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Anyone fixed this? My arm gets sore constantly pulling the beast to the right all the time, let go of the steering wheel for half a second and we would be in a table drain. 3 wheel alignments and it's no better.

What should I try now.

cheers fnq

have you tried a return to centre steering damper?? you can locate the spring fixing on the damper and set it to couter act the pulling to the left, this fixed my old 60.

Mi2c

Daniels

Yeah Daniel I did and it worked great at keeping the car straight although because of the bias I needed to set the spring at it is now chopping the LHS tyre out on the outside pretty badly.

cheers fnq

i dont seem to have that problem with mine, maybe warn bushes, king pin bearings, etc

have you bent the chassis or a diff? Mine never had a problem like that, used to track beautifully on 33s all the time

Hi Grinch, I don't think so, the first guy who did a wheel alighnment (badly) said it is all like new underneath and so did the other two (better)and it drives like new apart from the pull, the car has been babied it's whole life, hardly never in 4wd before I bought it.

The reason I have been told is all these bloody cars have a degree of left hand pull built into them to counteract road camber in countrys that drive on the other side of the road and here in QLD we actually have as a roadbuilding standard a slightly steeper camber built into our roads to account for higher rainfalls than most other states which doesn't help the situation.

cheers fnq

Hi Grimbo, they say everything is perfectly in spec apart from a little bit of castor becuase of the 2 inch lift at the front.

Tell ya it bloody shits me.

cheers fnq

yea maybe you guys have steeper camber then down here, i know my old hilux was a pain in the ars. there is a mob the do a kit for the hiluxs to fix it, superior aliments i think? wasn't cheap though

Thanks Grinch, I was told about that mod also and it probably will be the way I go which will be expensive so trying to avoid it.
I have just been searching the net and a couple of people claim that placing a spacer on the control arm where it meets the chassis works???

Anyone know any more on this?

cheers fnq

My GU also pulls to the left. Spoke to my mechanic mate (has GU as well) and he says its standard but you can get a replacement bearing for the left hand side which modifies the camber. However it shrinks the bearing and he is worried they will fail sooner due to additional stress, not real good when your in the sticks !

I bought my GU at xmas 2.5 years old. In the last 3 months I've started to notice the pull. Most annoying like you say if you loose concentration for a sec. Have done 20k since xmas.

Steve

fnqcairns wrote:Anyone fixed this? My arm gets sore constantly pulling the beast to the right all the time, let go of the steering wheel for half a second and we would be in a table drain. 3 wheel alignments and it's no better.

What should I try now.

cheers fnq

has the 4b ever been in an accy?
are either of diffs bent?
bent / drag link / panard / steer / idler arm
TRACK is something that springs to mind. dont let it steer like a fork lift.

try swapping your front wheels left to right, see if that makes any difference

Stick one of these on the car and then get an alignment.
http://www.bbmotorsports.com.au/prod280.htm

This will fix the left tyre wearing out and help the car drive straight.
Some places will supply, fit and align.

If you want to get really fussy, fit a return to centre steeing damper (with the spring)

Did it to mine and it's fantastic to drive. Dead straight with 33" and now 35" tyres.

chops wrote:try swapping your front wheels left to right, see if that makes any difference

Agree.. sometimes steering pull can be in the tyres. Try left to right and also front to rear.
cheers

dont go near them. better of with caulking gun cable tied to rear diff.

If you want to get really fussy, fit a return to centre steeing damper (with the spring)

ever haerd of a "masking agent" ?

I've got a GU & it pulls too the left also . I know of a couple of other blokes that have the same problem with their GU's (2 of them have nener been off-road) so I'm guessing it has nothing to do with the car being in an accident, bent diffs/panhard rod/draglink etc..... But I too would like to find out why it's so & get it fixed ....

fnqcairns wrote:Anyone fixed this? My arm gets sore constantly pulling the beast to the right all the time, let go of the steering wheel for half a second and we would be in a table drain. 3 wheel alignments and it's no better.

What should I try now.

cheers fnq

Never had pull to either side and my axles has been bent at 3 different angles.

fnqcairns wrote:Hi Grimbo, they say everything is perfectly in spec apart from a little bit of castor becuase of the 2 inch lift at the front.

Tell ya it bloody shits me.

cheers fnq

any details of what they said is "in spec" ?

camber, caster, toe in/out etc

liftkit8 wrote:dont go near them. better of with caulking gun cable tied to rear diff.

If you want to get really fussy, fit a return to centre steeing damper (with the spring)

This is also fitted to my other car with only 2" lift and I've just changed the tyres after 80,000ks without rotation.

