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Post by scorched »

I have decided to stik a v8 in my mq swb patrol. Im reletivily new to 4wd or any mechanicle stuff and i was wonderin the best way to get it done.

My budget is about $2000 and because i dont have a clue what to do. i was thinkn that it might be a good idea to buy an already converted v8 mq patrol out of the trading post for bout 2000 and then that way it has all the stuff already done and i just have to swap it over into mine.

does any one think this is a good idea or would i be better off simply buying the motor seperate then working out how to put it in. The wreckers said they will charge me 300 buks to chuck in the motor but im unshaw about all the hidden costs of adapters and gauges etc... Also i have read that the clutch dusnt fare to well with the v8 and wonderin wat i could do to make it stronger?

any replys would be greatly appreiciated
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Post by ToNkA »

Me thinks you will need more than $2000
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Post by scorched »

i can spend more if i need to its just a matter of how long i have to save for. i cant be stuffed waiting for all the money i need and i just want to get it underway. I can afford to have the vehicle offthe raod so im not fussed about it not being able to be driven for a while.
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Post by greg »

terrytuffnut wrote:i can spend more if i need to its just a matter of how long i have to save for. i cant be stuffed waiting for all the money i need and i just want to get it underway. I can afford to have the vehicle offthe raod so im not fussed about it not being able to be driven for a while.


I don't have any experience with patrols - but i know of a rule of thumb that says that any engine conversion will end up costing double what ever you thought it was going to cost... I know that was true of mine :cry:
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Post by scorched »

how much should i pay for the motor and what was the total amount for all the other stuff?

also im thinkn a holden 308 because it seems to be best value for money but what about ford, chev or hemi motors? whats the best value v8 motor?
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Post by Kev80 »

If you are serious i would hold off & do your homework first & have everything planed to detail before starting as there are alot of hidden costs.

I personaly would only consider a Chev engine as they are far seperior to Holden.

You would be looking at about $5k + if not doing it yourself i recon, the bell housing adaptor kit will be atleast $1200 by itself.

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Post by GRIMACE »

i dont know about bein far superior if at all.
I would prefer the Holden 308red (blue & blacks were shit) motor, has much more power than a chev 305, and about the same output as a 350chev.
Shure the holdens need alittle bit more revs but they got plenty of guts.

thats my 00.0069c worth :D

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Post by humphey »

have u considerd a efi falcon 250 or a late modle 4 litre out of a ed or el falcon , cheaper rego ,better on feul , plenty of low down power, i have one in a short wheel base cruiser ute it goes very well ,very happy with it ,just somthing to think about :D
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Post by scorched »

castlemain rod shop has the bellhouse convertor kit for $360 off memory, $1200 sounds a bit high
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Post by Kev80 »

AnthonyP wrote:i dont know about bein far superior if at all.


The Chev is 100% beter than the old holden V8's, iv rebuilt & owned both !
253, 308 Holden.
327, 350 Chev.

The Holden V8 was originaly a Buick engine but was shelved due to its poor valve train system (your've heard the Holden ticking away next to you at the lights ).
Holden bought the engines & didn't fix anything, just threw them in.

Plus there are sh!t loads of aftermarket performance bits avalable for the Chev too.

The main reason people use the Holden engine in conversions are that they are cheap & easy to find.
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Post by MKPatrolGuy »

I am in the final stages of doing a chev conversion in my Patrol. I bought another MQ with the motor and 5 speed box in it and swapped them over. Did simplify things a bit, but there is still quite a few fiddly things to do.
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Post by Punchy »

Kev80 wrote:
AnthonyP wrote:i dont know about bein far superior if at all.


The Chev is 100% beter than the old holden V8's, iv rebuilt & owned both !
253, 308 Holden.
327, 350 Chev.

The Holden V8 was originaly a Buick engine but was shelved due to its poor valve train system (your've heard the Holden ticking away next to you at the lights ).
Holden bought the engines & didn't fix anything, just threw them in.

Plus there are sh!t loads of aftermarket perpormance bits avalable for the Chev too.

