Outer Limits 4x4 Board

guys have just fitted a set of 100 series diffs n coils to my 40

im running standard 100 coils to keep it low, and its time to get some shocks for it

my mates 40 is running 80 series diffs n stock coils and is useing rancho 9000

what other shocks are running the same length as a rancho 9000 at full extension ?

none adjustable or adjustable are ok , but im not prepared to pay $550 for a 2 ralph shocks either

there car is to be set up as a capable tourer with also having a large amount of flex for off road use as well ,
it will probably cop more weekend abuse than tourering tho

rancho 9000 is just the model of the shock. It comes in a number of different lengths and fitments to suit different applications. If you want value for money I'd have a look at Dobinsons Shocks. Just ring 07 49277444 and they'll look after you. I've used their shocks in competitions and I've been really impressed. Just make sure you have the measurements they need when you call. Like take the springs out and let it sit on your bump stops, this will be your compressed length. Put your springs back in and jack the car up until you can just move the springs, this is your extended length. You may also need the weight of you vehicle to let them know the best shocks for the job. You'll need this info no matter where you go.

When you measure your compressed length as described above, when the car is siting on the bump stop, deduct 30mm from the length you get between the shock mounts to allow for bump stop crush, so you dont bottom the shock.

Not sure how you have configured your shock mounts from 40 top to 100 bottom with out pics, but tyre size, unsprung weight and axle weights will help work out shock valving, but at an educated guess, if you now have eye eye rear mounts, GQ shock valving, like in the Ridepro, or even the extra long ridepro comp shock may work well in the rear, and in the front, if you make the top mounts higher, and pin instead of eye, to match the 100 diff mounts, then a bolt on GQ valving option will probably be a good starting point in the front also.

i got the shock numbers off my mates rig [same set up as im going to run]

front rancho rs99207

rear rancho rs99012

will check the rancho site for shock compression and and extension lengths on those model shocks

these shocks have already been set up in this fashion as you guys have suggested

thank you for your advice and i wil give dobinsons a buzz too

The front is easy, any after market front Landcruiser shocks will give you the right length.

For the rear you have some pretty decent travel so you are limiting your available brands that can do a shock that long. Whether on a budget or not I think Procomps will fair well on the rear. Assuming you decide on Procomps on the rear, you may aswell get Procomps for the front also to keep them the same.

Price is $120 each. Add $20 to the price for freight.

Something that may or may not help is if you can flex it up without shocks and measure before you buy it will ensure you will get what you want with no doubt. You may be able to pick up a bit more travel than your mate

Happy Trails
Shane

my mates truck had been tested n set up so as to get maximum flex from the front and rear without having the springs falling out

and to also get maximum compression without knocking the top out of the shock



i have the spec's of the rancho shocks they had fitted



comp ext travel

front

rs99207 14.5'' 23.250 '' 8.750''


rear

rs99012 19.375'' 32.250'' 12.875''

ridepro do a comp shock which would also work, rear is 740mm open, and front is 60mm longer than a normal 2" lift shock, which would be close to bolt on depending on your top front mount.

The valving would ceretainly be more suited than any american shock you chose to try and run.

Battle of the shockers

Or is that the battle of the guys who sell shockers... LOL.. Mines better than yours.. no it's not mine's better

I say Koni

Considering that 32.25" extended is about 820mm long I don't think the Ridepros are quite long enough. The mounts must be setup a bit different which is not surprising really.
Procomps are the only reliable shock at this length that I know of, without getting shocks worth more than your 40 (No offense of course)

I don't know if you can get Koni's this long, someone please let me know if you can and where.

4WD Stuff wrote:Considering that 32.25" extended is about 820mm long I don't think the Ridepros are quite long enough. The mounts must be setup a bit different which is not surprising really.
Procomps are the only reliable shock at this length that I know of, without getting shocks worth more than your 40 (No offense of course)

I don't know if you can get Koni's this long, someone please let me know if you can and where.

so 820mm long would mean you would need a 130mm bump stop for the compressed length to fit so you didnt bottom the shock.

sort of negates wanting to run the longer shock, because you lose so much uptravel....... not to mention keeping the coils captive.....

But I think you might not actually know the lengths, nd bump stop lengths, going by the info you posted.

