Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I know how good Patrols are in the bush and I know the 80 series is good also.

If similar mods are made to an 80 series and a GQ and they both have lockers (So no limited slip diffs) will the GQ be able to go further on the trails in comparison to the 80 series. Lets say they both have 3 inch lifts and same 33 inch tyres.

Just Curious
Shane

This will cause a shit fight in the nissan section.

TOYOTA OF COARSE

only driven a 1 GQ and it went well, my 80 has soooo much torque i love it. I think this will mainly go down to the driver and how skilled he is.

The nissans have a bit stronger driveline though, but being locked would just about even the field in that department.

I would guess the GQ would have more chance of being able to turn the front wheels with the front locker engaged, with less chance of breaking the front diff.

Otherwise, this will be an interesting thread!

80 series would have more diff clearence but maybe a bit top heavy.
33 inch tyres should not be too big to wreck the driveline??

It depends on how hard you intend to drive it. I've got an 80 series and I love it and it does everything that I ask of it (it is more capable than I am) but if I wanted to go harder core I would probably get a GQ. They are not as refined as an 80 series but are probably stronger in the drive train. Mine is my everyday transport so I wanted a bit of comfort and refinement.

Emo wrote: but if I wanted to go harder core I would probably get a GQ.

John, can I quote you elsewhere on that?

Do not get me wrong I think Cruisers RULE....

But it like the old saying it is not what you got but how you use it!!!

I think the biggest factor in a vehicle capability is the driver. Each vehicle has its own pecurarities (however you spell it) and the driver must be able to use these either to his advantage or not let it hold him/her up.

My suggestion to everone is that it is not how hard you drive it but how smart you drive it. Drive anything hard and it will break somewhere.... sometime.... and cost you $$$$$$$$$$$

My 2 cents worth....

I would prolly say the 80..

The front ends seems to work a bit better (suspension wise), more diff clearance and more power, the only down side would be the fact the 80 is a little more top heavy...

The early model 80 series sucks, they're more prone to breaking stuff no matter how you drive it

What in the early model 80 series is prone to breaking???
I am getting an auto turbo diesel 1990model (Besides bottom end bearings)

well i just recently did big damage in my 1990 80 series



















ran up the arse of a ford focus at 5km/h and write it off(focus that is), and scratched my bullbar

Maybe I'm lucky, I bought my 91 td gxl in 99 and have not broken a thing... (touch wood)

The early model 80 series sucks, they're more prone to breaking stuff no matter how you drive it

That's crap MC. I've had my 90 model 80 for 8 yrs and haven't broken a thing. I haven't been soft with it and have driven over terrain that 100 series and GU patrols have broken CV's, diffs and trailing arms on.

The early 80 is no more prone to breakage than any other 80. Driver skill is another story though.

The 80 series built after 93 were much stronger than the earlier models, I've had nothing but trouble with mine, front diffs, gearboxes. Didn't even have to drive it hard.

One gearbox rebuild was driven on the road for 3 months then shit itself wasn't real impressed.

4wd stuff, i hope your 80 has low kms on it

Claws wrote:

The early model 80 series sucks, they're more prone to breaking stuff no matter how you drive it

That's crap MC. I've had my 90 model 80 for 8 yrs and haven't broken a thing. I haven't been soft with it and have driven over terrain that 100 series and GU patrols have broken CV's, diffs and trailing arms on.

The early 80 is no more prone to breakage than any other 80. Driver skill i
s another story though.

Driven over terrain in an 80 that has broken GU cv's. Have you ever seen a GU cv side by side to an 80's. Your'e dreaming

I know the early model 80 series CV's are not as strong as the later model 80 series CV's. How weak are the early ones, should I be worried about them with high traction 33 inch tyres?

Just about any cv in any vehicle is bustable. If your'e running big suspension, big power, big tyres, lockers, possibly low gearing and you actually drive the thing reaching somewhere near its physical limits then I don't know of any Toyota cv that is going to outsurvive a GU cv

One gearbox rebuild was driven on the road for 3 months then shit itself wasn't real impressed.

I am getting an auto and I am told the autos are buch better then the manual.

