Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Is anyone running these?

Any comments on how they perform........ more to the point has anyone broken these?

Neil cooper runs them in his V8 hilux and to date hasn't busted one. used to bust stockies reasonably regularly.
I'm looking at them my self, i guess it's the only way you can deem front hilux or 60 axles to be "reliable".

Yeah, im running 39.5x16 TSLs on the front and i had a set of Haultec cvs and they lasted me about 5 outings which was really good but i would like something a bit stronger without having to do a diff transplant.

Mate runs 27 spline in his with 35 pedes turbo 2.8D dual transfers and lockright gives it heaps, and just recently broke the short axle. the wheel was really jamed bad in a gap in rocks. i'm about 95% sure it was a stock axle. Looking at getting a 30 spline set-in soon seeing they are like 75 bucks more. Would have got 27's but shagged axle where the inner oil seal is last time i broke a cv. If you're interested should be a good month or 2 before i have the $ to buy all the stuff i want from the usa and looking at bringing it over in a mates dads business container throwing him a few bucks as an incentive. if interested PM me - i'm fairly easy on that time frame. My mate with the 27 spline longs made a good point tho, no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

Sic Lux wrote:My mate with the 27 spline longs made a good point tho, no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

but hubs are easy to change, and are an easy spare to carry... plus hubs are pretty strong as it is, meaning yes you'll break the next weakpoint, but it'll take more force before you break anything

I was hopeing to order a set in the next week ot 2 as the main comp season is begining, i think i might go with the 27 spline set because if you break an axel or birfield you can still fit a standard part to get you by.

I just wonder how much stronger the 30 spline really is.

CV Smasher wrote:I was hopeing to order a set in the next week ot 2 as the main comp season is begining, i think i might go with the 27 spline set because if you break an axel or birfield you can still fit a standard part to get you by.

I just wonder how much stronger the 30 spline really is.

The thing with the whole spares debate is that 1. you will be doing really well to break a 30spline! Guys in the US are running BIG tyres and doing front digs and very rarely breaking them.
And 2. you will still need to carry both inners and 1 CV to be covered for spares be it a 27 or a 30 spline all it means is that if you are running 30 spline and you break a CV you will need to pull the inner as well.

Sic Lux wrote:no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

That is why bobby now makes chromo hub gears or drive flanges and why he does cryo treated crownwheel and pinion sets too .

That is why bobby now makes chromo hub gears or drive flanges

Don't all pro do chromo drive flanges?

CV Smasher wrote:I was hopeing to order a set in the next week ot 2 as the main comp season is begining, i think i might go with the 27 spline set because if you break an axel or birfield you can still fit a standard part to get you by.

I just wonder how much stronger the 30 spline really is.

If you run the 30 spline then you replace the whole shaft with a standard one if it busts. I carry complete shafts anyway, as the spline is usually shagged if a CV busts, and if the shaft busts you need and axle, so just carry complete shafts and use the stronger 30 spline jobbies is my thoughts

ausyota wrote: That is why bobby now makes chromo hub gears or drive flanges and why he does cryo treated crownwheel and pinion sets too .

the boys on ih8mud are saying that he does chromo hub gears not to strengthen the hub, but to protect the spline on your cromo cv. the hub will still break under about the same breaking strain, but it breaks the hub body, not the hub gears. breaking the hub gears can chew out the spline on the cv apparently/

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:My mate with the 27 spline longs made a good point tho, no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

but hubs are easy to change, and are an easy spare to carry... plus hubs are pretty strong as it is, meaning yes you'll break the next weakpoint, but it'll take more force before you break anything

When they break they strip the spline on your cv tho????? then your up for another cv

Sic Lux wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:My mate with the 27 spline longs made a good point tho, no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

but hubs are easy to change, and are an easy spare to carry... plus hubs are pretty strong as it is, meaning yes you'll break the next weakpoint, but it'll take more force before you break anything

When they break they strip the spline on your cv tho????? then your up for another cv

yep, when you break hub gears, you quite often strip the cv spline (well the spline on the stub axle) meaning your up for replacements. that's the idea behind the chromo hub gears, they're cheap insurance as they don't strengthen the hub as such, they move the breaking point to the casing of the free wheeling hub, meaning the spline on the cv has a heaps better chance at surviving, so you don't have to buy a new longfield,

CV Smasher wrote: I just wonder how much stronger the 30 spline really is.

There is a chart near the 30 spline pic. This is the link to it. http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/graph.html

CV Smasher wrote:Yeah, im running 39.5x16 TSLs on the front and i had a set of Haultec cvs and they lasted me about 5 outings which was really good but i would like something a bit stronger without having to do a diff transplant.

Buy the 30 spline super set you will never break them.

I have 2 short side Hilux 30 spline chromo axles if any one is wanting to carry spares just in case. My buggy is now running a 60 series front so the short side axles are no use to me.

