Outer Limits 4x4 Board

This is a question for a mate:

60' series, wants to run 35's has 2" body lift and looking at going 4" spring lift, anything to watch out for?? pinion angles or slip yokes or anything else. It is a diesel 2h with 5 speed and front detroit.

cheers

Nic

drop the body and SOA!! cheaper and better

He'd be lucky if the 2H will turn 35's, even with a turbo. My 60 was flat out pushing 33's. With a 4" spring lift, the tyres rubbed on the inside of the guards, which lifting the body won't help. The fronts used to catch on the row of bolts on the top of the guards 60's brakes aren't that flash, either, so consider the extra effort required to stop a bigger wheel

bj on roids wrote:drop the body and SOA!! cheaper and better

I'll second that. And put the detroit in the rear, or weld the rear. Just do something with the rear.

he is now thinking 6.5 diesel conversion. will brakes need to be upgraded? He is still thinking of 4" lift because spring over is illegal in west oz and it has to go over the pits fro the engine.

cheers

nic

I can think of PLENTY of better things to spend $10G on than a 6.5 diesel conversion. If you can't go the springover, keep the bodylift and go with the 3-4" suspension lift and 35z. The 2H will handle them easy as will the brakes.

I'll second that!! Jeremy (Surf) speaks from experience.... in other words my car. My 60. Stock 2H (well, snorkel, exhaust, extractors) turns 35" MTR's, stock gearing, 290 000km old clutch. Fairly flat (sagging) stock springs at stock height, 3" body lift, slightly cut front inner guards, and on cruiser offset 15x8's, they JUST kiss the springs on full lock.... but nothing to even worry about. You can even take the sway bar off the front, and the tyres stuff nicely, but just miss touching anything important.

2" body and 2" spring should clear the 35s fine.... but 3" spring might be the go just to be safe.... unless he wants to go to 3" body, and he will be laughing.

Brakes shouldn't be a worry.... myne go quite fine. If you are worried, I think the easiest upgrade is 75 series calipers on the front, and a rear disc conversion was offered to me for $130 (plus rotors) by a fella off the cruiser list. Fairly straight forward. I wouldn't worry. He may have to do the brakes if he goes a V8 though.

Personally, I would leave the 2H where it is.... maybe a turbo and a set of diff ratios, but really, they do the job very finely with 35z. Is he after a bush car?? A mud car?? Desert car?? A rock hopper??

Oh yeah.... and I have a welded rear diff pushing me along too.

Cheers. Dan

your mate wants a V8, has he considered a gear reduction from marks?



NICK

dansTOYOwagon wrote:I'll second that!! Jeremy (Surf) speaks from experience.... in other words my car. My 60. Stock 2H (well, snorkel, exhaust, extractors) turns 35" MTR's, stock gearing, 290 000km old clutch. Fairly flat (sagging) stock springs at stock height, 3" body lift, slightly cut front inner guards, and on cruiser offset 15x8's, they JUST kiss the springs on full lock.... but nothing to even worry about. You can even take the sway bar off the front, and the tyres stuff nicely, but just miss touching anything important.

2" body and 2" spring should clear the 35s fine.... but 3" spring might be the go just to be safe.... unless he wants to go to 3" body, and he will be laughing.

Brakes shouldn't be a worry.... myne go quite fine. If you are worried, I think the easiest upgrade is 75 series calipers on the front, and a rear disc conversion was offered to me for $130 (plus rotors) by a fella off the cruiser list. Fairly straight forward. I wouldn't worry. He may have to do the brakes if he goes a V8 though.

Personally, I would leave the 2H where it is.... maybe a turbo and a set of diff ratios, but really, they do the job very finely with 35z. Is he after a bush car?? A mud car?? Desert car?? A rock hopper??

Oh yeah.... and I have a welded rear diff pushing me along too.

