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Been investigating getting shot of the LR axles under my truck. Reason? Well £3000 later and the axles will be to a standard, good enough to run 36's allday hard (Simex ET2)

Looking at Nissan/Toyota axles as an alternative. LR4x4 UK Forum user from Australia, has given me the idea.

Any info on what anyone is running etc would be handy

This is what im looking at running:

Front: Nissan GQ, 89-present (UK Patrol model, i think)

Rear: Toyota 80 series (UK VX or Amazon model, i think)

(Looking for 4:11 Ring and pinion in the diffs)

Cheers
Mudman&Crawler
Sunny UK

that would be ur best opion imo

Search for posts by Maggott, as he has had both sets in his rangie.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ffs+rangie

They should get you started

Good write ups But No images though? Any shots of the axles under the truck?

Cheers for the response, over here in the UK. Talking about switching out the LR Axles, recieves a poor response

No one has broken Ashcroft cv's yet in the UK. And they've been tested in the toughest events

What about 101 axles? 38mm shafts and rather large cv's.

Pete Whitman is running his under an LS7 on 42" IROKS and he's had no probs. Bryn has his on Boggers without hassle.

Then there's Dynatrack but £3000 won't get you the crate they come in

JF

james feeney wrote:No one has broken Ashcroft cv's yet in the UK. And they've been tested in the toughest events

What about 101 axles? 38mm shafts and rather large cv's.

Pete Whitman is running his under an LS7 on 42" IROKS and he's had no probs. Bryn has his on Boggers without hassle.

Then there's Dynatrack but £3000 won't get you the crate they come in

JF

Ashcroft were my first port of call, but 3k ex VAT and im looking at potential alternatives. I cannot dispute there reputation. But at Present, i can get a Nisssan Patrol and a Toyota 80 series (complete trucks) for £4500. Take the axles out, break the rest of the truck and hopefully get a few £££'s back

I admit, it is not an easy route to take! Fab work etc but.....

As for 101's have kept my eye out for them, but once you have tricked them up . It would seem, again things are getting expensive?


Cheers for the input

D44 Member : Warthog

There are a few pics here http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/ ... ie%20Pics/

I will have to find the build up pics and re host them as the server they were on is now gone.

Mudman&Crawler wrote:

james feeney wrote:No one has broken Ashcroft cv's yet in the UK. And they've been tested in the toughest events

What about 101 axles? 38mm shafts and rather large cv's.

Pete Whitman is running his under an LS7 on 42" IROKS and he's had no probs. Bryn has his on Boggers without hassle.

Then there's Dynatrack but £3000 won't get you the crate they come in

JF

Ashcroft were my first port of call, but 3k ex VAT and im looking at potential alternatives. I cannot dispute there reputation. But at Present, i can get a Nisssan Patrol and a Toyota 80 series (complete trucks) for £4500. Take the axles out, break the rest of the truck and hopefully get a few £££'s back

I admit, it is not an easy route to take! Fab work etc but.....

As for 101's have kept my eye out for them, but once you have tricked them up . It would seem, again things are getting expensive?


Cheers for the input

D44 Member : Warthog

Agree with you 101's bit are becomeing like rocking horse poo. Will cost you, if you find them in the first place

BTW Maggot4x4 got the vids you want, , just have not got around to posting yet. Sorry, been busy will sort it. And sending you the Hi-lift cover as well. Have not fogotten
Must go off roading again soon
Ali

aliread wrote:

Mudman&Crawler wrote:

james feeney wrote:No one has broken Ashcroft cv's yet in the UK. And they've been tested in the toughest events

What about 101 axles? 38mm shafts and rather large cv's.

Pete Whitman is running his under an LS7 on 42" IROKS and he's had no probs. Bryn has his on Boggers without hassle.

Then there's Dynatrack but £3000 won't get you the crate they come in

JF

Ashcroft were my first port of call, but 3k ex VAT and im looking at potential alternatives. I cannot dispute there reputation. But at Present, i can get a Nisssan Patrol and a Toyota 80 series (complete trucks) for £4500. Take the axles out, break the rest of the truck and hopefully get a few £££'s back

I admit, it is not an easy route to take! Fab work etc but.....

As for 101's have kept my eye out for them, but once you have tricked them up . It would seem, again things are getting expensive?


