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HI all im new here im 18 and just brought a vitara jx 1991 modle its a 2 door.I want to lift it and put some muddies under it but not sure about the following things
. if i need new wheels to fit mud tyers
.lift how high and what type
.where to get this stuff done and how much....

im a verry keen off-roader and stock is gay...

thanks .dave

What sort of budget r we talken about????????

I have a 92 vitara 2door and I was able to fit 235/75 R15 (29") muddies on with out modding. You will most likely need bigger rims as not all wheel fitters will but 29" rubber on the stock rims. If you check the for sale section you may find a set of rims with rubber if there is no big rush.

Newport boy huh? don't tell me, if i see you in your car i'll wave

All i can say is get to know your car before you start doing things like wheels, feel how it handles fix it's problems service it regulary.. and n 3 month you comfortable you have exhausted all the things that could be done burn a whole in your pocket with rubber

by the way i also happen to have spare 4 feroza rims, they are 6" and got bald 225 /75 on the which i thinks 28 inches (you don't want to swap do you )

Dunno what your budget is, but if you have a spare $1000, go down to Tempe Tyres. Should get you a set of Sunraysias and 4 235/75 R15's. They will prolly scrub with stock suspension, but if you have a look at Sikid's posts on springs from other vehicles, you should be able to get at least a 2" lift for next to nothing from Pick a Part. 2" lift should give plenty of clearance with no scrubbing with 235/75 15's.

Santos wrote:Newport boy huh? don't tell me, if i see you in your car i'll wave

All i can say is get to know your car before you start doing things like wheels, feel how it handles fix it's problems service it regulary.. and n 3 month you comfortable you have exhausted all the things that could be done burn a whole in your pocket with rubber

by the way i also happen to have spare 4 feroza rims, they are 6" and got bald 225 /75 on the which i thinks 28 inches (you don't want to swap do you )

you dont have a red hard top do you ????

my budget is about a grand at the moment
not sure if this is enough to do enything with.....

no blac soft top sierra

hi david.

is your vit a soft top or a hard top?

and if you have a budget for about a grand, then its either you will have to wait, work and save more money to do the mods you want. a grand can buy you a good set of muddies new, and not retreads. MT/Rs are a very good inbetween tyre. and can be bought for a good amount.

as for lift, well, there are many ways you can go. obviously the ultimate would be a calmini 3" super articulation kit, but for $1800, you could do a lot of other things. you have OME kits, 1" lift, about $1000 or so thereabouts, or tough dog kits from opp lock, and TJM maybe also. around about the same lift, 1"-2" for the same amount of money.

or you could get a 6" (3" really) lift for under $1000.

i have a 3" BL, $350 custom made. my sus lift is all budget, and works for what i want.

if you look in the bible, there are many threads on budget lifting, including coil spacers and coils out of other cars. also rear shocks can be bought cheap if you know what you are looking for. if you cant splash out for OME struts, a strut mount flip might be good enough. it all really depends on what you want your vit to do, and where you drive. i know you want a hunting rig, so you might load up a bit, and maybe a fair bit of mud work.

you can get King springs HD coils, lifted up to 2", and i think for about $150-$200/pair, so $400 for front and back, 1" coil spacers, $100, strut mount flip, free, commo shocks for the back, $150, and you should be riding about 3" taller. with a 3" BL, you will be able to fit 31"s comfortably.

i did not say anything on how well this combo goes, as i have not tried it, but others may forward input to how good king springs are. they also do custom coils, so if you know what you are after, it might be better.

but all up, for about $1000, you can have 3" sus lift, and 3" BL running stock wheels and tyres. then there is the extractors, and 2" exhaust, and the lockers, and so on. IMHO, a rear locker is best, leaving the front unlocked is better. then there is the weber, but horses for courses.

a 91 model JX manual, should be carby, and should have 5.12 diff gears already, so you should be good with gearing and 31"s. i used to run 33"s, and will again soon, with stock gearing.

also, here are some other ideas:

rear storage:



tube bars: (and flex pics)



coil spacer:


might need one of these for a 3" BL:


3" BL:




water proofing and tunes:



and when it was little:

great thanks for all the help, i just need to find where to get this stuff done....any input?????

awsome pics how did you do the BL , did you do it yourself ???

P.S. what do you hunt in N.T.
apart from pigs that is....

oh and buy the way was that diamond plate metal stuf you got in side it (on the door) very expencive???
how many mm is it

David.T wrote:great thanks for all the help, i just need to find where to get this stuff done....any input?????

real easy to do the mods yourself. just need to know a thing or two about spinning spanners and so on. i save millions on labour charges.

David.T wrote:awsome pics how did you do the BL , did you do it yourself ???

P.S. what do you hunt in N.T.
apart from pigs that is....

i got a kit custom made up locally, then i put it in myself. (with help from mates)

we hunt/shoot: ducks, geese, pigs, buffalo, and would you believe, donkeys!

and there's great fishing up here also!

David.T wrote:oh and by the way was that chequer plate metal stuff you got inside (on the door) very expensive???
how many mm is it?

i bought a sheet of it, 1200mm x 2400mm, its 3mm aluminium, and it was about $150 last i checked. i also have some of it on my front and rear bars, and soon, my rear drawer frame will be covered in it.

did you just buy the spacer

David.T wrote:did you just buy the spacer

yeah, well, sorta. you can buy spacers, 30mm, for about $45 each or something close. (PM me if you cant find any, and i can get you some)

OR

you can make them yourself! its that hard plastic stuff, like the BL material, something like HDPE. they come in different colours, and usually in 300mm lengths, and anything from $100 (not incl GST) upwards. the black stuff is usually UV stuff, so it works well with heat and there is another which is more oil resistant. 300mm is enough to make 4 70mm spacers, but usually that is way too big of a spacer. anything over 50mm as a spacer isnt too great.

