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be careful of the RTA!

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:50 pm
by Roctoy
the sneaky bastards are getting tricky now indeeeeede!

Halfway through my project 84 xtra cab, (still driving from one end of the Sutho shire to the other to get to work) i copped a minor defect notice in the mail. Well, it was more of a to do list of what i had to finish on my car. It included things like:
engineers certificate
design check of short tray
reflectors
mud flaps
tyres outside the body line (35's)
front drive shaft broken (it was actually apart at the spline)
and a heap of other things

when i rang the RTA to find out how the inspector were so acurate on the things that were wrong, she told me that they now take digital photos of your vehicle whilst driving next to u in the traffic! then when they get into the office )and sit down with a donut and a coffee) the pick your car to bits!

Well the truck passed engineers first go and it is back on the road, with certificate 6 pages long, new tyre placard and engineers compliance plates in the engin bay, refering to report numbers and adr rules etc, etc

So just watch out, cause they are getting tough!!

Cheers Chris :cool:

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:57 pm
by robbie
why do you need mudflaps?

I have heard a few people say they needed mudflaps for 4bies, I know you dont need them on passenger cars

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:38 pm
by MQ080
robbie wrote:why do you need mudflaps?

I have heard a few people say they needed mudflaps for 4bies, I know you dont need them on passenger cars


Cause it can spray upon other motorists. i.e. impairs their vision

Roc70y: Why don't you just have a dummy-spit just like Harry and threaten to leave this country unless the photographers stop… it must be so hard being royalty

Re: be careful of the RTA!

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:41 pm
by hypo
roc70y wrote:Well the truck passed engineers first go and it is back on the road, with certificate 6 pages long, new tyre placard and engineers compliance plates in the engin bay, refering to report numbers and adr rules etc, etc


good 2 here that it passed...

how did u get a new tyre placard ?? and since wen did they fit compliance plates ??

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:44 pm
by hazard
they wouldn't send you a defect notice if you had one of these!!

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:55 am
by Wendle
yeah, they have been doing the same thing in Canberra for a couple of years. Parking inspectors can also report faulty vehicles and the RTA will call them in for inspection.

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:28 am
by planb
i know of one engineer in nsw that provides new tyre placards (a mate has 37x12.5x15) stamped on the inside sill of his door. just like the ones from japan.

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:36 am
by grimbo
Robbie in Melbourne they will get you for no mudflaps every time

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:53 am
by auto_eng
robbie wrote:why do you need mudflaps?

I have heard a few people say they needed mudflaps for 4bies, I know you dont need them on passenger cars


Extract from ADR 42/03. MA = passenger car (4x2). L-Group = motor bike. If you have a ute read 15.2

15 WHEEL GUARDS (MUDGUARDS)
15.1 Wheel Guards for Passenger Cars (MA) Vehicles Only
15.1.1 General Requirements
The vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of the bodywork, mudguards, etc) which must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

