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iv already searched and havent come up with much

looking at puttin a 253 vn comm. into the lux. just wanted to know what the go was with conversion kits ei prices? avail? etc

iv got duel trannys and am not going to get rid of them.

iv currently got a 2.2 petrol 86 lux and the v8 is a 253 vn 82 holden comm.

my engine is about 2 years old and i dont know anything about the history of the v8.

any info, stats, thoughts, is it worth it?

cheers
mick

whos selling this motor coz might want to check with them coz somethings wrong with the stats.....VN commo was released in 1988 and the last model the 253 was used in was the VH i think. The vn's had the 5L 307. unless the motor was just put in a vn for some reason....i reckon just go a commo v6...more power and lighter...unless ur just after the sound

Nev wrote:whos selling this motor coz might want to check with them coz somethings wrong with the stats.....VN commo was released in 1988 and the last model the 253 was used in was the VH i think. The vn's had the 5L 307. unless the motor was just put in a vn for some reason....i reckon just go a commo v6...more power and lighter...unless ur just after the sound

hehe did i mention it had twin exagerators....
mmm 307.....
mainly looking at gettin it coz its cheap its there and its a v8...
il check that with him...wat u doin next weekend nev? bit worried that it may have been thrashed around in its day....

hehe whoops....

my bad i misread....its a vh ss comm.....

flynn wrote:hehe whoops....

my bad i misread....its a vh ss comm.....

I thought VH SS's were a 308....hmmm...
I'd have to agree with Nev. Not only lighter/more powerful, but a better chance of being easily engineered.

-Stu

If its in a VH SS commodore with HDT plates, dont put it in your lux if it is an origional motor keep it in the car and or sell it, there is a craze in aussie muscle cars at the moment........ any way sorry of topic.

and there was a 253 vh ss commodore, just was never that popular.

vn actually ran a 304

are u gunna use an auto or the lux box behind it

try castlemaine rod shop or marks 4x4 adaptors or mab even dellow
for adaptors

im guessing your lux has a w58 at the moment it may be worth getting the stronger r151f to put behind it but you may have to get an adaptor to join your transfers to this wich would mean 2 adaptors

dogbreath_48 wrote:I thought VH SS's were a 308....hmmm..

The VH SS was also available with the 253 but not many were sold so they would be quite rare now.

Sprint666 wrote:If its in a VH SS commodore with HDT plates

HDT SS's were 308 only so it's not likely to be a HDT if the engine is a 253.

flynn wrote:mainly looking at gettin it coz its cheap its there and its a v8...

The VH 253 is the blue motor and developes 100kw @ 4200 rpm and 269 Nm @ 2000 rpm.
Personally I wouldn't go that option in the Hilux. The V8 blue motors were not as good as the older red motors. Both are heavy, old school carbie, weighed down with pollution garbage and love a drink.

The VN V6 developes 125Kw @ 4800 rpm and 292Nm @ 3200 rpm. More power and torque out of a smaller, much lighter engine and only drinks 12.5L/100klm around town.
VN V6 engines can be got for as little as $500 complete with loom and 4 spd auto.

Adapters and fitting costs are similar for both engines so the V6 is a far better option IMO.

Holy crap! alot of false information on this thread :S at least
W58's are very strong gearboxes but i don't think that is what would be in his lux. maybe a G51??? 307's are chevs and didn't come out in any commonwhores. The V6 will be newer aswell so it might be in better condition although there are more things to go wrong on the V6. also the 308 is the same size as the 253 but with more power and more torque so i wouldnt waste my time with a 253 but thats just my opinion

brock VH ss commodore did come with a 253 option, have a look or google it, but who cares anyway.

Good luck with your conversion.

