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I'm tossing up between a Daiken safari (tried/tested/lots of feedback) and a Clutch Industries 4TERRAIN (apparently made by PBR?) for my Troopy.

The bloke at Bursons thinks the 4TERRAIN is stronger and much easier to live with ('slippable', more progressive take up etc) than the Safari. It's also cheaper, at $450 versus the Safari @ $475 (not that $25 is really all that important to the decision). I've driven a Safari equipped patrol and can't say i was a fan of the uncontrolled take up - but i could learn to live with it i suppose.

Has anyone got any experience with the 4TERRAIN? Are there other brands i should consider within this price/peformance range? It will be going behind a standard 2H diesel - which i'm looking to turbo - nonetheless not alot of power, but in a heavy car.

I also had a mechanic tell me he won't fit anything but genuine ($550 from Toyota), because they're simply the best. Does anybody see any merit to this?

Also, am i right in thinking i should have the flywheel machined for the new clutch? What's a rough price i should be looking at for machining?

Thanks for any feedback - a search for 4TERRAIN didn't return much experienced feedback.

LINK FOR 4TERRAIN INFO

Thanks,

Stu

we did alot of research on this before changing from exxeddy [old daiken] safari to 4terrain, and found clutch industries bought 12 safari's and improved the design, and it is pretty obvious when you line the 2 up where its beefed, and the pressure plate will withstand 3 times the heat of the safari unit with the metalurgy they have incorparated, which we have tested in my truck,[37's 4 tonne, madigan line, sand, see avator image, bogged on 37's] and now numourous others, and we have been happy to chnage what we use for pedal effort, and durability.

ats4x4dotcom wrote:...we have been happy to chnage what we use for pedal effort, and durability.

So the 4TERRAIN requires less pedal effort? Is it more progressive/smoother than the daikens?

Thanks for the info.

i went from a standard nissan clutch in my mav to a 4terrain, and noticed no difference at all in pedal effort to dissengage. This clutch in my opinion feels just like a standard clutch (in my limited experience).

marin

dogbreath_48 wrote:

ats4x4dotcom wrote:...we have been happy to chnage what we use for pedal effort, and durability.

So the 4TERRAIN requires less pedal effort? Is it more progressive/smoother than the daikens?

Thanks for the info.

I would say smoother, but more positive in its engagement, it has only 50% of a normal marcell between the linings, and on a vehicle without vacuum assist, it takes less pedal effort, yes.

dogbreath_48 wrote:
Also, am i right in thinking i should have the flywheel machined for the new clutch? What's a rough price i should be looking at for machining?

Yes, get your flywheel machined, and replace your rear main, & front input shaft seal while its all out.

Machining should be max $50.

Its a good idea, esp if you old clutch has left hot spots/glaze marks, and can also show up any fine cracks developing from hot flywheel + cold water.

TTT

Will be buying tomorrow. Think i'll go the 4TERRAIN unless someone comes up with some horror stories!

Thanks all for the advice.

-Stu

Giggidy giggidy.

Though i do wonder how much i payed for the box and associated freight!

-Stu

Free recovery BOX

Bazzle

hows the clutch been so far? any issues to date?

Thought you'd already decided

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... highlight=

Haven't done many k's on it (8000 maybe?) but i'm still very happy with it. Others who have driven the car have also been impressed.

Yeh.. well I have but theres still time to change my mind..

rang the guys at clutch industries and as you'd expect they raved about their product.

still doing some homework but now I need to figure out what I can use the wooden box for?

shorty_f0rty wrote:...now I need to figure out what I can use the wooden box for?

Mum turned mine into a 'pirates chest' for my 3yo cousin - i was pretty pissed off.

I fitted a heavy duty 4terrain to my petrol 80s.

Pedal effort noticable increased but it gets power down much quicker.

It now requires the pedal to be fully depressed during each gear change where the old one required just a tap.

It did take a bit to get use to but I love it now.

guzzla wrote:e pedal to be fully depressed during each gear change where the old one required just a tap.

tried adjusting the pedal?

Got an Exedy (were Daiken) Safari tuff clutch in mine and TBH, not worth the $$$ when you can get an equally good product for alot less.