OD is about 100mm, but 110mm is ok too. then just cut the lengths you need, maybe 30mm for the front, and 40mm for the back. then you will need to bore out the centres, or use a hole saw. i can't remember the centre hole dia, but i can find out for you. it should be in one of the threads in the vit bible anyway.

if you have a mate with a vit, or X90, you can go halves, and have 2 lifted vits etc etc. $100 each is cheap for a 2"ish lift.

hi again um ... just wondering if i can get a 3" body lift without geting a suspension mod (springs and shocks)

David.T wrote:hi again um ... just wondering if i can get a 3" body lift without geting a suspension mod (springs and shocks)

from another thread:

SiKiD wrote:a BL usually allows a big increase in tyre diam to be run without scrubbing, and sometimes without having to fit lifted suspension, leaving the sus all stock and in factory working condition.

this will leave your sus system all stock. you will not gain any ground clearance until you fit larger diam tyres. so yes, you can fit a 3" BL to run 30" tyres, but it will only give you about 1" gain in ground clearance, and will not alter the suspension, meaning, the suspension will not work any better than it does now. so no increase in sus travel or articulation.

be warned: a 3" BL seems easy in the grand scheme, but extended brake lines, extended fuel filler hose, extended gear shifters, maybe a steering shaft extension and raising bumpers are just some of the things you will need to think about and sort out before you do anything.

yeah thanks for that .
Iv heard about the 3" being a hassel.....how about 2"

David.T wrote:yeah thanks for that .
I'v heard about the 3" being a hassle.....how about 2"?

what about 2"?

what do you want to know? what do you want to do? no offence or anything, but are you even bothering to look for answers to your questions 1st before asking them?

so you've heard about a 3" being a hassle? in what way? and what have you heard about a 2" or even a 1"? what else have you heard about? how's the weather?

dude, almost all of this stuff is in the vit bible. when you decide to do something, and you then get stuck, then we are here to help. a 3" BL is worth the effort. anything less, and my opinion is, what for? you might as well get the grinder out and cut your guards. will take less time and less money. then you can clear the 35" boggers.

David.T wrote:HI all im new here im 18 and just brought a vitara jx 1991 modle its a 2 door.I want to lift it and put some muddies under it but not sure about the following things
. if i need new wheels to fit mud tyers
.lift how high and what type
.where to get this stuff done and how much....

im a verry keen off-roader and stock is ....

thanks .dave

back to the 1st post:

you want to put muddies on your vit.
yes you can fit mud tyres to your original rims.
or you can buy sunnies to fit them on.
3" sus lift max 3" BL max
you can do the stuff yourself, or you can pay a shop to do it for you.

my first mod to my vit apart from painting it, was 235/75/15 MT/Rs on my stock rims. i had no lift at this stage.

SiKiD_01 wrote:

David.T wrote:did you just buy the spacer

yeah, well, sorta. you can buy spacers, 30mm, for about $45 each or something close. (PM me if you cant find any, and i can get you some)

OR

you can make them yourself! its that hard plastic stuff, like the BL material, something like HDPE. they come in different colours, and usually in 300mm lengths, and anything from $100 (not incl GST) upwards. the black stuff is usually UV stuff, so it works well with heat and there is another which is more oil resistant. 300mm is enough to make 4 70mm spacers, but usually that is way too big of a spacer. anything over 50mm as a spacer isnt too great.

OD is about 100mm, but 110mm is ok too. then just cut the lengths you need, maybe 30mm for the front, and 40mm for the back. then you will need to bore out the centres, or use a hole saw. i can't remember the centre hole dia, but i can find out for you. it should be in one of the threads in the vit bible anyway.

if you have a mate with a vit, or X90, you can go halves, and have 2 lifted vits etc etc. $100 each is cheap for a 2"ish lift.

yeah ill do that um where do i buy the stuff for the spacers?
thanks.DAVE

SiKiD_01 wrote:

David.T wrote:yeah thanks for that .
I'v heard about the 3" being a hassle.....how about 2"?

what about 2"?

what do you want to know? what do you want to do? no offence or anything, but are you even bothering to look for answers to your questions 1st before asking them?

so you've heard about a 3" being a hassle? in what way? and what have you heard about a 2" or even a 1"? what else have you heard about? how's the weather?

dude, almost all of this stuff is in the vit bible. when you decide to do something, and you then get stuck, then we are here to help. a 3" BL is worth the effort. anything less, and my opinion is, what for? you might as well get the grinder out and cut your guards. will take less time and less money. then you can clear the 35" boggers.

ok then sorry to be a pain in the ass.

If you want to make it/keep it legal, 2" is the max BL you can do according to the NCOP

ok, thanks

David,

I think a key factor here is to let your ability to build with your car.

IMHO, maybe go with a 2" BL (this is a fair bit easier to fit than a 3", and legal)but to start with, find someone else's throw away tyres- a 29-30" tyre will be plenty to get you started. In less an 12 months, you will want to go bigger, but to do this you will need to address your gearing, which is expensive.

After the BL and some second hand muddies, save your money and put an air locker in the rear diff. This will make more difference to the off road ability of the car than ANY amount of lift and tyre.

Take it easy - trust me, I've been driving in the bust for 13 years and I still lean stuff and learn to try new ideas. Vitara's are stable and low, make the most of this and learn the car's limits and your own. A car with a smallish tyre and a locker will often show up much "bigger" cars if driven sensibly.

That said, cutting the guards is a great way to go. We had a car in the club in Vic with 1" of lift and 33" tyres, so it is not all about lift.

Steve.