Hey Plowy

Ive been gettin all my Ranchos through Bowers Suspension at newwy, they seem to know what they're talking about. I jus bought some 15" travel ones for the front and they work a treat, i got em on special!
Give them a call 49693911

Cheers

Can somebody explain to ats4x4dotcom that plowy already knows what lengths shocks he wants as he has already posted them. Maybe you should ask Plowy why he wants them so long and leave me out of it.

my mates truck had been tested n set up so as to get maximum flex from the front and rear without having the springs falling out

and to also get maximum compression without knocking the top out of the shock



i have the spec's of the rancho shocks they had fitted



comp ext travel

front

rs99207 14.5'' 23.250 '' 8.750''


rear

rs99012 19.375'' 32.250'' 12.875''

p.s. Ridepro shocks are weeners compared to what he has asked for in the rear.
(No offense to Ridepro as I don't think they are a bad shock)

pps

The valving would ceretainly be more suited than any american shock you chose to try and run.

Can you please enlighten us why the Ridepro valving is more suited than Procomp shocks. Are they firmer or softer. Are they firmer or softer compared to TJM shocks or ARB shocks or Dobinsons shocks or Bilsteins or Koni's or Rancho or Toughdog or are you just full of hot air.
Be polite and respectful or don't post at all.

Shane

4WD Stuff wrote:Can somebody explain to ats4x4dotcom that plowy already knows what lengths shocks he wants
Shane

If thats the case, why were you trying to offer ones which wont actually work, and you hadnt actually done any homework on, except how much you could sell them for????

Can you please enlighten us why the Ridepro valving is more suited than Procomp shocks.

Maybe one you can comprehend the open and closed lengths part , which is the easy bit, we can move onto valving for you then, when you are ready to move on.

Valving changes with different models in the same brand of shock. You can't just say that the ride pro valving is better or worse than another brand of shock. You also need to match the shocks to the weight of the vehicle and the springs that are under the vehicle. The easiest example of this is the difference between leaf and coil. You can't ,without some decent research, effectively swap shocks between the two types of springs and use them to full effect. It's the same with different coil rates, just not as obvious unless you have a test bed or are a suspension freak Suspension is like a woman. It depends on the type of ride you want to get If your shocks are too soft, they won't effectively stabilise the vehicle and if they are too stiff then they degrade the effectiveness of the springs to do their job properly and also place a much larger stress on the mounting points and the chassis. Plowy is obviously happy with his mates setup and would like something similar. If you want to offer alternatives to his mates setup then do it objectively without bickering. This is a great example of why this site should have a vendors section where business' can advertise their wares.

toughnut wrote: Plowy is obviously happy with his mates setup and would like something similar. If you want to offer alternatives to his mates setup then do it objectively without bickering.

There we go.. that says it just nicely

thanks to all for the info again

and to toughnut n ruffy this is the case

basically im happy with my mates set up, and i was prepared to go rancho

it was the the fact of the price tag for 4 shocks [ruff price indication ] of a $1000 rancho

and was just interested in other brand of shocks that can do the same,travel n effectiveness in wich i require
for a less of a price tag without skinping on quality

as my build still requires more money throwing at it to get it up n running again

IMO.....Rancho if price is the issue as you can adjust and play with it a little to get the valving acceptable.........or get a mono tube made valved corectly to the vehicle and use. To get the correct valving ou will need to get spring rate, weights etc

i think valving is more critical if the car was going to be run in a baja style of comp/off road racer , wich it isn't

when the car is crawling around off road is valving going to be that critical?

IMO.....Rancho if price is the issue as you can adjust and play with it a little to get the valving acceptable.........

Good Point.

It depends on wether the adjustment makes valving changes, or only adjusts rebound, like Koni, valving isnt difficult, and it doesnt depend on spring rate as much as it does vehicle weight. Shocks arent as complicated as you would think.

To put it simply, even for slow offroad, as one pointed out, a vehicle either handles, or it doesnt, how many % improvement you can make to one that does handle is tedious, and incremental, fixing simple" bolt on " solutions which arent fitted, tested, or valved to suit what we do locally, is to expect average, at best, performance for your money, which is fine if that is what you want.

At least buying something tested, and designed to suit what we drive can give you better bang for your $, than just brand recognition.

Good suspension isnt difficult, just most never really experience it, because they think a minor increase on what they had, which may, or may not of been good, must be better, without looking at what is worth achieving, sometimes for little more, or sometimes less money than buying "brand" names, and changing a bit at a time.

If you want to improve what you do, near enough is never good enough, and data and information always helps you make an IMFORMED decision to find an answer to a question.

where are the pics plowly????