The main reason people use the Holden engine in conversions are that they are cheap & easy to find.



Sorry I've seen some Bullshit in my days, but thats a very biased and ill informed approach you have there old son. Not slammin' you but hey...
If you think that, you can stay back in the dark ages all you like.
Round you up and go past you everytime, as i have all to many times before from people with comments like that.

Now the black and white facts.
A factory vn onwards commordore v8 engine will give you good service and a favorably lend to a engine conversion with minimal expense and modifications required to the engine to prevent oil surge and control. The late v8 holden efi engine has good after market performance products avaliable if required and lends itself to modification...if so required. Combined with the factory auto trans, your onto a winnah !


Any chev conversion is firstly inhibited by the first common fact of.
The engine is not produced locally. Importations and serviceable components are not a readily avaliable as that of its aussie counter part.
Chev engines (all be that old school engines) are deemed performance application engines and thusly regular spare parts suppliers do no commonly stock out of date chev components, and the ones that do expect to charge you like a wounded bull. An import used chev donk also runs the risk of high mileage and freeze cracks in the blocks.
The number of importers of chev engines I believe has also dropped due to lack of demand and increased importation costs.
(Example...ring the boys at superformance in brisbane and just see how many engine they imported in the last year..the also have nil Big block stock as well)


I've owned and built many of these engines in the past as well. Side by side, they both have awesome potential. The only thing i faulter the aussie engine on is it head stud configuration which can lead to blown head gaskets more readily in over heated situations. 4bolts v's 5 bolts.

Heads studs and o'ringed blocks on both engines leads to trouble free motoring.
Power output is much the same in given capacity engines.
aussie senator 355 v's chev 350...aussie donk wins every day.
Well thats been in my dealings.


F.o.r.d engines can be a viable option as well for bang / buck option as well.

It just a shame no one does a big block chrysler adaption for conversions here as they are readiliy avaliable now and can be had for as little as $600 for a running engine..
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Post by bundytunna »

u could go preety much anyt engine u want form 253 to 7.4 td v8
id suggest sumin like a 308 coz they r cheap and u will always find bits for em
the best choice for bellhousings, adapters etc are either from castlemaine rod shop or marks 4wd adapters
both very highly regarded
like u sed u could buy a another mq with a v8 then swap all the shit u need ova and then wreck the rest of the car
ull get some money back this way
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Post by Kev80 »

Punchy wrote: thats a very biased and ill informed approach you have there old son. .


If you read my post i said "old Holden V8" ie, 253 & 308 witch seem to be the common conversion, Iv never realy delt with the newer injected ones latley. Like my diesels these days.
My coments end with the VN & yours start there.

Punchy wrote:Power output is much the same in given capacity engines.
aussie senator 355 v's chev 350...aussie donk wins every day.


Are you comparing a modern chiped/injected engine against an old carby engine of the same cubic size ? :roll:
Arn't the new Holdens Chevs now anyway ?
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Post by Shorty40 »

Kev80 wrote:The main reason people use the Holden engine in conversions are that they are cheap & easy to find.


BINGO :D

I think that is what the dude is after :roll: ;)
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Post by V8Patrol »

see thread ..............

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... 437#103437

or PM me and I'll send ya in the right direction.

Rule number one for engine conversions..... change one thing and expect to change 10 more little things, and for those ten expect 10 more inconvienences.

Rule number two for engine conversions..... see rule number one!!! :finger:
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Post by GRIMACE »

Shorty40 wrote:
Kev80 wrote:The main reason people use the Holden engine in conversions are that they are cheap & easy to find.


BINGO :D

I think that is what the dude is after :roll: ;)



Thats why I sugested and older 308 :D
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Post by scorched »

wats an efi conversion worth?
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Post by GRIMACE »

I dont know but I just searched for something and come across a place called COMO or something and IT WAS DAMN EXPENSIVE :shock:
6600 Dollars i dont know if its a mistype or if its got more than you need but SHIT thats crap I though it would be less than that.

That ute still went hard........ now I know why he wanted nearly 12G's for it (1983 lux it was in great condition though).
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