Cheers. Dan

whoever said 75 series calipers is an upgrade a h0m0 they are exactly the same the vented calipers on both model *J60 *J75 are the same part number and everything apart from the J6 or J7 designation,

unless they meant HZJ75?? but they will not fit, for a whole group of other reasons which i won't go into right here, including rotor spacing, rotor width, caliper pattern, caliper size, ummm, knuckle size and so forth

Roktruk wrote:He'd be lucky if the 2H will turn 35's, even with a turbo. My 60 was flat out pushing 33's. With a 4" spring lift, the tyres rubbed on the inside of the guards, which lifting the body won't help. The fronts used to catch on the row of bolts on the top of the guards 60's brakes aren't that flash, either, so consider the extra effort required to stop a bigger wheel

you my friend dont know jack

i ran 35s with a 4 cylinder diesel!

the body lift will help the tyres scrubbing issue!!


but anyways, if he cant push 35s and is too scared to lift it and the brakes wont work (keep in mind i have toyota 4 wheel disc brakes) and streeted 35s for 3 years, and now i can pull 42s up with them no problem, so clearly he is doing something wrong! my 2H also pushes 42s, so i dont know where *to enrages by h0m0sexual know it all to continue*

i love all the experts that come out and say this or that cna or cant be done, when theyve never tried it and clearly have no idea

Cool. thanks BJ. Obviously I was slightly misleaded in that regard (front calipers). My bad. *curses know it all LC list* I actually even have the email still, but it dosen't matter.... I will quizz the guy on the issue 8)

Dan

I think he wants a general 4x4 for everything without too much extreme stuff, a locker is going in the back and he is going for the 35's and then see what the motor will do, we have a lot of beaches and with the diesel you just need more power,

three of my mates have the 6.5 and 6.2 in differing bodies.

cheers

Nic

bj on roids wrote:

Roktruk wrote:He'd be lucky if the 2H will turn 35's, even with a turbo. My 60 was flat out pushing 33's. With a 4" spring lift, the tyres rubbed on the inside of the guards, which lifting the body won't help. The fronts used to catch on the row of bolts on the top of the guards 60's brakes aren't that flash, either, so consider the extra effort required to stop a bigger wheel

you my friend dont know jack

i ran 35s with a 4 cylinder diesel!

the body lift will help the tyres scrubbing issue!!


but anyways, if he cant push 35s and is too scared to lift it and the brakes wont work (keep in mind i have toyota 4 wheel disc brakes) and streeted 35s for 3 years, and now i can pull 42s up with them no problem, so clearly he is doing something wrong! my 2H also pushes 42s, so i dont know where *to enrages by h0m0sexual know it all to continue*

i love all the experts that come out and say this or that cna or cant be done, when theyve never tried it and clearly have no idea

I joined this forum to exchange info, not to be insulted. I will take my 20 years experience and Mechanical Engineering degree, and continue to express my opinions. Practical and LEGAL don't necessarily mean the same thing.

nicbeer wrote:spring over is illegal in west oz

Prove it.

Roktruk wrote:

I joined this forum to exchange info, not to be insulted.

I think you joined the wrong forum. Everyone gets insulted here.

as far as the police is concerned anyway, this is going to be a daily driver, the police are idiots over here.

a friend is converting his back to spua to get over the pits in his 45' series because of this fact.

nic

dansTOYOwagon wrote:Cool. thanks BJ. Obviously I was slightly misleaded in that regard (front calipers). My bad. *curses know it all LC list* I actually even have the email still, but it dosen't matter.... I will quizz the guy on the issue 8)

Dan

fine...dont beleive me, i dont have 20 years experience or a mechanical engineering degree, nor do i have my head up my a$$, but i know about landcruisers, and from 1981 to 1989 ALL landcruisers, with front disc brakes used the same calipers!! the calipers are a four piston aluminium design, manufactured by aisin, yes, no degrees here, im a floor sweeper by trade BUT, challenge him to get over here and post ME up some pics

thanks, or gimme his email ill sort him out myself!

cheers
rob

what an engineer wont even give you a cert for it ???

