Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hi Guys... ronoor just ripped the rear diff apart ready for the diff to welded...
the big question is do you weld the front too?
Thats what he rang me up to post. here .. THat what mates do post on behalf of them

Cheers from the bushpig59

personal preference. does he want the front locked? does he mind if steering becomes very very hard when he is in 4wd. No he does not have to weld the front, ie nothing wrong with only doing 1.

It won't be any different to only having for example one air-locker (except that you won't be able to unlock it), so no, it won't hurt having only one done... Only once you see how much further you get with one locked, I'd imagine that yoy'd want to do the other . Just a thought though, if its a D.D. perhaps you wouls prefer to lock the front, cause it won't change the on-road behaviour when the hubs are unlocked?

nickw86au wrote:It won't be any different to only having for example one air-locker (except that you won't be able to unlock it), so no, it won't hurt having only one done... Only once you see how much further you get with one locked, I'd imagine that yoy'd want to do the other . Just a thought though, if its a D.D. perhaps you wouls prefer to lock the front, cause it won't change the on-road behaviour when the hubs are unlocked?

Welding the rear in a zuk is not realy a massive difference...You just have to learn how to drive it a bit different..

Welded front diffs, especially without power steering, are a major PITA. The steering will be really really heavy and "springy"

On mud the car will tend to pinball from side to side. It can be pretty hard to control.

We have had a number of people try them in the club and there are a couple of guys still running them. they are easy to spot.... they're the ones doing 16 point turns through tight trees or always getting in and out to unlock a hub to make it steer.

ANY locker is better than a welded front. I can't say the same with the back as I think that spools/welded diffs are that bad in the rear.

Steve.

One at a time is safer, gives you time to learn the handling changes.
And time to decide wether to front or not to front, that is the question
I liked my welded front, but did need power steer, and did get sick of jumping out to unlock a hub, but I like the lock rite heaps more. Air locker best on front, but big bucks.

christover

cheers bush pig thanks for that got a ph call from qld said if you do rear must do frount im pissed we got to stage 10 of thread were it said drink beer never got to weld to drunk will try tomorrow does this make sense cheers RON luv u all ron GO JEFF punch

MADZUKI wrote:

nickw86au wrote:It won't be any different to only having for example one air-locker (except that you won't be able to unlock it), so no, it won't hurt having only one done... Only once you see how much further you get with one locked, I'd imagine that yoy'd want to do the other . Just a thought though, if its a D.D. perhaps you wouls prefer to lock the front, cause it won't change the on-road behaviour when the hubs are unlocked?

Welding the rear in a zuk is not realy a massive difference...You just have to learn how to drive it a bit different..

coming from experience?

USE TO DRIVE sprit cars so cant se pob cheers ron im stufed

I have welded F&R with 30's.

Gwagensteve wrote:On mud the car will tend to pinball from side to side. It can be pretty hard to control.

...I have no idea what your are talking about here Steve?

Gwagensteve wrote:We have had a number of people try them in the club and there are a couple of guys still running them. they are easy to spot.... they're the ones doing 16 point turns through tight trees or always getting in and out to unlock a hub to make it steer.

ANY locker is better than a welded front.

Yes, I agree with that.
Offroad I leave one side permanently unlocked (ie: 3WD) with easy steering, and very capable. If it gets really tricky then I lock the 4th wheel in...easy, and steering is normally easy in the tough stuff.

IMO a welded diff is a problem for a DD.

cheers
Pete

under power on greasy tracks the car will tend to fight the driver a bit and hunt from side to side. Because the steering loads up so much, you can't really fight it and it can get pretty exciting in a random kind of way. In some cases, it can shoot the car from one bank to another "i.e pinballing" as the car moves ahead.

I have experienced it myself and seen it happen a fair bit.

I am sure it can happen too with a Lock right or similar, but at least it will unlock from time to time and take the bind out. To tell the truth, I have not owned a front locker equipped car with manual steer, so that might contribute, but one way or another, front welded will make it hard to avoid unless you unlock one hub.

On short obstacles and rock front welded is OK. IMHO in vic with lots of long muddy hills it is a bit of a chore. Welded rear gives enough with still acceptable drivability.

You might get used to the whacky handling, but you'll never ever get used to getting in and out of the car 40 times a day to lock and unlock a hub.

Steve.

Ive got a lock rite in the front of mine and in 4wd it's VERY hard to steer at low speed gets easier at a quicker speed! I need power steering.

Wakey wakey Ron.
Have you got it all back together yet?