Brock got into the SS act with the Group One version. This was a 4.2-litre with a suspension kit, Uniroyal Wildcat rubber, heavy-duty brake master cylinder, high- capacity air cleaner, Group One decals, sports steering wheel and gear knob. Mods to the suspension included heavy-duty springs, and roll bars, heavy-duty mounts, Bilsteins and revised geometry. There were no body changes and no internal engine changes. The Group One kit added $1,995 to the price of the 4.2 SS.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

hokey wrote:also the 308 is the same size as the 253 but with more power and more torque so i wouldnt waste my time with a 253 but thats just my opinion

Not that much more though. In a hilux the 17Kw extra wouldn't be worth the extra cost if you already have a 253 sitting in your garage...

Holden 4.2L V8
Capacity: 4.142L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.075 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 100kW @ 4200rpm
Maximum Torque: 269Nm @ 2000rpm

Holden 5.0L V8
Capacity: 5.044L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 110.6 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 117kW @ 4000
Maximum Torque: 336Nm @ 2400

Sprint666 wrote:Sorry couldn't help myself.

No worries, I learn't something. I didn't think Brock was enhancing the "poor mans" SS.

cool mate, wasnt very popukar car though, must admit that i wouldn't look at it...............lol, cant fit 33" muddies undermeth

Sprint666 wrote:cant fit 33" muddies undermeth

Mate, with enough money you can fit 33's under anything. Actually, back in the mid 90's I saw a VB wagon with a Range Rover chassis and running gear under it on Fraser. Didn't look right though.....unlike the old Holden Overlander HZ's....now they looked tough.

Claws wrote:

The VN V6 developes 125Kw @ 4800 rpm and 292Nm @ 3200 rpm. More power and torque out of a smaller, much lighter engine and only drinks 12.5L/100klm around town.
VN V6 engines can be got for as little as $500 complete with loom and 4 spd auto.

$500? And where is this? I want to know.

The VN V6 developes 125Kw @ 4800 rpm and 292Nm @ 3200 rpm.

The 202 I have in my HK develops 130kw @5500......at the back wheels but is twice as thirsty as a GMH V6

sudso wrote:$500? And where is this? I want to know.

Barsbys Holden spares at Maryborough Qld. A mate got one about 12 mths ago for his 85 DC Hilux. They had a 5.0L V8 with Auto and loom out of a VR sitting on the floor for $2200 that I was looking at for my 80 at the time.

The 202 I have in my HK develops 130kw @5500......at the back wheels

And how much did you have to spend on it to achieve that.....and how long before you put a conrod through the side of the block?????

I never liked the 202, the 186 was a much better block to work. I had a HR with a 186S bored to 192 with a 2 speed powerglide behind it that went well till we swapped it out for a VN V6 and 4 speed auto.

flynn wrote:
il check that with him...wat u doin next weekend nev? bit worried that it may have been thrashed around in its day....

well im up now to go to an exam and my last one is on saturday around 11-1...after that im free!!!!!! As for the motor.....geez you guys are picky....307/308 same thing you new what i meant

anyway mike if your going looking at a motor....wouldnt u want to take the expert evan......

Claws wrote:

hokey wrote:also the 308 is the same size as the 253 but with more power and more torque so i wouldnt waste my time with a 253 but thats just my opinion

Not that much more though. In a hilux the 17Kw extra wouldn't be worth the extra cost if you already have a 253 sitting in your garage...

Holden 4.2L V8
Capacity: 4.142L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.075 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 100kW @ 4200rpm
Maximum Torque: 269Nm @ 2000rpm

Holden 5.0L V8
Capacity: 5.044L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 110.6 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 117kW @ 4000
Maximum Torque: 336Nm @ 2400

compare the torque

Nev wrote:
anyway mike if your going looking at a motor....wouldnt u want to take the expert evan......

i chatted to him and said get it...but then i thought about his choices...suzi(did it have an engine), dato..taken to the tip...com v6 sittin in the shed...302...shed,selling and i think he just got another comm v6.

if he had saved his money that car would be ready by now...

startin on havin second thoughts....damn peer pressure
i prolly should wait to i destroy another engine before i start looking again....

duel tranny's give me enough at the mo anyway...

hokey wrote:

Claws wrote:

hokey wrote:also the 308 is the same size as the 253 but with more power and more torque so i wouldnt waste my time with a 253 but thats just my opinion

Not that much more though. In a hilux the 17Kw extra wouldn't be worth the extra cost if you already have a 253 sitting in your garage...