15.1.2 Special Requirements
15.1.2.1 The wheel guards must meet the following requirements when the wheels are in the straight ahead position:
15.1.2.1.1 in the part formed by radial planes at an angle of 30 degrees to the front and 50 degrees to the rear of the centre of the wheel (see Figure 1), the overall width (q) of the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the tyre ‘Section Width’ (b) of the tyres fitted to the vehicle taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel combination as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;
15.1.2.1.2 the rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, Figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre;
15.1.2.1.3 the contour and location of the wheel guards must be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in clause 15.1.2.1, they must satisfy the following requirements:
15.1.2.1.3.1 the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in clause 15.1.2.1.1;
and
15.1.2.1.3.2 the distance (c) between the lower edges of the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre of the wheels must not exceed 2r, ‘r’ being the ‘Static Loaded Tyre Radius’ of the tyre;
15.1.2.1.4 in the case of vehicles having adjustable suspension height, the above mentioned requirements must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running position specified by the ‘Manufacturer’;
15.1.2.1.5 the wheel guards may consist of several components, provided that no gaps exist between or within the individual parts when assembled; and
15.1.2.1.6 the wheel guards must be securely attached. However they may be detachable either as a unit or in parts.
15.2 Wheel Guards for Vehicles other than MA and L-group Vehicles
15.2.1 General Requirements
All wheels of a motor vehicle or trailer (including a ‘Prime Mover’ capable of operating without a ‘Semi-trailer’) must be provided with wheel guards which must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.
15.2.2 Special Requirements
The wheel guards on the rearmost wheels on vehicles other than MA and L-Group vehicles must provide continuous protection between a point in area A and a point in area B in Figure 2, and must be provided for the ‘Overall Tyre Width’ of all tyres.
15.2.2.1 In the case of steerable wheels, the requirements of clause 15.2.2 must only apply when the wheels are in the straight-ahead position.
15.2.3 Wheel guards may consist of either permanent body structure or part structure and other components, including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is retained during vehicle operation.
15.2.4 Where 2 or more ‘Axles’ form an ‘Axle Group’, separate wheel guards may be provided for each rear wheel or a single wheel guard may be provided which provides continuous protection from area ‘A’ of the foremost wheel to area ‘B’ of the rearmost wheel in Figure 2.
15.2.5 Notwithstanding the requirements specified above the wheel guard including a mudflap (if fitted) need not be less than 230 mm from the ground for other than off-road vehicles, or 300 mm in the case of vehicles designed for off-road operation.
15.2.6 The requirements of this part does not apply to any vehicle the construction or use of which is such that, in the opinion of the ‘Administrator’ it is unnecessary or impracticable to provide a wheel guard(s).
15.3 Wheel Guards for L-Group Vehicles
15.3.1 Wheel guards may consist of either permanent body structure or part structure and other components, including mudflaps, provided the specified protection is retained during vehicle operation.
15.3.2 General Requirements
The wheels of a vehicle and the wheel of a side-car must be fitted with wheel guards of width not less than the ‘Section Width’ of the tyre. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as practicable, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.
15.3.3 Special Requirements
15.3.3.1 Rear ‘Axle’ and Side-car
The wheel guard provided for the rear wheel and for the wheel of any side-car must extend not less than from a point vertically above the foremost part of the wheel rearward to a point not higher than the intersection of the arc of the wheel guard with a line through the centre of the wheel at 45 degrees to a horizontal plane through the centre of the wheel when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in the saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.
15.3.3.2 Front ‘Axle’
Where a wheel guard(s) is provided for the front ‘Axle’, it must extend not less than from a point vertically above the centre of the wheel rearward to a point not higher than the centre of the wheel or to the point where suitable protection is afforded by the frame or other construction of the vehicle when a mass of 45 kg is distributed in the saddle of the vehicle at its ‘Unladen Mass’.
15.4 Visibility of Wheel Guards (Certain Vehicles)
Except when ‘Rear Marking Plates’ are fitted, for every rear wheel guard affixed to a motor vehicle, or trailer which is 2.2 m or more in ‘Overall Width’ and which has a body of the tray type, that portion of the external surface of such wheel guard which is visible to the rear of such vehicle must be white or silver in colour and clearly visible.

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:07 am
by bogged
thank god its only an extract ;)

auto_eng wrote:SNIP

rta suck

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:56 am
by Roctoy
well i hope they hurry up and get the engineers certificate typed up and the defects cleared cause the pricks will cancel my rego on the 2nd of October.

Chris :cry:

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:24 am
by Thor
have there been any instances of this junk mail arriving in QLD letterboxes?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:54 am
by Gordo
FYI, ACT rego requires the mudflaps are 30cm from the ground

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:11 pm
by Area54
Thor wrote:have there been any instances of this junk mail arriving in QLD letterboxes?


Yep, they have. DOT guys will serve you with notices in the mail, they and their colleagues will spot you in the traffic, at lights, in the drive thru, on weekends, in carparks blah blah blah. They write down the rego and you get the notice in the mail, stating that your vehicle was spotted being driven on a public road in an unroadworthy manner, please present your vehicle to <address of DOT inspection station> on <date> for full inspection. They run you over the pits, and pick on anything that doesn't comply.