Guys, this shit fight could go on forever, at the end of the day, its driver capabilities. Yes, 80 series are probably more top heavy, but is that because the majority of 80s with a 4 inch lift is all suspension, and on a GQ it would be suspension and body? And yes, I have no doubt in my mind that a GQ has stronger driveline, but at the end of the day, I drive my 80 everywhere I want to go and some places I know I probably shouldnt. Mine has a 5 inch lift, locked etc, but I reckon more people will respond saying GQ as there is simply more out there as they are heaps cheaper buy and repair.
There are pros and cons of every make on the market.

Just my 2c...

The 80 series built after 93 were much stronger than the earlier models, I've had nothing but trouble with mine, front diffs, gearboxes. Didn't even have to drive it hard.

One gearbox rebuild was driven on the road for 3 months then shit itself wasn't real impressed.

4wd stuff, i hope your 80 has low kms on it

Again, Crap. The diffs are the same right through the years and into the 100 series. Only difference is a ratio change in the 100's. The 3F and 3FE used the H150 gearbox. The 1HZ used the H150 gearbox from 1990 to 1998.
If your rebuilt g/box only lasted 3 mths than I would be blaming your re-builder, not the box itself.

Driven over terrain in an 80 that has broken GU cv's. Have you ever seen a GU cv side by side to an 80's. Your'e dreaming

Generalised statement....The 100's broke cv's and a diff. The GU snapped a trailing arm completely in half.

I know the early model 80 series CV's are not as strong as the later model 80 series CV's. How weak are the early ones, should I be worried about them with high traction 33 inch tyres?

Say's who????? I run 33" Baja Claws and am yet to bust a CV. I also don't have lockers though. On our last trip the 60 series Sahara and 100 series GXL both busted CV's on tracks I had no problems on.

The only things the later 80's have over the earlier ones is braking ability and a better petrol engine.

They have different CV's

Agree with what Jeff80 said

One thing that has got me hung up a few times is the lower rear trailing arm mount. The 80 series bracket for it is below the chassis where as the patrol is up along side it. Some with the front radius arms(patrol a bit better tucked up), but I've never had a drama with the front. Toughness aside thats the only thing I could pick between the 2

Claws wrote:...Again, Crap. The diffs are the same right through the years and into the 100 series. Only difference is a ratio change in the 100's...

Crap

Many more differences than ratio change between 80 and 100 series diffs.

I haven't broken anything major, just trim mainly. I hate the fibreglass flares and moulded mudflaps though. I reckon that they'll come off permanently in the near future though.

4WD Stuff wrote:What in the early model 80 series is prone to breaking???
I am getting an auto turbo diesel 1990model (Besides bottom end bearings)

80 series are great, but the pre 93 models were underbraked and underpowered (petrol)

If they're in your price range, have a look at a later model TD cruiser. Much better. The autos are also very heavy and expensive to repair, why not a manual ?

But back to the original point, yep, definitley comes down to driver skill.

jeff80,
your quote "welcome to Jooga country" I've only ever heard this used around Croydon in NQLD

Bush 65 wrote:

Crap

Many more differences than ratio change between 80 and 100 series diffs.

Please enlighten me of the many differences.....I am talking front diff not rear.

GXL 100 series Auto V8 and the turbo diesel models have the same diff ratio as 80 series.
Early FJ80 series CV's are also used in the FZJ105,FZJ79,FZJ80,HDJ80,HZJ105,HZJ78,HZJ79 SERIES.
Mid 94 on 80's used a CV with a longer spline. Theses will fit earlier models if you change the hub cap to the later series caps. Transfercase is the same in all equivelent 80 and 100 series cruisers. The H151 gearbox used in turbo diesel and 4.5 petrol 80's is also used in the turbo diesel and V8 petrol 100 series.

So far, all the busted 80 and 100 series cruiser CV's I have pulled out have had a cage failure and were mostly caused by powering on full lock, especially if front lockers are fitted and on at the time.

Driver skill (or lack of) has a lot to do with breakages in normal 4wd activities.

I am going to do the part time conversion when I get my 1990 model turbo diesel 80 series. Would this enable me to fit the later model cv's. Are there a different part time conversion kits depending on the cv it uses? I assume the later model cv's are stronger.

Ta
Shane

Jombi, Is that a good thing or a bad thing?? "Jooga" is actually my nickname.

Yeah Jeff its a good thing, if you're from Croydon (Jooga Country) you call every one "Jooga" or "joog", its the same as calling someone mate, down the road at Georgetown, its "Joe", Jooga means same thing as Joombi....
I bet someone from/worked up the Gulf way gave you that nic name...
wear it well.
Joom...