Holden 4.2L V8
Capacity: 4.142L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 92.075 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 100kW @ 4200rpm
Maximum Torque: 269Nm @ 2000rpm

Holden 5.0L V8
Capacity: 5.044L
Induction: carburetor (Quadrajet 4-barrel)
Valvetrain: overhead valves, 2 valves / cylinder
Bore x Stroke (mm): 110.6 x 77.775
Compression Ratio:
Maximum Power: 117kW @ 4000
Maximum Torque: 336Nm @ 2400

compare the torque

I do believe that so far Hokey is the only one to make much sense!

28% torque increase and 17% power increase.. hmmmmm..
It appears as though we're all holden V8 experts... If it was me i'd take the VN 253 with the twin exagerates on it that brocky sold, cos you can drive them right through that first layer of gravity!

This is Toyota tech not Holden tech.

I`ll give ya`s all one BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tip I FARKING HATE HOLDENS so enough with the my dick is bigger then yours because I know my shit boxes better. Yes ALL Holdens are shit boxes and the next person that posts about this crap will be the one to get this thread removed.

If it isn`t directly about his conversion DON`T post it.

keep your engine... if you do the swap I WONT HELP ATM!!!! so your screwed with noone who knows anything about engine shit.

john........suck my balls least i know a chev/holden 5 litre is a 308 and the VN actually had a 304 so u were way off. and least i realized that suzis are shit thats why i gave it to the rubbish pile for FREE.

if you do end up screwin ANOTHER engine by poor maintenance mike, get a toyota quad cam 1UZ....id like to see you flog that to breaking point (drooling at 6 bolt mains and fully forged standard internals).

Guts wrote:This is Toyota tech not Holden tech.

I`ll give ya`s all one BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tip I FARKING HATE HOLDENS so enough with the my dick is bigger then yours because I know my shit boxes better. Yes ALL Holdens are shit boxes and the next person that posts about this crap will be the one to get this thread removed.

If it isn`t directly about his conversion DON`T post it.

You cranky OLD BITCH If you arnt allready aware guts has an all toyota v8 in his lux, 4.0 quad cam it sounds way better than his whinging.

chunderlicious wrote:keep your engine... if you do the swap I WONT HELP ATM!!!! so your screwed with noone who knows anything about engine shit.

john........suck my balls least i know a chev/holden 5 litre is a 308 and the VN actually had a 304 so u were way off. and least i realized that suzis are shit thats why i gave it to the rubbish pile for FREE.

if you do end up screwin ANOTHER engine by poor maintenance mike, get a toyota quad cam 1UZ....id like to see you flog that to breaking point (drooling at 6 bolt mains and fully forged standard internals).

Guts wrote:This is Toyota tech not Holden tech.

I`ll give ya`s all one BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tip I FARKING HATE HOLDENS so enough with the my dick is bigger then yours because I know my shit boxes better. Yes ALL Holdens are shit boxes and the next person that posts about this crap will be the one to get this thread removed.

If it isn`t directly about his conversion DON`T post it.

He did ask if it was worth it so i think that we covered ALL the pros and cons. you seem to have the cons covered anyway
So flynn IMO i don't think the 253 is worth it

hokey wrote:Holy crap! alot of false information on this thread :S at least
The V6 will be newer aswell so it might be in better condition although there are more things to go wrong on the V6.

you say there are more things to go wrong on th V6 like what?? is it worth going the V8 to avoid the accociated probems or what

Evan...

Claws wrote:

sudso wrote:$500? And where is this? I want to know.

Barsbys Holden spares at Maryborough Qld. A mate got one about 12 mths ago for his 85 DC Hilux. They had a 5.0L V8 with Auto and loom out of a VR sitting on the floor for $2200 that I was looking at for my 80 at the time.