Others also have the same setup without problem.

4by wrote:

liftkit8 wrote:dont go near them. better of with caulking gun cable tied to rear diff.

If you want to get really fussy, fit a return to centre steeing damper (with the spring)

This is also fitted to my other car with only 2" lift and I've just changed the tyres after 80,000ks without rotation.

Others also have the same setup without problem.

just going off what ive had /used/ & thrown away. been on gq with 8" for a couple of yrs now . R.T.C dampner belongs in dumpster. i run dual steer damp. 1 x early rancho on 9s + td fc

liftkit8 wrote:

4by wrote:

liftkit8 wrote:dont go near them. better of with caulking gun cable tied to rear diff.

If you want to get really fussy, fit a return to centre steeing damper (with the spring)

This is also fitted to my other car with only 2" lift and I've just changed the tyres after 80,000ks without rotation.

Others also have the same setup without problem.

just going off what ive had /used/ & thrown away. been on gq with 8" for a couple of yrs now . R.T.C dampner belongs in dumpster. i run dual steer damp. 1 x early rancho on 9s + td fc

Fitting the kingpin adjuster made the main difference. The RTC also helped to prevent the car wonder or tram trac. Mine is only half the height of yours.

Might be different with the 8" setup. Pretty big lift. Must be good out bush.

Scott,
i've had same prob.
Changed wheels left to right, got better.
Fitted kit to LH top king pin.prob solved.

Cheers Ian
pm sent.

fnqcairns wrote:Yeah Daniel I did and it worked great at keeping the car straight although because of the bias I needed to set the spring at it is now chopping the LHS tyre out on the outside pretty badly.

cheers fnq

exact same thing is happening to me!

My front lhs baja claw is wearing so badly on the outside it isnt funny! im always fighting the left pull...

I havent had the RTC on that long so i didnt think the uneven wear would be related to that... Would offsetting the spring to counter act steering wander be causing the wear? Because i only adjusted the spring stop very slightly.

Its going in for a tyre rotation soon (directional tyres). I'll see how that pans out. Doubt there will be a change tho as the left pull has always been there.

Which degree setting in the adj. kingpin would you recommend? for a 3" lift... would it be based on the amount of pull??

Hi DeeV8,

When you get the rotation done, get them to check the alignment and they should tell you which degree to buy.

Either you buy and fit it and then go back to get the alignment done or some places will supply and fit. This will stop the left tyre wearing out.

You may find after fitting the king pin, the car may steer left ever so slightly. A little tension on the damper spring will help.
The steering damper mainly will help with tram tracking and steering wonder.

I did this to mine with a 3" lift and 35" tyres and it drives great.

Good Luck.

Thanks for the reply's it's now FIXED! It WAS the tyres (Yoko 05), how can a perfectly good tyre with 80% tread only a year old cause such a drama.

I swapped the rear tyres which are a different brand to the front, dropped the dampener altogether and took it for a run, the steering wheel is dead straight with no pull at all ........unless now the RHS is pulling .

Today I am of to Bob Jane (Yoko dealer here) to see about a couple of new 05s as I dont trust the the tyres that were on the back as my steering tyres and to see what they say about it.

Thanks again for all the reply's it was a big help.

cheers fnq

Also, swapping front to rear helps
"re-square" the tyre as they wear
uneven on the front.

Ian.

A mate took his GQ to a place called Motsons I think for same problem and he actually rang them to say thank you he was that impressed with the drive home. I would be asking why your left hand side tyre is wearing rather than blaming the problem on it.

LudaCris

I would be asking why your left hand side tyre is wearing rather than blaming the problem on it.

I know why it is wearing, it is because of the bias I introduced into the RTC dampner out of desperation to force the patrol to run straight.
With that tyre now on the rear and the rears on the front it runs true as a die on the road so investigation underneath may be a further waste of my money.

I went to Bob Jane and got nothing but standardised bullshit from the sales person, which amounted to "you will need to spend your money to prove it is not the tyres before we will entertain in anyway the tyre could have any fault":roll:
so I hightailed it to another tyreseller (fwd superstore) got some fairdinkum service and settled on a plan where I drop the rtc, get the car test driven with me in the car so I can prove how straight it runs now with the rear tyres fitted then fit the new tyres and if it then pulls anew they promise to sort it from a replacement tyre and/or side swap perspective until I am happy all same day.


cheers fnq
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just fuck bob jane off and buy some MT/Rs and make sure you rotate your tyres ever 5000kms after that, and get a wheel alignment every 2nd rotation (at 10,000).

simple