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just wondering what the best drining lights out there are and peoples opinions ? ( not Hid )

electrical section perhaps?

micka1 wrote:just wondering what the best drining lights out there are and peoples opinions ? ( not Hid )

Best for what?????????????????

Old question that has been done to death elswhere.....

There is no "best", only the most appropriate for your driving requirements in your situation on your budget.

You want the "best" tyre on your "best" 4WD too???

lightforce xgt or any of the light force range

GRINCH wrote:lightforce xgt or any of the light force range

x2

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kinglakekustoms wrote:i would rather push my toyota than ride in your nissan ....

To pinch someone else's retort:
You'll probably have to.

lol ill pay that .but its not stolen its mearly an admiration of sum1 elses sticker of back of 4bie . lets not hijack micka1
thread lol

Micka, Ive got IPF800's x 2 sets, IPF 900's x 2 sets, and a set of cibie super oscars. The Cibies are by far with out a doubt better than the IPFs for my applications, (These are all spot, not spread) however, if i were to do it again, I would go light force. Strong body, light weight, great light output, interchangeable lenses.

Jooga

LIGHTFORCE XGT'S!!!!!

I bought myself a set on friday arvo and my god they are the best (non HID) light ive driven behind, wouldnt waste my time looking at anything else!!!!

my $0.02 worth

Yeh i would agree i got 2x lightforce 240's up front they're awsome, especially with those ligth blue covers makes the light heaps better.

XGT's
Blitz
Bosch compass
IPF 900's
Hella Rallye 4000's
Hella Bull Lamps

If you wanna do it on the cheapie, jump on to ebay, buy a set of cruddy H3 bull lights for nix. Or spend $50.00 and buy a pair of 2nd hand IPF 800's or IPF 900's for next-to-nix. Buy a H3 HID kit. (One went for $159.00 on friday or saturday). Chuck them in. Sweet.

Big Red Toy wrote: Hella Bull Lamps

have u seen the size of those things, wait till they get them in a HID, that will kill

Nightstalkers are apparently good for what you pay.


I'M NOT SAYING THEIR THE FONSHIZNIT, BUT GOOD FOR WHAT YOU PAY!!!
So don't bite my head off

i like my ipf's, but i wish i had hella ralle 4000's

all depends on room and what style you are after.

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:

Big Red Toy wrote: Hella Bull Lamps

have u seen the size of those things, wait till they get them in a HID, that will kill

Why so funny a Hella Bull is only slightly larger in diameter then a Lightforce 240 Blitz, and the one most consider a 'bull light' is smaller in diameter. The only thing is they have a bulkier body and mounting system then the Lightforce.

i have run in the past night stalker 170s great lil light and cheap $130 a pair and i now run ralley 4000s the diff being the mounting strength the light from the lil 170s is almost the same(pencil beam) as my pencil beam ralleys altho because of there shear size u get a better spread from the ralley where in the 170s are a very direct light i wouldnt recomend a spot spread combo in either just adjust them correctly i can see a good 500-700ms up the road and bout 25ms off the road either side at bout half way up the beam for me this is perfect
Cheers

All comes down to how much room you have on the front of I my lux I was going to put Lightforce 240's but when I sized then I reckon they are going to cut out too much air flow to radiator, so instead have gone for the IPF 800's.

I think for the amount of nightdriving I do these should be pretty good.

crunch wrote:Nightstalkers are apparently good for what you pay.


I'M NOT SAYING THEIR THE FONSHIZNIT, BUT GOOD FOR WHAT YOU PAY!!!
So don't bite my head off

(oops, My alopogies Micka. I didnt read the "not HID" bit)
Had a set of the big round Nightstalker babies on my old sube wagon (RIP). I actually liked them... But then someone wanted them more than me, and flogged them at Nissan Trials '99. I reckon that they were on par with ya tyical IPF900 / Hella 2000 jobbies.

Also had four "Ashdown" 150 watt sealed beam spotties. They were ok, but on a performance vs sucking amps, they kinda !sucked!. They were drawing close to nearly 50 amps. It was a bit much, especially on a little subey.

those super cheap auto nite stakers are good what u pay for 100w 240mm light set u back $100 for the pair or fo the 160mm which were $120 but u also get wiring fuse no relay but you get a switch

then u got the lightforce range which i heard alot about im going to ge some myself pair of 240 XGT and 2 pairs of 170 XGT both 100w
and maybe the book i saw on ebay to upgrade the wiring loon to take HID globes

www.lightforce.com

www.narva.com.au

have a look there might be somthing u like

and by the way i would no for this 1.5km pencil beam stuff i doubt in 4 wheelin u would ever have to see 1.5km ahead thats if ur eyes are that good tested on the freeway from 1.5km away u seen a green sign glow but u chould never make out what it says

done a night run only a few days ago theres no need to see a tree 1.5km away when the track was pullin to a tight right

and hot tip only mount cheap lights on the bullbar
lightforce light i would mount on top of the bull bar to keep them away from the water of even on the roof rack

replaced to many spotlights not worth the time ripped them off and replacin them

cheers justin

yeh the nitestalkers are quite good for the price.. i have 2 on my paj and 2 on my patrol and they work great. when the paj gets sold il be putting 4 on the patrol and see how it goes

My nighstalkers were Ok for the price but the both rattled apart on the Cape.. . Have IPF 900 now they are excellent

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I'm in Brisbane, and the QLD transport modifcation guide for vehicles under 4.5 tonne ( http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... an05v2.pdf ) says "Additional PAIRS of headlights...may be fitted and must not affect the driver’s view. The headlights must be mounted symmetrically."

