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I am about to put a rollcage on my zuk for peace of mine and saftey

Just after some opinions as im a bit confused as to which way to go.

some advice i was given

you get a roll cage for your safety, not the safety of your car

and an internal is best for that
and an external can get caught on shit in tight situations...
how ever,
if your not racing or anything like that.... id probably say go external

i personally prefer exo so in the event of a not so life threatning roll your car should still be good , just flip it back over , but yes you can get the cage caught on stuff , but i rather slid along my cage than crease all my panels doing the same line and windows could get a bit costly if you keep rolling with an internal , believe that you cannot get a 6point internal cage engineered either ?

my vote exo but for looks and better saftey internal

cheers Jai

If your going to do any comps or the like go in ternal.

If i was doing one i'd go internal just because i think it will protect you more.

External look awsome but like chunkz said they can get caught up on stuff and how really cares about a couple of dints it add's to the character

Have you got any photos of what you think looks good susuki boy? Everone ive seen looks like crap but want to build one for myself.

The only good ones i've seen are ones that have a tray, bull bar, sliders and the just vertually 1 up behind the b pillar thingy with a cross above the roof and one going up beside the door bit to the roof.

Theres some good ones i've seen on google!

Hope this works!

I like stuff like thttp://au.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyjzSUBZFjnkBeVEW5gt./SIG=122sg90k6/EXP=1159176786/**http%3a//www.genie4x4.com/images/sierra_sml2.jpghis but with a tray incorperated!

With a bar something like this
http://au.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdaG_UR ... nipe-3.jpg

This sites not bad has internal and external
http://au.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htdZoFUh ... ipe-3.html

HOPE THIS HELPS AND WORKS!

Well for some reason it just go's to yahoo's home page don't know why!

If any one can fix it give it a go!

externals the go,ive got exo and it works great doesnt get caught on anything.unless you build some daggy piece of shite that sits 6in outside the body line.dont understan how internal could be safer ive seen some pretty major rolls with exos and the cars and drivers come out pretty much unscathed which cant be said for an internal cage.there would be nothing left of my panels if it werent for the exo.either way you go just make sure you build it properly theres no sort cuts when it comes to personal safety

hers a pic of mine

Well I rekon exos are Grimace. But thats just my thoughts

suzuki boy wrote:If your going to do any comps or the like go in ternal.

If i was doing one i'd go internal just because i think it will protect you more.

External look awsome but like chunkz said they can get caught up on stuff and how really cares about a couple of dints it add's to the character

depending how hard you go a couple of character dings can quickly turn your car into what ressembles a wreck on road , tube slides easier than panels too . (just a thought)

ain't exo cages legal for road use?

mine fully engineered.

The exo's are awsome! I just think for piece of mind an internal cage is best because usually they are based around the driver and co driver!

BUT WHAT EVER YOU END UP DOING DON'T CUT ANY CORNERS!

external are good for car preservation.
but I think that internals are the go.

they are excepted in all comps, whereas externals are not.
they don't hang off the side of your car
they are designed to protect occupents. this is the reason why exo's are not allowed in some comps. due to the fact the panels can still be collapsed onto the people.

to the extreme, internals are smaller and weigh less. and don't make the body any bigger than it has to be, also not as tall as an exo so lower COG.

why go to the trouble of lifting a car a few inches to then whack pipes under and over it. you just lost the lift.

every inch counts so cut your sills and strngthen them, will get you 5 or more inches over a car with full sills and an exo hanging under there.


negatives are that it doesn't protect your vehicle like an exo does.
internal take up cabin space.
maybe hard to engineer
but how do they engineer rally cars? anything can be engineered with time and money, lots of money!

my conclusion, horses for courses!

they are both good and do a similar job. but they cant do the same jobs.

I've even seen a nissan with an exo and 6point internal. due to comp rule changes!

enjoy ashley

I"ve only seen soft tops with interroll cages since i guess its easy to do ... as for hard tops i think it would be abit harder and take abit more room up

germo wrote:
why go to the trouble of lifting a car a few inches to then whack pipes under and over it. you just lost the lift.

every inch counts so cut your sills and strngthen them, will get you 5 or more inches over a car with full sills and an exo hanging under there.

im guessing my sills would be heeps stronger and protect alot more then yours and there would be lucky to be 2-3 inch difference

redzook wrote:

germo wrote:
why go to the trouble of lifting a car a few inches to then whack pipes under and over it. you just lost the lift.

every inch counts so cut your sills and strngthen them, will get you 5 or more inches over a car with full sills and an exo hanging under there.

im guessing my sills would be heeps stronger and protect alot more then yours and there would be lucky to be 2-3 inch difference

x2

go external.
Internal if you are driving a rex on rally tracks and are worried about your life.
If you are driving a little zook slowly off-road your exo will generally provide enough safety and will save you big bucks on windscreen surrounds, glass and b-pillar hoops.
And about exo's getting caught on things... well, that may have saved my life. When my zook was on its lid 2/3 the way up big red and I am hanging buy my harness, the boys explain to me that my exo had hooked a stump, probably stopping me from another 10 barrel rolls off the cliff or down the rutts...

