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hey guys me lux is havin trouble goin in to second gear, not havin any trouble with any other gear only second dose any one hav any ideas????? i thought it might hav been me clutch for a sec but i dunno im not a transmission guy! so any help would be apreciated!

cheers
tyler

cold,hot or all the time.

sounds like a syncro has gone try running a thi9nner oil may be one that is detergent based to clean any crap out.

I have exactly the same problem with my 4runner. From 1st to 2nd is usually OK but from 3rd back to 2nd is a problem. You need to tickle it in.... sort of double clutch it. Tried changing to thinner oil but still happens.

I just changed my rear diff centre to 4.8 (from 4.5...... need a front one now) and the problem is still there but is much better. I thought it would have made it worse.

Like simkell said...... I think its the syncro.


Ricky

I have exactly the same problem with my 4runner. From 1st to 2nd is usually OK but from 3rd back to 2nd is a problem. You need to tickle it in.... sort of double clutch it. Tried changing to thinner oil but still happens.

I just changed my rear diff centre to 4.8 (from 4.5...... need a front one now) and the problem is still there but is much better. I thought it would have made it worse.

Like simkell said...... I think its the syncro.


Ricky

My 4Runner does the same.
It's a pain but otherwise the gearbox works well.

Mainly happens when the cars cold.

I will worry about it when I lose second or something drastic like that.

Struth.

If it only hapens when it is cold 9 times out of 10 it is because of the oil is in need for a change to something a bit thinner. My 80 has this problem now I just have to get motivated to do something about it.

Sounds like thinner oil may be the go. Mine has whatever the caryard threw at it before putting it on the block, could be anything really.

I will try some new standard viscosity oil and hopefully it will help.

It is a worry when your gearbox does not perform as well as you would like and expensive if it up and Sh-ts itself.

Cheers Struth.

I would be interested to know if the thinner oil worked for you. I tried it but it only made it slightly better.

Ricky

hey fellas and hey tyler.what you been doin man? my lux is the same to, 1st to 2nd and 3rd back to 2nd,2nds just shit house especially when cold.first gear change each mornin is nearly impossible so im thinkin a thinner oil may help me a bit hey?

Just as a point of interest..........

My clutch master cylinder died the other day. Installed a new one (non-genuine $89.00) and it improved my gear change into 2nd a bit more. The problem did not go away 100%........ but it is better.

I didn't realise how bad my clutch was generally operating as I was so used to it. Much smoother action now

Ricky

Rixrunner I have considered that it may be a clutch travel problem, mainly because the problem is a lot worse when my left foot gets lazy and does not depress the clutch all the way to the floor and it still only happens in second.

how much did your clutch work cost

Cheers Struth

The work cost me a total of $187.00 including 1 hour labour, fluid and the master cylinder. I have a good machenic that looks after me (although he is a LPG installer so he is as busy as at the moment) I got non genuine as the Toyota master cylinder was $300+.

Let me stress the going into 2nd problem did not totally go away.... but it did improve it. However, the clutch feels sooooo much better now.

I am not recomending to run out and do it, but if you clutch action has been a bit suspect (dropping to the floor on ocation.... especially when hot) then I would get it checked out.

Ricky

you don't have a body lift, do you?


that'll stop clean gear changes every time

no...... don't have a body lift...... yet

Are you saying that the body lift makes it worse

Ricky

So what vscosity should the oil be? I have the same early morning prob in the lux and very occasionly at the lights. Also is the filler similar to most boxes through the shifter hole?

Well done my gearbox oil change and used synthetic gear oil and it made the change a lot better but not perfect. As the 80s use 3.9 lts of oil I draind 500ml and added 500ml of auto trans oil and what a diffrance,
I've never had such a smooth change. By the way I seeked advice from 3 machanic shops before I did it. Let me know how you go.

my 80 used to do it now i run a detergent based engine oil in my gear box for the last 60 000 km. it improved my gear changes to no end, and yes a bit of atf may help to. still think it is a syncro prob.

Definately has to be synchro, this is the gear you really give hell changing to get off the mark or if ya see Harold Scruby crossing the road.

Seems to happen a bit in trucks between 2nd and 3rd, same deal. Well thats how it was explained to me and it makes sense.

Double shuffle between first and second, simply pull the clutch out and push it back in while you are changing up and give a few revs as you change down. If it then is still a pita get it repaired.

Chuck a banana skin in there

Try Castrol Multitrax

I had the same problem in my GQ and it has made it way better. Not perfect but much better. And for $36 it was cheaper than a rebuild.

rixrunner wrote:no...... don't have a body lift...... yet

Are you saying that the body lift makes it worse

Ricky

it will if you don't either:

extend your gearstick / cut out a larger hole in the floor pan

pull with your left arm that way you can pull it into gear easier. yeah lux's run castrol multi trax or you can run syntax (a heap more$)