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Just wanted to ask who has run simex tyres on the truck and what ones would be the best all round simex tyre??

theres a few of us on here that have/do,

few running ET/ET2s, and Frank runs JT2s, and i have run JT2s also, iv never had experience with the ET/ET2s, but everyone rekons theyre the ducks nuts for mud, as we have only some mud up here and lots of rock, i found the JT2s awesome in everything except probably the real full on rocks where something a little more unbiased to mud wouldve prevailed, something like a MTR or STT or something along those lines. I didnt run them for long either, but i do know that if your ever thinking of going anywehre near the beach STAY AWAY from simexs.... wouldve believe how much they on the sand and how much they just bog down and go nowhere. thats just my experience, JT2s awesome for almost everything especially the loose, muddy, somewhat rocky stuff, full on rocks id say no and sand never

dean

thanx for the info.
So what would you say is a good tyre for all round mud,rock,sand and road?

i dunno man, id try something maybe a little out of the ordinary, just pick one and try your luck, depends what you want them for i rekon, are they to be driven daily???

for dailies and a bit of everything id be tempted with somethng like

-mtrs
-stts
-mtzs im likin these at the moment

little bit more full on

-claws
-mudzillas
-the new kumho kl71s or something like that,

i dunno man, i ahvent tried that many tyres, iv only had Cooper STs, they werent aggressive enough, JT2s, they were too aggressive literally, i sold them cos they were too noise on road, i dont have the luxury of running two sets, so i picked up a set of Nankang Mudstars, cheap as and so far have caused me no greif and taken me everywhere,

my next set will probably be something like the MTRs, STTs, MTZs or even the Dick Cepek (Mickey Thompson) FCIIs, because next time round ill be looking at buying tyres for my big trip, unless something comes up cheap,

either way pick up something thats proven or is new and give them a go, pick one and go with it, peoples opinions are just that, theyre personal. They might not be the same as yours, what you want out of a tyre and your needs for that tyre will pretty determine what your after

dean

nh_pajero wrote:thanx for the info.
So what would you say is a good tyre for all round mud,rock,sand and road?

Maxxis Mudzilla or a set of Mickey T Baja Claws, both excellent allrounders and more on the aggressive side.

yeh definitely two top sets of tyres there, the mudzillas are sexy as, but not that ideal if NH is intending to drive on them daily, im not sure, but yeh both the Mudzilla and Claw would make an awesome tyre, though im not that fussed about the Claw and the mudzilla isnt too far different but appeals to me more, i think the sidewalls have a lot to do with that. The creepies look awesome though and then the new MTZs looks sweet as also. Depends what size and intended purpose as most tyres are more than capable to drive different conditions, some are just more suited to others, if you intend on driving rock though i would steer clear of Simex, but then some say not....whos to know, like i said pick one and try

dean

Yep I ran 34x11.5" JT2's for about 3 years now I have upgraded to the 35x11.5" ET2.
I've only been out once with the ET's on wet rock and they were great.
The JT's served me very well and really never let me down.
I also ran the HD tubes and never lost a bead despite some serious hits.
They are a very stiff and robust carcass.
In Melbourne were there is lots of mud the Simex's are VERY popular for very good reason. It's generally accepted that the ET is better in the mud and about even with a JT in other terrain. However you do have varying degrees of opinions between the two.
I ran BFG 33" muds before the JT's and these are my normal tyres now. Make no mistake offroad the BFG's almost pale into insignifigance compared to the JT's. Onroad the Simex's are rough & noisy especially until they warm up and round out (they will develop flat spots parked on hard ground overnight).
Remember the JT's are uni-directional whereas the ET's are one-directional.
My advice is if you want to go hard and give yourself every chance have 2 sets of tyres. A road going tyre and a specialist offroad tyre.
If your mainly driving in the dry then your options open up a bit more to a more softer grippier offroad tyre that you can drop the pressures right down to really hug the rocks.

I run the ET, they are teh shizzle in the Victorian mud, but on rock you can easily take chunks out of them or round off the corners. They sound like a Cessna on the road, but if you run two sets of tyres it's worth the noise.