Regardless of the mention of "pairs" in the QLD Transport guide (which I suspect may be laxed somewhat), I am intending on mounting 3 spotlights (2 spreads and one pencil/spot) probably IPF900XS (http://www.arb.com.au/IPF_AU_900XS.php), but I'm wondering if others have used THREE (3) spotlights in this arrangement and if there is benefit to this (however minor); OR is there no additional benefit compared to running two (2) lights (e.g. one spread, one pencil)? I'm not keen on other lights except one other lights I'm considering are Cibie Oscar SC's which no one seems to talk about - why? (http://www.4x4store.com.au/Cibie-Oscar- ... 25165.html) - can the beam patterns be believed for these Cibie's? : http://cibie.valeoservice.com/html/uk/p ... 24DB1108D4

Also, does anyone know if the H9 globes used in the IPF900's are durable and likely cost of replacement in comparison to, say, comparable lamps which use H1 globes? Also why are they the only lamps (that I can see anyhow - excuse pun) that use H9's and not H1 and the like as used in other lamps?

Pete.

I had IPFs and replaced with Cibie Super Oscar ... thought they were b---dy good with 100w lamps, then added HIDs to them (35w 6000k) and turned them into f-----g awesome. The light output is fantastic and improved the lights heaps.
try a cheaper light and add HIDs, overall not much more than a good pair of lights with 100w lamps, wiring, relays etc...

I've had 3 sets of lightforce 240 Blitz, 1st ones were pinched, the second set were replaced under warranty because thereflector was pitting, the third I just sold as the reflector was pitting. They are an awsome light in terms of output and weight, but I doubt their longevity and am looking at other at the moment to replace them. The distance with the l/f's is fantastic, and with the combo covers gives a great spread of light, however the old Cibie super oscars may have been better, although not as bright.

You haven't said what vehicle or its use,
but if these lights are going to see any water go sealed beams.
Peter.

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droopypete
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:17 pm

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You haven't said what vehicle or its use,
but if these lights are going to see any water go sealed beams.
Peter.

Peter - my light purchase is intended for my 91 4Runner SR5 and for touring and bush camping - nothing major, but just me and the stars and the wide open spaces! I've got crappy IPF dual reflector 55W spots at the moment (they are 968SC's combined spot/driving). I'm getting a bigger bullbar for better lights (channel is too narrow on my current older bar).

I'm new to 4WDing, but suppose I'll at least be going through some water (creek crossings etc) from time to time, but no submarine stuff!:shock: The IPF 900XS's are 'sealed' for short duration submersion, so is that what you mean by "sealed beam"???...Isn't it the case if you break a lens in a sealed beam light, then you need to replace the whole light, not just the lens!? (although I suppose if you sink a unsealed light you've still gotta buy a new one, huh! ) Regardless, what sealed beam lights would you recommend for touring/camping?

PS Any idea if the Cibie SC's are sealed beam?

Pete.

LuckyLegs wrote:

Peter - my light purchase is intended for my 91 4Runner SR5 and for touring and bush camping - nothing major, but just me and the stars and the wide open spaces! I've got crappy IPF dual reflector 55W spots at the moment (they are 968SC's combined spot/driving). I'm getting a bigger bullbar for better lights (channel is too narrow on my current older bar).

I'm new to 4WDing, but suppose I'll at least be going through some water (creek crossings etc) from time to time, but no submarine stuff!:shock: The IPF 900XS's are 'sealed' for short duration submersion, so is that what you mean by "sealed beam"???...Isn't it the case if you break a lens in a sealed beam light, then you need to replace the whole light, not just the lens!? (although I suppose if you sink a unsealed light you've still gotta buy a new one, huh! ) Regardless, what sealed beam lights would you recommend for touring/camping?

PS Any idea if the Cibie SC's are sealed beam?

Pete.

Pete, the term "sealed beam" means that the filiment is integral with the lamp (meaning that the globes are not replacable) some driving lights are sealed very well but none are waterproofed as well as a sealed beam, lightforce for example, have a good sealing system using a series of O rings around the globe holder, my L/Cruiser (road car fitted with L/Force )dosn't see water like the zook does and I have not had a problem with them, but on a 4x4 that puts its bonnet under the water regularly sealed beams are foolproof.

That said if you are chasing long distance illumination you may be better with something else, my sealed beams have 250 watt lamps in them and they throw an enormous amount of bright, white, light, in a wide circular patern, they have great reach simply from the power of them, but for a long distance pencil type beam you could do better.

I like my light force lights, I like the performace of them, I like the back up they give when there is a problem, and I like the fact that they are made in Australia by Australians, I also liked my super oscars but they kept filling up with water
Peter.