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:My mate with the 27 spline longs made a good point tho, no matter how strong your axles/cv's are you will just break the next weakest part ie, hub gears then crown and pinnion gear sets.

but hubs are easy to change, and are an easy spare to carry... plus hubs are pretty strong as it is, meaning yes you'll break the next weakpoint, but it'll take more force before you break anything

When they break they strip the spline on your cv tho????? then your up for another cv

yep, when you break hub gears, you quite often strip the cv spline (well the spline on the stub axle) meaning your up for replacements. that's the idea behind the chromo hub gears, they're cheap insurance as they don't strengthen the hub as such, they move the breaking point to the casing of the free wheeling hub, meaning the spline on the cv has a heaps better chance at surviving, so you don't have to buy a new longfield,

Was wondering that because there is only like 6X10mm studs to hold it in place and the materal isn't that strong either. You would think that would be weaker than a crown and pinion gearset was looking at them but wasn't overly concerned but now looks like the go. worked them out to be round the $91.40 aus each. $842.30 30 spline set without postage $1025 all up 2 hub gears and 30 spline set +P&H could come up with that in 2 weeks i need to do it 31's are so sh*t

Sic Lux wrote:Was wondering that because there is only like 6X10mm studs to hold it in place and the materal isn't that strong either. You would think that would be weaker than a crown and pinion gearset was looking at them but wasn't overly concerned but now looks like the go. worked them out to be round the $91.40 aus each. $842.30 30 spline set without postage $1025 all up 2 hub gears and 30 spline set +P&H could come up with that in 2 weeks i need to do it 31's are so sh*t

dunno about weaker than the crownwheel and pinion, i've snapped landcruiser pinions on 33's. (in the rear) without sheering rear axle studs (same studs that hold the front hubs on)

you could always use some ARP studs for the freewheeling hubs as well.

hey ruff, i thought that it was the long side that was different between hilux/60 series, not the short side

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:Was wondering that because there is only like 6X10mm studs to hold it in place and the materal isn't that strong either. You would think that would be weaker than a crown and pinion gearset was looking at them but wasn't overly concerned but now looks like the go. worked them out to be round the $91.40 aus each. $842.30 30 spline set without postage $1025 all up 2 hub gears and 30 spline set +P&H could come up with that in 2 weeks i need to do it 31's are so sh*t

dunno about weaker than the crownwheel and pinion, i've snapped landcruiser pinions on 33's. (in the rear) without sheering rear axle studs (same studs that hold the front hubs on)

you could always use some ARP studs for the freewheeling hubs as well.

Yeah but rather snap studs or break the outer part of the free wheeling hub than diff gears. Good point tho.

Sic Lux wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

Sic Lux wrote:Was wondering that because there is only like 6X10mm studs to hold it in place and the materal isn't that strong either. You would think that would be weaker than a crown and pinion gearset was looking at them but wasn't overly concerned but now looks like the go. worked them out to be round the $91.40 aus each. $842.30 30 spline set without postage $1025 all up 2 hub gears and 30 spline set +P&H could come up with that in 2 weeks i need to do it 31's are so sh*t

dunno about weaker than the crownwheel and pinion, i've snapped landcruiser pinions on 33's. (in the rear) without sheering rear axle studs (same studs that hold the front hubs on)

you could always use some ARP studs for the freewheeling hubs as well.

Yeah but rather snap studs or break the outer part of the free wheeling hub than diff gears. Good point tho.

yeah, although you can get cryo treated CW and Pinion...

What is the diffrence between hilux and 60s axels?

not not wrote:What is the diffrence between hilux and 60s axels?

hilux axles are like 2-3 inches shorter than a 60 series axle..

cv's are the same

Daisy wrote:

not not wrote:What is the diffrence between hilux and 60s axels?

hilux axles are like 2-3 inches shorter than a 60 series axle..

cv's are the same

PS only on the short side

not not wrote:What is the diffrence between hilux and 60s axels?

As said short side axle is 50mm longer long side is the same.
But i wont be braking that front diff again & costing me 3x 50points
in one day
See you at the finals

where abouts are you guys getting the 27 spline longfields from im chasing some

Bartso wrote:where abouts are you guys getting the 27 spline longfields from im chasing some

Buy direct off Longfield
http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/
They are very easy to deal with.

Ok so who has ordered them? How long did it take for them to be in your hands from the time you ordered them? Also How did you order them, over the phone or via email? How much did it cost you (not including the cvs them selves) in frieght, taxes etc?

Going to order some tomorrow if they`ll be here by vic winch.

depending on what postage option they offer diffrent time periods depending on how much you want to pay fastest is a week i think. Mate orded a set for me last wed so i guess i'll know tomorow or the next (if he's slack at picking them up) i was told around 170 (us i think) for postage for 3 to near brisbane. i'll keep this updated.

Yeah i got them today 7 days after they were ordered

And what was the total cost in the end what you expected you didnt get hit for any extra .....


you must of kept the parts under the 1000aud figure so not get to hit with any extra taxes gst etc


I posted in the 30 spline thread ....about a group buy ....but now decided to just get them in my self although Im also hoping to get the chromo hub gears which means I will have to get them shipped as a separate oder to keep under the 1000aud


Any info from your mate would be kewl


Dan

Cool, means I`ll be making a phone call first thing in the morning then

I`m only getting a pair of the 27 spliners and am not bothering about axles. Only getting these as atm I run a pair of his early modified standard ones and haven`t busted one yet, never even busted an axle, these there for must be strong enough for my driving style, well and I can`t afford any more then them. Only replacing my current ones as they have started clicking.

Yeah just waiting on the credit card bill to come through and i'll post up a final price i only got 27 spline ones in the theory i'd rather replace an axle every now and again than doing a diff alot cheaper thats for sure and a set of axles is easyer to carry than a diff. a mate a little while ago with the 27's done the short side axle so it just goes to show the strenght even of the smaller option.