The 202 I have in my HK develops 130kw @5500......at the back wheels

And how much did you have to spend on it to achieve that.....and how long before you put a conrod through the side of the block?????

I never liked the 202, the 186 was a much better block to work. I had a HR with a 186S bored to 192 with a 2 speed powerglide behind it that went well till we swapped it out for a VN V6 and 4 speed auto.

It was only $1500 and pretty much every moving part was new or remachined. Mostly all blue motor bottom end but a cc'd custom 186 head. I've caned it pretty hard but the ARP rod bolts seem to keep the h/d rods in place.
I was thinking of putting it in my Bundy but it doesn't have low low down torque, not good for slow rough stuff.
I'm putting a stock 350 in the Bundy instead, a cheap power alternative to a Toyo V8.

FLYNN, a 253 conversion for your Hilux would be a sweet conversion. My missus has one in her mint Hatchback Torana and they are good motors.
Plenty of bang for your buck in a Hilux.

cheers

sudso wrote:

Claws wrote:

sudso wrote:$500? And where is this? I want to know.

Barsbys Holden spares at Maryborough Qld. A mate got one about 12 mths ago for his 85 DC Hilux. They had a 5.0L V8 with Auto and loom out of a VR sitting on the floor for $2200 that I was looking at for my 80 at the time.

The 202 I have in my HK develops 130kw @5500......at the back wheels

And how much did you have to spend on it to achieve that.....and how long before you put a conrod through the side of the block?????

I never liked the 202, the 186 was a much better block to work. I had a HR with a 186S bored to 192 with a 2 speed powerglide behind it that went well till we swapped it out for a VN V6 and 4 speed auto.

It was only $1500 and pretty much every moving part was new or remachined. Mostly all blue motor bottom end but a cc'd custom 186 head. I've caned it pretty hard but the ARP rod bolts seem to keep the h/d rods in place.
I was thinking of putting it in my Bundy but it doesn't have low low down torque, not good for slow rough stuff.
I'm putting a stock 350 in the Bundy instead, a cheap power alternative to a Toyo V8.

FLYNN, a 253 conversion for your Hilux would be a sweet conversion. My missus has one in her mint Hatchback Torana and they are good motors.
Plenty of bang for your buck in a Hilux.

cheers

WTF?... You'll love the 253 cos it's good in a torana????????
I drove a cooper 'S' that went like the powers of piss the other day... maybe he should put a 1278cc mini engine in it!!!!

All we are trying to tell the guy is that if he is going to go and buy an engine specifically for the job then why buy a 253 when a 308 will be better. Stop Giving the man false interpritations of what the engine is going to do in his hilux!!!!! FFS!!

If you've got two transfers and Lo Lo gearing do you need the extra power? If your current engine is ok then do you really want to bugger around with it? IN MY OPINION The benefit you are going to get from a 253 is not worth it if your car is performing ok ATM. If your engine was rooted and you were getting a 253 for free or had one sitting there then it would be a considerable option.
One last thing, a Torana is Half the weight of your hilux which means it will be like reducing the power by approximately 33%.

evanstaniland wrote:

hokey wrote:Holy crap! alot of false information on this thread :S at least
The V6 will be newer aswell so it might be in better condition although there are more things to go wrong on the V6.

you say there are more things to go wrong on th V6 like what?? is it worth going the V8 to avoid the accociated probems or what

Evan...

I was just meaning with the fuel injection system is a bit more complicated. also with it being so old it has a greater chance of wearing out so you would want to redo alot of it so that if you were wanting to drop it in it might not be worth the trouble than with an old V8 you can see what you are getting and it is either good or it isn't

RUFFY what was with the rolling eyes?

Mike wont be changing his engine as he wont waste his money and he actually has good advice from his mates who know that twin trans is enough torque/power to drive most anything. the thing he is looking for is a nice sounding engine that he can gloat about the fact he has a V8.

he doesnt need a new engine and he wont be getting a new engine for some time. Infact im pretty sure most of this thread would have gone right over his head judging by what he was saying on MSN