For an allrounder i reacon the MTRs would be the way to go IMHO.

What size tyre are you looking to run?

If its anything less than 35" and you want serious offroad performance get a set of mongrels. They bite like a bitch in the mud and are slow wearing onroad, an excellent compromise.

If you just want one set of tyres then i reckon the Goodyear MTR's are the go as an allrounder. Reasonably quite onroad (for a mud terrain) and perform well on gravel, rock and in the mud. It's all a matter of opinion tho. Most people will swear by the tyre they run!

MTR's aren't a mud terrain

They're just as aggressive as a BFG mud terrain. They're deffinately not an All Terrain. Please enlighten us as to what family of tyre they belong to!

hudson44 wrote:They're just as aggressive as a BFG mud terrain. They're deffinately not an All Terrain. Please enlighten us as to what family of tyre they belong to!

They're part of the newer breed of more aggressive all-terrain, but are NOT as good as the BFG M/T in mud.

Officially, MT/R stands for "Maximum Traction/Reinforced" (well, according to some websites...) They are not a pure Mud Terrain tyre in the mold of the classic BFG M/T (or the old Cooper STT) but they're worlds ahead of the traditional "all terrain" (such as the classic BFG A/T.) They have proved to be excellent rock tyres, they're very good on rocky fire-trails, but if mud is your game DO NOT buy MT/Rs.

In my opinion, they're more aggressive than the Cooper S/Ts (but won't wear as well - I've had both) and similar to the new Cooper STT (which also won't wear as well as the S/T - I've got STTs now.) They're all a league above BFG A/Ts for off-road performance, which is why you won't find too many OL members recommending BFG A/Ts - you're average OL member wants better.

Another couple of tyres in the same "line blurring" class (in my opinion) are the ProComp X-Terrain and the new Mickey Thompson MTZ. I think Toyo also have a similar tyre which hasn't received much publicity in Australia yet.

My 2c

Scott

yeh nice scott,

hadnt heard of them yet, well i had heard of toyo tyres but not the open country mt, looks good, very similar to the MTR/STT/MTZ, these will be the tyres ill be looking at purchasing next time round, unless of course new ones come out

they come out late september apparently, no direct link, theyre under recreational tyres.

http://www.toyo.com.au/

dean

Thanks Scott, I can sleep easily now

Cant vouch for their quality in sand but they are wicked in mud,rocks and road - so check out the Silverstones m117s. Even the M117extremes - but they would (as its a similar pattern to the JT and / or ET ) probably dig a nice pit in the sand.

Run M117S on the Pwado (yeah I up graded ). Also had them on the NL for a while. So similar weigh and size vehicles - only had two issues - one a staking through the side wall and the other a flat spot from being towed off a mountain

Same price (roughly) as the Mongrels and bucket loads cheaper than the Simex. They are a brand new tyre so IMHO better than the recapped/mould/treads.

Draw Back - they are directional - but love em - used in the same play areas as Bitsa and Misery.

mt117s dont like the sand, i have them and when im on stockton i have to take it real easy as they like to dig into the soft stuff.
i run them at 10psi and they still dont bag that much. on rocks they are ok but on the sand they dont bag much at all. very stiff tyres

The Extreme Trekkers don't like the sand either, you start going forwards, then you start going down untill the chassis is on the sand. Though i'd imagine most aggressive tyres would do the same, just dig holes..

M1S3RY wrote:The Extreme Trekkers don't like the sand either, you start going forwards, then you start going down untill the chassis is on the sand. Though i'd imagine most aggressive tyres would do the same, just dig holes..

Never found that with 36x12.5 et2s, just depends on how much power you have, dirtbikes don't run smooth tyres on the back and they go fine in the sand.

I ve just came back from a 2 week tassie trip and did heaps of beach driving with my 35 simex et2 and I found they perform extremly well in sand.

Simon

I believe it all comes down to weight & pressure - the heavier the vehicle, the more critical the pressure.

Yes, a more aggressive tyre is more likely to dig - if the pressure isn't right. But get the pressure right, and the better traction is worth the hassle.