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A guy on E bay is selling decanting hoses to connect a BBQ bottle to your lpg tank. (to use as a jerry can)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LPG-gas-decantin ... dZViewItem

Can you buy these fittings seperately for much less or is this an OK price.

I dont know much about gas systems but..........they obviously have a tap on the cars tank to turn off the flow of gas so alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

Watching with interest... it's a good idea and something I've been after for a while.

Not sure about the legality but I can't see anything dangerous about it.

CanberraMav wrote:A guy on E bay is selling decanting hoses to connect a BBQ bottle to your lpg tank. (to use as a jerry can)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LPG-gas-decantin ... dZViewItem

Can you buy these fittings seperately for much less or is this an OK price.

I dont know much about gas systems but..........they obviously have a tap on the cars tank to turn off the flow of gas so alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

that price is good. gas-tune in tuggeranong sell them for about $80 if you ask really nicely and pay cash. you get about 18 litres from a 9kg bottle.

CanberraMav wrote:alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

not with this, but if you go to a wrecker, get the gas filler hose out of a wreck then mate a bbq fitting onto that, you can.

but isn't there a check valve at tank end of inlet line?
you can decant from 45kg into 9kg bottle but cant get last bit due to pipe going in a bit.

N*A*M wrote:

CanberraMav wrote:alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

not with this, but if you go to a wrecker, get the gas filler hose out of a wreck then mate a bbq fitting onto that, you can.

Wouldn't that let you fill from a bowser but not from the car's tank?

BBQ bottles are vapour withdrawl aren't they? So you would have to tip the bottle upside down to fill an LPG tank wouldn't you???

It won't work - the two cylinders will have equal pressure. Also that car end connection is wrong. And it is dangerous! Having worked in the gas industry all my life I have seen LPG burns more than once.

ISUZUROVER wrote:BBQ bottles are vapour withdrawl aren't they? So you would have to tip the bottle upside down to fill an LPG tank wouldn't you???

yes. you turn it upside down. i used to sit mine on the spare wheel.

I know it sounds unsafe, but if you could somehow heat the bbq cylinder with an electric blanket or something, you would get more pressure and more gas would end up in main tank.

chimpboy wrote:

N*A*M wrote:

CanberraMav wrote:alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

not with this, but if you go to a wrecker, get the gas filler hose out of a wreck then mate a bbq fitting onto that, you can.

Wouldn't that let you fill from a bowser but not from the car's tank?

that's right and that's what you need. auto lpg is much cheaper than bbq lpg. if you've got a 9kg jerry, are you going to be paying $30 for swap and go or $10 for bowser lpg? the pressure will equalise but the liquid will still drain down.

N*A*M wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

N*A*M wrote:

CanberraMav wrote:alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

not with this, but if you go to a wrecker, get the gas filler hose out of a wreck then mate a bbq fitting onto that, you can.

Wouldn't that let you fill from a bowser but not from the car's tank?

that's right and that's what you need. auto lpg is much cheaper than bbq lpg. if you've got a 9kg jerry, are you going to be paying $30 for swap and go or $10 for bowser lpg? the pressure will equalise but the liquid will still drain down.

Goodo, I was just wondering.

Although I think the original question was - can I go to the servo, fill up my car, and then come home and fill up my bbq gas bottles from my car's tank..?

To which I think the answer is no without hacking into your car's pipes on the other side of the filler.

N*A*M wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

N*A*M wrote:

CanberraMav wrote:alternatively can i fill BBQ bottles from the vehicle using this hose as well?

not with this, but if you go to a wrecker, get the gas filler hose out of a wreck then mate a bbq fitting onto that, you can.

Wouldn't that let you fill from a bowser but not from the car's tank?

that's right and that's what you need. auto lpg is much cheaper than bbq lpg. if you've got a 9kg jerry, are you going to be paying $30 for swap and go or $10 for bowser lpg? the pressure will equalise but the liquid will still drain down.

Is it OK to fill up your own BBQ bottle with this setup? Servo guys are always having a crack at me when I try to fill an unapproved petrol can (with petrol).

mount the filler on the rear bar, run the hose into your car and leave the bbq cylinder in there.

N*A*M wrote:mount the filler on the rear bar, run the hose into your car and leave the bbq cylinder in there.

Yup, because they will get shirty if they see you filling a bbq bottle from their bowser.

N*A*M wrote:mount the filler on the rear bar, run the hose into your car and leave the bbq cylinder in there.

I think not .. you need to vent the excess vapour when filling a BBQ bottle ..

If you want to get back into the vehcile and be smashed on the LPG vapor and it's loverly smell ..

Im not really keen on the idea of filling 9kg bottles up at the servo from the bowser. Im sure there is a hefty fine.

It would have been handy to be able to fill from the vehicle.

Oh well

i used to work at bunnigns and had to fill the gas bottles trust me you dont want the excess vapours in ur car after ding it for a day i would go home and feel really funny the head ache you get from it isnt nice either

CanberraMav wrote:Im not really keen on the idea of filling 9kg bottles up at the servo from the bowser. Im sure there is a hefty fine.

It would have been handy to be able to fill from the vehicle.

Oh well

You can still get them filled up at a hardware store or use the swap BBQ tanks in an emergency.

Yep to decant into a 9kg bottle from a 45kg bottle just connect the two bottles with a copper line with bbq fittings on each end and invert the 45kg bottle, open the two bottle valves, then vent the 9kg bottle to atmosphere. There is a little saving to be had there. The big saving to be had is by getting lpg into your bbq bottles.
But i think to answer the original question you cannot fill a bbq bottle from your car out of the filler valve.

love_mud wrote:

N*A*M wrote:mount the filler on the rear bar, run the hose into your car and leave the bbq cylinder in there.