Roktruk wrote:

bj on roids wrote:

Roktruk wrote:He'd be lucky if the 2H will turn 35's, even with a turbo. My 60 was flat out pushing 33's. With a 4" spring lift, the tyres rubbed on the inside of the guards, which lifting the body won't help. The fronts used to catch on the row of bolts on the top of the guards 60's brakes aren't that flash, either, so consider the extra effort required to stop a bigger wheel

you my friend dont know jack

i ran 35s with a 4 cylinder diesel!

the body lift will help the tyres scrubbing issue!!


but anyways, if he cant push 35s and is too scared to lift it and the brakes wont work (keep in mind i have toyota 4 wheel disc brakes) and streeted 35s for 3 years, and now i can pull 42s up with them no problem, so clearly he is doing something wrong! my 2H also pushes 42s, so i dont know where *to enrages by h0m0sexual know it all to continue*

i love all the experts that come out and say this or that cna or cant be done, when theyve never tried it and clearly have no idea

I joined this forum to exchange info, not to be insulted. I will take my 20 years experience and Mechanical Engineering degree, and continue to express my opinions. Practical and LEGAL don't necessarily mean the same thing.

you never once mentioned either practical NOR legal, you simply said, and you can quote yourself: see above just there, it will be lucky to turn, them my 60 was lucky to turn 33s etc, and then you mention

"with all your 20 years of expereince and engineering degree" that bigger wheels need bigger brakes to stop them

man, im a floor sweeper, i do this to pay my bills and my rent, BUT even without 20 years of experience or a degree, i DO KNOW that different wheel sizes will not affect braking, you can read about it in your main roads spec sheets, it will be the tyre widths, and rolling diameter

TYRE not WHEEL, affects safe braking distance, sorry for not having your knowledge, oh master, why then did you run 33s? were you attempting to endanger the lives of others on the street?

while we are on safe braking distance, a 40 series weighing at 2240kg loaded, with equal brakes to a 2800kg 60 series, or even the upgraded brake package should stop quicker because it is lighter correct? so was i unsafe doing what i did? if it was inside RTA specs?

hmmmmmm i dunno, might go and get me a degree, and put my head up my a$$ to find the answer to this one!!

tune in next week kids, for another episode of arrogant mofo.com

Roktruk wrote:

bj on roids wrote:

Roktruk wrote:He'd be lucky if the 2H will turn 35's, even with a turbo. My 60 was flat out pushing 33's. With a 4" spring lift, the tyres rubbed on the inside of the guards, which lifting the body won't help. The fronts used to catch on the row of bolts on the top of the guards 60's brakes aren't that flash, either, so consider the extra effort required to stop a bigger wheel

you my friend dont know jack

i ran 35s with a 4 cylinder diesel!

the body lift will help the tyres scrubbing issue!!


but anyways, if he cant push 35s and is too scared to lift it and the brakes wont work (keep in mind i have toyota 4 wheel disc brakes) and streeted 35s for 3 years, and now i can pull 42s up with them no problem, so clearly he is doing something wrong! my 2H also pushes 42s, so i dont know where *to enrages by h0m0sexual know it all to continue*

i love all the experts that come out and say this or that cna or cant be done, when theyve never tried it and clearly have no idea

I joined this forum to exchange info, not to be insulted. I will take my 20 years experience and Mechanical Engineering degree, and continue to express my opinions. Practical and LEGAL don't necessarily mean the same thing.

Isn't a 2H 4 litres or some such size? 2 litre hiluxes will turn 35's all day, every day. That engine should have power to spare..

Roktruk wrote:I joined this forum to exchange info, not to be insulted. I will take my 20 years experience and Mechanical Engineering degree, and continue to express my opinions. Practical and LEGAL don't necessarily mean the same thing.

a single tear rolls down my cheek, if you cant stand the heat, go back to your nannas house, take your degree and your old man status with you

bj on roids wrote:
man, im a floor sweeper, i do this to pay my bills and my rent, BUT even without 20 years of experience or a degree, i DO KNOW that different wheel sizes will not affect braking, you can read about it in your main roads spec sheets, it will be the tyre widths, and rolling diameter [quote="bj on roids.

bj: doesn't 35' tyres affect the rolling diameter over the 31x10.5 which seem to be standard on the 60 series. no including the skinnies


Engineer approved maybe but not without extensive work I think, i have not looked into it too much but have been thinking of it for my zook.