Cheers for the input

D44 Member : Warthog

Agree with you 101's bit are becomeing like rocking horse poo. Will cost you, if you find them in the first place

BTW Maggot4x4 got the vids you want, , just have not got around to posting yet. Sorry, been busy will sort it. And sending you the Hi-lift cover as well. Have not fogotten
Must go off roading again soon
Ali

Cheers Mate thanks heaps.

Here are some build up pics

http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/ ... Up%20Pics/

Right, Nissan up front sorted. But after starting a few threads on other forums (UK) Nissan rear has been mentioned to. But the diff is not align with LR drivetrain? Any light on this would be helpful

Using a Nissan rear would save £££'s here in the UK. Toyos are in the £3000 spot whereas Nissan Patrols are in the £2000 tops spot for early years.

Good photos Maggot4x4

Maggots rear diff looks out of line with the transfer output anyway. Or is it just an optical illusion?

JF

james feeney wrote:Maggots rear diff looks out of line with the transfer output anyway. Or is it just an optical illusion?

JF

Those photo's are with a GQ diff in the rear. The main reason I did another diff swap was to get rid of the vibs on the centred rear diff.

It is also hell on tailshafts with a GQ in the rear, I went through a stock rover one and a custom rover one in under 2000km. I ended up with a shortened GQ one with an adapter for the transfer.

Soo what axle did you settle with in the rear?

JF

We are presently fitting GU diffs under the Bushie at the moment and using Nissan tailshafts adapted the the rover transfer case, I am told by my mechanic that because they are not aligned to the rover transfer case is not an issue, I"m not so sure so I'll see how it goes and as my mechanic is my sponsor, if does not work he can fit the Nissan transfer and gear box I have at home in the shed at his cost.

Laurie Griffiths wrote:We are presently fitting GU diffs under the Bushie at the moment and using Nissan tailshafts adapted the the rover transfer case, I am told by my mechanic that because they are not aligned to the rover transfer case is not an issue, I"m not so sure so I'll see how it goes and as my mechanic is my sponsor, if does not work he can fit the Nissan transfer and gear box I have at home in the shed at his cost.

Why not adapt the bushie 'glass body to a GU shortened chassis and your motor etc??

Just a thought Laurie...

JC

Why not adapt the bushie 'glass body to a GU shortened chassis and your motor etc??

Just a thought Laurie...

JC[/quote]

Under CCDA rules body & chassis have to be from the same manufacturer.

Hence why Adrian (Kermut) kept LR chassis & Body but Nissan Gbox & diffs.

Jason

Hi Jason

Unfortunately you are correct or I would consider doing what JustinC suggested.

The question is when does a rover become a nissan

I cant believe you guys are having so many problems with diffs

Im racing a Landrover Defender with a Gen 3 in it with 33's

Ive got Sals rear with 4.11 and Rover front 4.11 maxi axles all round and using 24/23 fronts with early county CVs

I havent had a problem yet with the diffs and Im landing hard off jumps etc

Only differences I can see is

1) weight of the vehicle. A challege vehicle may be slightly heavier

2) your probably using lockers I rarely use mine

3) my auto needs rebuilding once a season but this has been put down to general wear and tear by many a gearbox "expert " over here

Maybe the gearbox is soaking it all up and saving the diffs

Hey Disco Kid
I am not sure what type of events your running in but seeing your not having any problems with your diffs I can only say good luck to you.
I have been competing in the Bushy for 5 years in events like the OBC and Xtreme Winch Challenge type events, not sure if you are familiar with this type of event, all I can say is these events are very tough on vehicles and your point on hardly ever using diff locks, I don't think the events you are referring to are similar to events like the OBC or the Winch Challenges and lets be honest the Rovers weak point is the drive line.
There were two competitors in this years OBC from the USA both driving Disco's and they honestly believed their disco's with Rover running gear would be up to the task, neither finished and both did considerable drive line damage, the only Rover to do well was Adrian Cauchi and his rover runs Nissan drive line. There's no doubt in my mind that Nissan running gear is the way to go to minimise driveline breakages especially as we up the anti in horsepower.
Have a good weekend.
Laurie.

Laurie

Im offroad racing ( High speed Stuff) like condo 750, Aust safari etc

Im just pointing out that difflocks or a manual gearbox might be the major cause of your problems not necessarily horsepower

Yes, your correct in saying difflocks are a major cause of putting strain on the diffs, also CV's and axles although I have only broken 1 Maxi Drive axle in 5 years there a good thing, auto I think would also help to some degree, I just don't like auto's, so my next alternative is to try the GU set up and we will see how that stands up to it.

we are running JacMac diff locks plus JacMac axles into Nissan GU CVs and so far so good. We don't do comp stuff though, and this is where the difference may lie, with bigger runner and engines etc.