Plus mine doesn't disengage properly. Need to lengthen the pin which sits in the seat thingo of the clutch fork lever arm on the outside of the gearbox by around 3mm i reckon.

Better still i might just take it back to the mechanics who fitted it.

ive got a 4terrain in my 93 GQ 4.2 petrol and i find it awsome.

i was also worried about it being so light on the pedal (but mines got vacume booster)

mine also has the problem where having to depress it a fair way when changing gears, ive adjusted the pedal and it helped a little but the problem lies in the thrust bearing.

my old thrust bearing shit itself(came out in pieces, now before we pressed it off there was a 5mm gap between the bearing race and the raised point on the thrust bearing mounting bracket.

when we pressed the new one on we thought itwas supposed to be pressed all the way on. and im not about to pull that 2 tonne gearbox out again to fix it

oh an mine was $400 delivered , the wooden crate now stores my recovery gear.

Yom wrote:Got an Exedy (were Daiken) Safari tuff clutch in mine and TBH, not worth the $$$ when you can get an equally good product for alot less.

Plus mine doesn't disengage properly. Need to lengthen the pin which sits in the seat thingo of the clutch fork lever arm on the outside of the gearbox by around 3mm i reckon.

Better still i might just take it back to the mechanics who fitted it.

You do realise that pin length is adjustable.

Would be a good idea to replace the pin and clutch arm whilst you're at it. They can wear and bend. I should have

RAY185 wrote:

Yom wrote:Got an Exedy (were Daiken) Safari tuff clutch in mine and TBH, not worth the $$$ when you can get an equally good product for alot less.

Plus mine doesn't disengage properly. Need to lengthen the pin which sits in the seat thingo of the clutch fork lever arm on the outside of the gearbox by around 3mm i reckon.

Better still i might just take it back to the mechanics who fitted it.

You do realise that pin length is adjustable.

The one down at the gearbox and clutch fork???

HOW?!?!?

Farking sick of not being able to get into gears.

Yom wrote:

RAY185 wrote:

Yom wrote:Got an Exedy (were Daiken) Safari tuff clutch in mine and TBH, not worth the $$$ when you can get an equally good product for alot less.

Plus mine doesn't disengage properly. Need to lengthen the pin which sits in the seat thingo of the clutch fork lever arm on the outside of the gearbox by around 3mm i reckon.

Better still i might just take it back to the mechanics who fitted it.

You do realise that pin length is adjustable.

The one down at the gearbox and clutch fork???

HOW?!?!?

Farking sick of not being able to get into gears.

i know with mine the pin is threaded, a nut stops it from moving and you can thread the end in or out.. mine is maxed out to the max but most should be adjustable. if you remove the spring on your clutch fork and have a close look at the pin you should be able to take it out, adjust it and put it back in.. 1 banana job..

I dont recall any springs under there. Is yours vacuum assisted?

Yom wrote:I dont recall any springs under there. Is yours vacuum assisted?

no i dont think it is.. its on a 40 so probably completely different to yours.. i have no idea honest...

Bahaha you bastard, Got me all excited.

I was seriously thinking of getting someone to put a dab of weld on the end or something.

dogbreath_48 wrote: I also had a mechanic tell me he won't fit anything but genuine ($550 from Toyota), because they're simply the best. Does anybody see any merit to this?

When I rebuilt the gearbox in my Troopy at 410000km it still had the original clutch in it, which was still useable. So that says something for genuine clutches...Will post pics of it next week .

awww

they dont do a 4terrain for the 3B.. going to have to go the Exedy HD instead..

no box for you

those 4 terrain clutches are over 700 in wa
where are you guys getting them for under 500

Troopy93 wrote:

dogbreath_48 wrote: I also had a mechanic tell me he won't fit anything but genuine ($550 from Toyota), because they're simply the best. Does anybody see any merit to this?

When I rebuilt the gearbox in my Troopy at 410000km it still had the original clutch in it, which was still useable. So that says something for genuine clutches...Will post pics of it next week .

THe clutch in my HJ60 was origonal and did 420thousand k's. Mechanic who rebuilt the engine said the clutch was still good but may not last another 100thousand so i put a new exedy heavy duty in as i didnt want to drop the gearbox in 12 months.

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