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Hi guys i'm after a elec ignition to replce the points and maybe see a performance gain

I have a Tb42 Carby and was woundering what you guys think of the Petronix Ignitor 2 and does it last becuase i have read a few bad reports about the Crane. I have found a place in Melb "Pro Quip" in BaysWater has anyone got there system from there and could anyone let me know what price i'm going to be looking at.

One last question is that Flame Thrower 2 performance coil make any difference over a cheap one from Repco.

Cheers guys for ya help

Nike and get get it from Phil

http://www.ontrack4x4.com.au/

That one the phil sells for $220 is the orginal one isn't there the ignitor 2 and it is ment to be better?

Does he sell the newer one or just that one on his site i'll give him a ring next week though

Cheers mate.

Ignitor 2 is useless on a TB42, talk to Phil

oh ok thanks man lucky i asked here about them then

The Ignitor II works better in the 3000-5000 rev range, only Hottiemonster drives in this rev range

From the PerTronix website:

Compared to the original Ignitor develops an average 3 times more available energy between 3000 and 5000 RPM and nearly doubles available plug voltage

Higher RPM performance is improved when used with new Flame-Thrower II super low resistance (0.6 ohms) 45,000 volt coil, however, is compatible with any induction coil

So what ur saying in the orginal ignitor is better for these low reving engines and ignitor 2 is better for the higher reving engines?

Cheers guys for ya help.

i have the ignitor that phill at ontrack fitted for me it works a treat is cheap and fixed up a dogy miss i had. Plus i picked up a bit of economy and it will rev out past 5000 if i really want it to now as before it didnt like anything past 4000 (i dont often rev past 3000 though). All in all a good mod

mudmav wrote:i have the ignitor that phill at ontrack fitted for me it works a treat is cheap and fixed up a dogy miss i had. Plus i picked up a bit of economy and it will rev out past 5000 if i really want it to now as before it didnt like anything past 4000 (i dont often rev past 3000 though). All in all a good mod

Sweet man good to here did you find a performance gain of such

dont think i would have picked up power in kw's but drivability was noticably different, cold starts are lots better to.

Sweet

Cheers guys i might be getting this elec ignition sooner then i think becuase i wanted to sell my Garmin GPS before i brought it so i don't keep collecting stuff i don't need LMAO

Mulisha, I think you will be extremely staisfied when you have it installed!!
I tried everything to fix my dodgy Idle Problems, After fitting the ignitor It is running & Idling Sweet As !!!

Petronix 1 on mine...no friggin points and no maintenance....

idles great, and starts easy. Don't bother about economy as GQ and economy is an oxymoron. Just drives better.

blkmav wrote:The Ignitor II works better in the 3000-5000 rev range, only Hottiemonster drives in this rev range

hmmm, maybe i should invest in ignitor 2

LOL @ Hottiemonster do you find car to use oil and feel like it's gona blow up @ the rev range.

Cheers guys.

Hey i just found out with the ignitor that if you leave the key on it will burn out the the ignitor or is this bull shit? Becuase i thought with elec ignition you could leave your key on?

Also one other thing how much is the flame thrower coil to suit the ignitor ignition going to set me back?

Cheers.


Rick.

I spoke to Pro Quip in Bayswater(Melb.) who import them and the coil is approx. $90 oil filled or $110 for the vibration proof one. Yes you can burn it out if ignition left on also make sure it's wired correctly.

cheers you can leave lights on in ur car while it's parked or stopped for a few mins with car engine off and the ignition off ?

Also the oiled filled one is that for like road use and mainly beach use and the vibration one for like up at the cape on those corrgations?

Cheers guys.

i wouldnt bother with one of the coils your looking at i purchased a bosch gt40rt and it works great and is epoxy filled (vibration proof) and it only cost $40.

i wouldnt bother with one of the coils your looking at i purchased a bosch gt40rt and it works great and is epoxy filled (vibration proof) and it only cost $40.

I have already got one of those 40R coils also i just looked at that proquip site and it shows a table that 3000RPM the ignitor II works it best so out of interest why is the orginal one better? Isn't 3000RPM on the TB42 in the torqe range?

Also i only do a a little bit of beach driving and the rest is on the road so i don't torqe down low as i don't 4wd really.

Cheers guys for ya help....


