors (except running carby no EFI - this was never offered by Nissan).
65 Pethybridge 80series 4.5petrol
56 GQHOON tb42
5 redman TB42

But out that list only 2 are relatively std. Thats the Jeep and Sandys. The rest or all tinkered with big turbos and very impresive HP.

grazza wrote:

C/C Cruiser wrote:how many nissans in top 10 in obc had nissan motors in ?

Good point. Any answers?

Be a few non Toyota powered Toyota's too...

By no means a definative list...
OBC results
PATROLS
4 2 Kym Bolton Robert Marks GU Patrol TD42
5 37 Darren Green Steve Hudson Patrol TB45?
7 48 Adrian Cauchi Shane Thompson Rangie Ute (go the Nissan!, couldn’t resist)
8 4 Stephen Booth Steven Tjepkema GU Patrol Ute TD42
10 14 Alan Cuthill Paul Carolan GQ Patrol TD42
11 57 Ian Paltridge Roger Humphries Patrol Ute TD42
13 42 Roger McKay Grant Guy GU Patrol TD42
14 13 Andy Miller Robbie Calvert GQ Patrol TD42
19 29 Greg Scanlon Mark Johnson GQ Patrol TD42?
21 58 Alberto Pamintuan Justin West GU Patrol TB45
22 18 Alan Mai Warren Cleland GQ Patrol TB45
25 30 Jason Oswald Steph Andreata Patrol TD42
26 23 Nick Mannell Shane Eslick GQ Patrol TB42
28 31 Henry Lefever Steve Schafer GQ Patrol TB42
30 36 Sandy Bowman Alison Grant Patrol TB48
34 56 Peter Mihailoff Warren Shipp GQ Patrol TB42?
35 34 Celia Barry Eugene Barry GQ Ute TB421
36 41 Peter Von Pein Jane Von Pein GQ Patrol TD42
37 54 Heath Lawson Brett Morgan GQ Patrol TD42
40 5 Jeff Redman Jason Forrsman GQ Patrol TB45?
41 20 Kris Umhauer Mick Magher GQ Patrol TD42
44 33 Steven Waterford Chris Newman Patrol TD42


CRUISERS
18 16 Todd Joyce Verena Joyce Toyota FJ40 EB falcon 4.0lt
27 51 Stuart Gruchy Andrew Bellamy Toyota BJ73 ???
32 65 Brian Pethybridge Kieth Seeber 80 Series ???
33 28 Barry Packer Sue Packer Toyota FJ40 350 Chev
38 43 Sam Baddeley Mike Porter Landcruiser 1HZ?
45 50 Paul Gambell Shane Barlow Landcruiser ???

Jason

the OBC I thought wasn't entirely about speed but more about reliability, team work, a bit of luck, nvigating skills and driver ability.

Who's fastest doesn't translate into who's best in nearly every case unless you were planning on street racing them I'd imagine