I think not .. you need to vent the excess vapour when filling a BBQ bottle ..

If you want to get back into the vehcile and be smashed on the LPG vapor and it's loverly smell ..

Not if it's pumped in - servo lpg is pumped. Venting is needed when filling from a tank (with no pump) with a bottom pickup that is the same height or higher than the bbq tank. You can fill a bbq bottle without venting as long as the main tank is higher (but it will take much longer)

Venting is using atmospheric pressure ( or relative vacuum ) to suck the liquid gas from one tank to the other.

I knew someone who used to fill 2kg-9kg gas bottles with auto LPG. He used to do it out in the open at a small servo in the sticks that didn't mind. I never asked about the venting though.

Hey mods, what happened to the two posts stating the illegality of this?
They seem to have vapourised.

The Ebay hose isnt a safe setup ...... You need a quick release nozzle at the cars filler valve end similar to what you see at the LPG pump @ servo's.

All the LPG pump part suppliers are really careful as to where these nozzles go if one is to be replaced etc...... there is a pretty big paper trail right up to the nozzles distruction or repair...... same applies to new nozzles too
Getting hold of one aint easy but not imposiable either


As for decanting from ya car to a bbq bottle .........
Yes it is posiable and the parts you'll need are
"Tee" piece to go into the line from the tank to the converter,
forklift "quick connect" connection ( hose end )
forklift "quick connect" connection ( cylinder end )
a length of hose and the screw in bbq cylinder fitting.
&
Youll need to be able to power up the LPG tank solinoid in ya car so the lpg can exit the tank.

I cant see why ya'd bother when its easier to fill the bbq bottle @ the servo pump with a much simpler hose setup.


All of which is NOT LEGAL to do unless you are a qualified lpg fitter or a firery with the right certificates.
( a small number of fire fighters are SPECIFICALLY trained to this so in a car accident involving a car fitted with an LPG tank the tanks contents can be safely vented off if needed..... the equipment is simple enough and spectacular to see in operation but again its the degree of dificulty in getting the special fittings involved. )

sudso wrote:Hey mods, what happened to the two posts stating the illegality of this?
They seem to have vapourised.

Wasnt me. I usually place a note it a thread if stuff beens deleted or edited.


As for legal stuff......
You are NOT permitted to touch any part of a cars LPG system except from the converter to the actual engine... THATS ALL . ( unless your a qualified LPG fitter / installer and on a certified premisis only )

Servos are NOT permitted to fill LPG cylinders other than the ones fitted to cars, or forklift bottles.
The filling of bbq bottles and household cylinders is not allowed under any circumstances and site operators face a $10,000 fine for each offence...... they are also fined the same amount if you are caught trying to 'sneak' in a fill without their knowlege... ( I cant recall the personal fine for getting caught but it was 'up there' too )



Kingy

Decanting from 9kg bottles is done fairly regularly in the taxi industry. Sometimes the gas guages can be a bit flakey.

Go to your local taxi operator and have a look at their setup.

Apparently it is not illegal to make and sell gas decanting hoses but using them for their intended purpose at a servo or in a workplace is.
Private use is a grey area but I reckon it would be an insurance nightmare if something went wrong.
On AGL's website it says that Autogas must not be used for domestic purposes as bbq gas etc. is made up of a different composition.

sudso wrote: On AGL's website it says that Autogas must not be used for domestic purposes as bbq gas etc. is made up of a different composition.

AFAIK, BBQ gas is 100% PROPANE, LPG is a PROPANE/BUTANE MIX - varies from near 100% propane in summer to 30% butane in winter. This is to help with viscosity and vapour pressure problems when propane is cold - ever tried to get a ropane burner going on a really cold morning???

BBQ gas may also have fewer impurities, but I am not sure on that one.

ISUZUROVER wrote:

sudso wrote: On AGL's website it says that Autogas must not be used for domestic purposes as bbq gas etc. is made up of a different composition.

AFAIK, BBQ gas is 100% PROPANE, LPG is a PROPANE/BUTANE MIX - varies from near 100% propane in summer to 30% butane in winter. This is to help with viscosity and vapour pressure problems when propane is cold - ever tried to get a ropane burner going on a really cold morning???

BBQ gas may also have fewer impurities, but I am not sure on that one.

Yet all camping (hiking) stoves with the disposable gas bottles are butane.
I reckon it's a safety thing - propane been a higher octane is less explosive than butane. (in case of leaks) Only reason i can think of. ??????

It has stuff all to do with impurites. You cook your steak over a wood fire that has a shite load more impurities and bad shit in it.

It is just a way of regulating the market.
I once ran out of gas in a straight gas falcon. I happen to pull over next to a truck with big (tall skinny) bottles on the back. I asked the guy if he could fill me up...he said yes but he would face a big fine if he got caught so i said dont worry. He then explained the situation. There are different taxes on different fuels and their uses. Also think of the money companies like elgas and supagas would lose if u could just fill up at a servo for a quarter of the price (even cheaper back then).

It is similar (not the same) to the use and sale of avgas for planes. Yes i know that leaded fuel cannot be used now but when leaded fuel was still around avgas was still illegal to use in a road car because it has a lot less tax on it compared to service station fuel.

I think we get ripped off with bottled gas, especially ppl who dont have mains gas and rely on bottles.

Jimmy

Jimbo wrote:I think we get ripped off with bottled gas, especially ppl who dont have mains gas and rely on bottles.

Jimmy

you "think"

Fill a household cylinder at the servo and at the current price here, it costs $52.00
A delivered cylinder from the cylinder man costs $90.00 .... + $2.00 delivery/ handling fee

With a $40 saving guess how manny ppl are doing this every day !

Kingy