Shit my bad between 2,000 - 3,000 RPM is ment to be were the most of the touqe is made and i got confused with were is revs lol i rev my car to about 3200RPM and if i want to make a loud noise or want to get somewere to about 4500

I have a 1990 4.2 LT petrol only Maverick.

For a non technophile like myself, is the installation a DIY possibility, or do you recommend an autoelectrician to instal?

And once installed, how do you check and adjust the dwell, as the magnets are fixed to the distributor shaft? Or is the dwell angle now no longer relevant?

Anyone out there done the installation themselves?

Cheers
Dave

I have no idea chanellger made wait till someone comes on that's a auto elec or maybe post in the auto elec section for a quicker response.

I fitted the Pertronix Igniter I to my P40 MQ Patrol along with the epoxy-filled Flame Thrower coil. Improved things no end. Engine revs much more smoothly and freely especially at the higher revs (it is easy to over-rev the engine if you are not careful i.e. over 4000rpm which is HIGH for the old P40) and starting is much easier.

Installation was dead easy. Just had to remove the points, push on the Hall Effect pickup, screw the IC Chip in place on the breaker plate, swap the coils over and connect the wires as per instructions. I used a Flamethrower coil but the OEM coil worked fine. One point I recall is that you should check with the supplier whether to use the 1.5ohm or the 3ohm coil. I was supplied with the 1.5ohm but the literature recommended the 3ohm for my engine so I swapped it.

The ignition is not fully electronic - it is really just a replacement for the points, but that in itself is sufficient reason to go for it. And if you have any problems out bush it is a simple matter to refit the points. The dwell is fixed and you still use the centrifugal and vaccum advance and retard mechanisms. I.e. there is no computer to adjust the advance/retard or vary the dwell. If you want to go that way DSE sell a cheap ignition kit which could probably be adapted to work with the Hall Effect pickup. This kit varies the dwell and automatically switches off the coil current if you leave the ignition on for too long. I have not tried the kit in the MQ but we installed it in an old Honda CB125 twin motorbike after modifying it to run on 6v and it worked quite well, though we ended up bypassing most of the fancy features!

Cheers mate i will be getting one soon as possible.

Thanks again for that info becuase didn't understand what this kit does so you have now cleared that up for me

Cheers guys. Ignitor I and GT40R coil not sure if i can afford the oil filled coil at the moment so it might have to wait

Thanks Rick.

Highjack, Ok im sold on it sounds great. Will fix all my Tb42 problems. Where can i pick up the Pertronix system in Newcastle or Central Coast or Syney anybody??

with electronic ignition the switching is done electronically so dwell is irrelevant.

challenger wrote:I have a 1990 4.2 LT petrol only Maverick.

For a non technophile like myself, is the installation a DIY possibility, or do you recommend an autoelectrician to instal?

And once installed, how do you check and adjust the dwell, as the magnets are fixed to the distributor shaft? Or is the dwell angle now no longer relevant?

Anyone out there done the installation themselves?

Cheers
Dave

I installed the piranha kit myself (similar concept but not as powerfull). took about 45 mins including making a cradle/splashgaurd for the module and making a braket to fit around my dual battery tray... and auto elec work is like black magic to me, it did improve the effenciency and saved me alot of time and effort re-doing the points every couple of thou

Simon

Mulisha wrote:Cheers mate i will be getting one soon as possible.

Thanks again for that info becuase didn't understand what this kit does so you have now cleared that up for me

Cheers guys. Ignitor I and GT40R coil not sure if i can afford the oil filled coil at the moment so it might have to wait

Thanks Rick.

On the GQ 4.2 you have to do a slight grind mod somewhere on the dizzy shaft. I think it is a flange that needs removal so the hall affect thingy can slip on the shaft.

What I like about this setup is that I don't have to do any maintenance on the dizzy. I have owned two previous vehicles with electronic ignition and they are set and forget.

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On the GQ 4.2 you have to do a slight grind mod somewhere on the dizzy shaft. I think it is a flange that needs removal so the hall affect thingy can slip on the shaft.

What I like about this setup is that I don't have to do any maintenance on the dizzy. I have owned two previous vehicles with electronic ignition and they are set and forget.[/quote]

Yeah is that grinding hard becuase i'm new to the mod thing