I went external on mine because a) it is a hardtop ute cab and I wanted to protect the windscreen surround and b) because I couldn't sacrifice any internal space with an internal cage.

Mine never caught on anything it saved the cab a couple of times with leans into trees and banks that an internal cage wouldn't have. Also it was used as a roof rack for camping/surfing etc

Aren't most internal cages just bolted through the floor panel and wheel arches. Therefore not hard fixed to the chassis whereas most exo's would be mounted to sliders attached to the chassis. I know in most race organisations they want the cage mounted to the body rather then the chassis in case the seperate but what's the likely hood of that happening when you're crawling.

As for being legal, aren't they just ladder racks.

Internal cages for comps have to be welded to the chassi rails!

At wandin last year there was a guy there with a cut down suzi that had an internal roll cage done by cheezy and it was awsome! I think his number plate was SICSUZ.

roc box wrote:externals the go,ive got exo and it works great doesnt get caught on anything.unless you build some daggy piece of shite that sits 6in outside the body line.dont understan how internal could be safer ive seen some pretty major rolls with exos and the cars and drivers come out pretty much unscathed which cant be said for an internal cage.there would be nothing left of my panels if it werent for the exo.either way you go just make sure you build it properly theres no sort cuts when it comes to personal safety

seen this car in action. the cage doesnt get caught in things. it does however allow the driver to take some interesting lines with no pannel damage

A properly constructed cage is a properly constructed cage, and will do it's primary task of protecting occupants. A dodgy built job is a dodgy built job it doesn't matter if it is inside or outside.

Internal cages on race vehicles are internal for aerodynamics, also useful if you do high on road milage (lower fuel consumption).

If external rollcages get caught on rocks, logs etc why do rock buggys not have slick skinned bodies?

Some vehicles "look" better with either internal or external cages, for posers this might be okay but this should not become a consideration if being done for safety.

My personal preference on a Sierra would be external, for similar reasons as already stated: lack of internal space already, panel protection on slow lean/rollover, reduced repair costs if ever the cage is used etc

DiddyZook wrote:A properly constructed cage is a properly constructed cage, and will do it's primary task of protecting occupants. A dodgy built job is a dodgy built job it doesn't matter if it is inside or outside.

Internal cages on race vehicles are internal for aerodynamics, also useful if you do high on road milage (lower fuel consumption).

If external rollcages get caught on rocks, logs etc why do rock buggys not have slick skinned bodies?

Some vehicles "look" better with either internal or external cages, for posers this might be okay but this should not become a consideration if being done for safety.

My personal preference on a Sierra would be external, for similar reasons as already stated: lack of internal space already, panel protection on slow lean/rollover, reduced repair costs if ever the cage is used etc

I think I actually prefer exos, even though I have an internal cage. I don't have one straight panel on my car though When I got the cage my body was already quite damaged, if however it had been in good nick I would have definately made an exo to help keep the panels straight as well as keeping me safe. Interior room can be an issue with the internal cages, in the pic you can see what I did to gain more head clearance.

i'm fitting an internal this weekend.

a; tends to be a comp requirement
b; looks
c; allows for triangulated cross bracing
d; not to painful in a soft top to drop in or remove

if you are only goint to lay down on the side for a little nap then an exo should be fine... but if you are likely to roll multiple times with any force, due to speed or gravity then the extra strength is unbeatable.

Spock

Pinball wrote:i'm fitting an internal this weekend.

a; tends to be a comp requirement
b; looks
c; allows for triangulated cross bracing
d; not to painful in a soft top to drop in or remove

if you are only goint to lay down on the side for a little nap then an exo should be fine... but if you are likely to roll multiple times with any force, due to speed or gravity then the extra strength is unbeatable.

Spock

were does the extra strength come from?

I have been following this thread and i am also still trying too work out were all the stength is in the in internal cage? My exo on the zook had heaps more bracing than mark's internal cage there is just no way you could have that many braces inside there is just not enough room. Plus the internal only relys on the body My exo was mounted to the chassis at 12 points.

redzook wrote:

Pinball wrote:i'm fitting an internal this weekend.

a; tends to be a comp requirement
b; looks
c; allows for triangulated cross bracing
d; not to painful in a soft top to drop in or remove

if you are only goint to lay down on the side for a little nap then an exo should be fine... but if you are likely to roll multiple times with any force, due to speed or gravity then the extra strength is unbeatable.

Spock

were does the extra strength come from?

The extre strenght comes from point "c"

The only difference between most internals and externals is the cross bracing of the main hoop.

It is easy to get the same strenght if u have a ute as u just cross brace behind the cab, with a wagon u will have to cut some holes in the body to get the cross bracing through, which i dont think is that big of a deal and dont know why more beople dont do it.

Remember it only takes 1 rock, log or even a mound of dirt to hit your windscreen frame to bend it and brake your windscreen. Not only will u be covered in glass but u will never be able to get a windscreen back in there again, and for something that will be driven on the road, that is not a good thing.