2H has the torque but not outright power=speed for sand challenges.


cheers

nic

nicbeer the information you have asked for has been given check danstoyowagoins post

if you want to start an argument with me begin it in PMs or email

ill just say quickly:
old mate NEVER mentioned tyre sizes, or standard size tyres, he simply said "it would not do it" only now he is saying it is unsafe, this was clearly not his concern, he is merely clutching at straws, also read what i said about weight, weight is the biggest concern IMO
there was nothing mentioned about sand work by old mate!!

and you driving a zook, know all about how a 2H has the right torque but the wrong power, sorry to even try to help you guys, you seem to do fine with your 20 years experience in different cars with your fancy degrees

My truck gasps for breath, and spits out loads of black shit, and it will still sit on 140 on the freeway, it will pull up most sand dunes, it will wheel stand up rock ledges, and will turn 35z with stock gearing at un-heard of rpm's (as in very very low rpms) and also very very high rpms!!! 4.0L str8 six

And BJ.... I am totally agreeing with you about the calipers. I was had. The dude was wrong obviously. I didn;t think about it. I re-stated the supposed 'fact' and then I accepted correction

thanks dude, although you dont have an engineering degree how did you ever get your truck to turn those 35s?

and once you got it going how did you get it stopped?

did you use your engineering degree as a wheel chock or as filler in the brake pads?

on a lighter note thanks for that dan, and thanks for your reply before, in the face of such adversity, you put your opinions and experiences in there, and i think you WERE highly qualified to give that answer, so top marks dude

thanks

What a tool!!!

My old worn out POS 3B 4 cylinder turns 35's and she pulls up unreal with discs on the front and drums on the rear.

Rockp00f you win "KNOB HEAD OF THE WEEK AWARD"

nicbeer wrote:as far as the police is concerned anyway, this is going to be a daily driver, the police are idiots over here.

a friend is converting his back to spua to get over the pits in his 45' series because of this fact.

nic

Did he have an engineer look at it? An engineers certificate will go a long way to getting a SOA truck legally on the road. How can they knock back SO cruzahs when every 4x4 Hilux ever made has at least one axle SOA?

2car wrote:

nicbeer wrote:Did he have an engineer look at it? An engineers certificate will go a long way to getting a SOA truck legally on the road. How can they knock back SO cruzahs when every 4x4 Hilux ever made has at least one axle SOA?

you would think so, i even argued the point with QLDT a number of times and they said no way, the law here (when i did my SOA) said the suspension can be lifted 1/3 of the bump stop travel, now a SOA ISNT lifting the suspension at all, yet they didnt see it that way.

It is also illegal to swap in SOA diffs to a SUA model.


NICK

NICK wrote:

2car wrote:

nicbeer wrote:Did he have an engineer look at it? An engineers certificate will go a long way to getting a SOA truck legally on the road. How can they knock back SO cruzahs when every 4x4 Hilux ever made has at least one axle SOA?

you would think so, i even argued the point with QLDT a number of times and they said no way, the law here (when i did my SOA) said the suspension can be lifted 1/3 of the bump stop travel, now a SOA ISNT lifting the suspension at all, yet they didnt see it that way.

It is also illegal to swap in SOA diffs to a SUA model.


NICK

A bloke in the ACT was told that he would never be able to license his car while it was powered by a 27 litre V12 Rolls Royce Merlin. He bypassed the people at the desks and the people that answer the phones, and wrote to the minister for transport. It is now road legal and will be appearing at this year's Summernats.

If you don't have any luck at the bottom, work you way up the chain.