Can't disagree with the benefits of Nissan conversion (cept the loss of clearance under the pumpkin) but cost wise the JacMac stuff which is held in high regard was around same as fitting Nissan/Toyo diffs here in Tassie. 2nd hand diffs are not cheap here. I was quoted 1500 dollars each and that's before doing any fitting to the vehicle or allowing for any renovation of the second hand diffs.

I also understand that Nissan gear also fails if it's treated roughly - mainly CVs which may not be as critical as busting CW&Ps.

Ossie wrote:Why not adapt the bushie 'glass body to a GU shortened chassis and your motor etc??

Just a thought Laurie...

JC

Under CCDA rules body & chassis have to be from the same manufacturer.

Hence why Adrian (Kermut) kept LR chassis & Body but Nissan Gbox & diffs.

Jason

And how is a Bushie the same manufacturer as Rover? If you can run a bushie body on a rover chassis there should be no reason you cant do it on a nissan or toyota.

Just because they were designed for rover does not make them rover.

Would there be a way to identify what Diff ratio's a certain Nissan GQ GR would have according to model/chassis number/engine size?

The 100" Series Toyo, i am informed will be 4:11?

Mudman&Crawler wrote:Would there be a way to identify what Diff ratio's a certain Nissan GQ GR would have according to model/chassis number/engine size?

The 100" Series Toyo, i am informed will be 4:11?

The following was posted in the Nissan forum, for GU patrol, but may also apply for the GQ.

Best bet is to try the compliance plate. Look for the trans axle code. Should have
HG41 - 4.111
HG39 - 3.9
HG43 - 4.3
HG46 - 4.6


The 100 series landcruiser is not 100". Rover designate models by wheelbase in inches, but toyota does not.

All 100 series landcruisers here are 4.3:1 diff ratio.

My rangie has 105 series rear axle. I converted it to 4.10:1 by fitting a 79 series crownwheel and pinion. I could not buy a genuine or aftermarket gearset in 4.11 fron Toyota or anywhere else.

80 series are 4.11:1, but the crownwheel and pinion won't fit a 100 series rear diff.

Maggot4x4 wrote:

Ossie wrote:Why not adapt the bushie 'glass body to a GU shortened chassis and your motor etc??

Just a thought Laurie...

JC

Under CCDA rules body & chassis have to be from the same manufacturer.

Hence why Adrian (Kermut) kept LR chassis & Body but Nissan Gbox & diffs.

Jason

And how is a Bushie the same manufacturer as Rover? If you can run a bushie body on a rover chassis there should be no reason you cant do it on a nissan or toyota.

Just because they were designed for rover does not make them rover.

The theory is the vehicel has to be available for sale to the general public in that combination... the Bushy's were. same as the Ibex.

Though you could technically put a morris body on a landy chassis and argue the point?

If you were going to run the Bushy on a Patrol chassis, why not just get a fibreglass patroll body and a patrol chassis?? I know of one that may be runnning in the OBC next year.

The CCDA rulss as supposedly developed to keep the cost of the sport dowm and make it accessable to the average person, i don't makem just live within them.

If rear diff allignment is an issue, you could always do a GQ gbox/trasnfer conversion... solves the gearbox being the week point and all lines up nicely.

Jason

Jason,

Should you even be on this forum now??

Since you traded the tigger in for a jap lump!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hope all is well mate

JF

We're coming back in 2008

james feeney wrote:Jason,

Should you even be on this forum now??

Since you traded the tigger in for a jap lump!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hope all is well mate

JF

We're coming back in 2008

I went through some serious thinking before selling the Rangie, about doing the above conversion. I saw how Kermut was built last year with Nissan Box & Diffs and steering box under the LR chassis.

Teh same conversion drive in drive out was going to cost me around $5k out of pocket, engineered.

Jason

Just so you know guys, (i'm not being clever Jason) the Foers Ibex is a recognised and registered make and model, as a brand new vehicle. It isn't a kit car as such. Foers being the make and Ibex the model.

JF

Jason, I'm on the look out for a cruiser anyway!!!!!!!!!