The partial answer to this is to have a stock looking truck, small streety tyres and no leaks or smoky exhaust. Then when you drive offroad you just bolt on the play tyres, and remove anything that can get broken (ie stuff that keeps it looking 'stock') This way you won't attract unwanted attention to yourself. This was the logic behind my current paint scheme - just blend in... :lol: :lol: I'm also yet to try the Jedi mind trick...

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:06 pm
by Thor
could have me fooled it that was a offroad vehicle!
looks stock as far as i can tell! :cool:

actually i think camo looking paint jobs are sweet, nice work area54

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:09 pm
by mickrangie
i am screwed :shock:

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:36 pm
by AVGAS_502
Area54 wrote:
Thor wrote:have there been any instances of this junk mail arriving in QLD letterboxes?


Yep, they have. DOT guys will serve you with notices in the mail, they and their colleagues will spot you in the traffic, at lights, in the drive thru, on weekends, in carparks blah blah blah. They write down the rego and you get the notice in the mail, stating that your vehicle was spotted being driven on a public road in an unroadworthy manner, please present your vehicle to <address of DOT inspection station> on <date> for full inspection. They run you over the pits, and pick on anything that doesn't comply.

The partial answer to this is to have a stock looking truck, small streety tyres and no leaks or smoky exhaust. Then when you drive offroad you just bolt on the play tyres, and remove anything that can get broken (ie stuff that keeps it looking 'stock') This way you won't attract unwanted attention to yourself. This was the logic behind my current paint scheme - just blend in... :lol: :lol: I'm also yet to try the Jedi mind trick...


Well you just can't beat sound logic... :idea: :idea: :idea:

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:00 pm
by MissDrew
FARK!!!!!!!!! mud guards :roll:

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:09 pm
by Maddog
Mickrangie, is that your white beast parked on Burwood Hwy?

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:28 pm
by mickrangie
nope mine is grey...

I think the guy who own that Rangie's name is simon... don't know him personaly but my girlfriend brother used to play basket ball with him... been try to go wheeling wwith him for a while

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:33 pm
by Maddog
Nice rig...I stopped to have a gander when I was going past yesterday...runs Simex's...

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:34 pm
by landy_man
mickrangie wrote:i am screwed :shock:


i got some flaps you can buy :lol:

rta sux

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:47 pm
by Roctoy
spend the dosh, get your truck engineered for sometinhg, THEN GO NUTS!
Once the lazy pricks run your plates through the computer to find that it has been modified as per report number 123456789, they will most likely give up. Most of the inspectors wouldn't bother reading the report, hopefully they'd move onto the next brown Gemini fully lowered with a black drivers door and a fooly sik sub de woofer!

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:14 pm
by mickrangie
the cost of getting a rig engineered these days outta matter of intrest??

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:15 pm
by mickrangie
landy_man wrote:
mickrangie wrote:i am screwed :shock:


i got some flaps you can buy :lol:
didn't know yr misses was for sale :D

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:21 pm
by landy_man
:D :finger: :D

rta

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:21 am
by Roctoy
engineers certificate from a company called TIC cost me $450, this includes the gingerbeer coming to you, a new tyre placcard and a compliancy type plate to put on your firewall. I think the cost varys between vehicles and amount of mods though.
Cheers Chris

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:02 am
by auto_eng
NSW and VIC are usually $350 to $450.

Not sure about NSW but in Vic $100 of this goes straight to Vic roads

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:41 am
by mickrangie
Good stuff I fink I'll give em a call

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:51 am
by Beastmavster
auto_eng wrote:
robbie wrote:why do you need mudflaps?

I have heard a few people say they needed mudflaps for 4bies, I know you dont need them on passenger cars


Extract from ADR 42/03. MA = passenger car (4x2). L-Group = motor bike. If you have a ute read 15.2
.


You got a link to that online?