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was just cruising ebay and found this.....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Toyota-Landcruis ... dZViewItem

hmmmmmm something very wrong there
BUT BLOODY CHEAP AS THOUGH!!!!

some serious cooling issues there...

im sure there are better ways to do that

WT Hmm wonder if he thought just to get 1 flushed instead of putting another one on

Gotta be a reason why its so cheap... would alomost drive down there, take it for a hoon and find out why.

On second thoughts, I might just sit in front of the tv instead!!

asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to
so tell me this.... if all it was to solve the problem wood have been to graft an intercooler onto it........ wouldnt you have done that in the 1st place........ and not waste ya time with a dual radiator set up.........hmmmm

Hi there

Seen this on e-ay earlier tonight - thught I was seeing things with the dual radiator.

I have a middy fitted with a 2H and it doesent even come close to over heating. fix the problem and dont chase your tail.



Wayne

[quote="ellard"]Hi there

Seen this on e-bay earlier tonight - thought I was seeing things with the dual radiators.

I have a middy fitted with a 2H and it doesent even come close to over heating - strongly surgests to fix the problem and dont chase your tail.



Wayne

living proof that you don't have to know anything and mechanics to 1. drive the car, 2. to work at the service centre who did this abortion of engineering

Dual radiators

Only thing I have to say is that surely the bigger surface area will dissipate the heat quicker.

like a 6 core radiator really.

Dont really see why you all have a problem with it. If you have the room its probably a shit load cheaper than putting an aftermarket alloy one on there.

Shadow wrote:like a 6 core radiator really.

Dont really see why you all have a problem with it. If you have the room its probably a shit load cheaper than putting an aftermarket alloy one on there.

you really think an aftermarket alloy rad. wood help this situation? i have the same set up on my 3b in fact more boost and more fuel...i live in a climate that doesnt get below 15 degrees and always goes over 30 degrees and 90% humidity......... my temp runs on a third then climbs to half when accending a steep incline.......... so you can see the point we are all talkin about and the fact that i dont think anyone with this type of truck has ever done this mod...... not to mention waste the large amount of money on another radiator, brand new/ reco can fetch upto and beyond 500 dollars

MUSS wrote:

Shadow wrote:like a 6 core radiator really.

Dont really see why you all have a problem with it. If you have the room its probably a shit load cheaper than putting an aftermarket alloy one on there.

you really think an aftermarket alloy rad. wood help this situation? i have the same set up on my 3b in fact more boost and more fuel...i live in a climate that doesnt get below 15 degrees and always goes over 30 degrees and 90% humidity......... my temp runs on a third then climbs to half when accending a steep incline.......... so you can see the point we are all talkin about and the fact that i dont think anyone with this type of truck has ever done this mod...... not to mention waste the large amount of money on another radiator, brand new/ reco can fetch upto and beyond 500 dollars

Dunno where you buy your radiators from, but up here a reco radiator is closer to $200.

So your saying that him increasing the capacity of his cooling system is a bad thing? Or are you saying that since no-one else has done it it has to be a bad thing? Or are you saying that it is not necessary?

Necessity isnt always the overiding factor. how many people NEED to have 8" of lift on thier 80 series? How many people NEED to have a bullbar. How many people NEED to put a turbo on a 3B.


Fact is all he has done is increased the capacity (both in litres and in ability to remove heat) of his cooling system, and i dont at all see a problem with it. He (whoever) has come up with a unique solution that will work, and work quite well i would imagine.


So all this whinging is really about is the fact that it is an ORIGONAL IDEA, that no-one has done before (ive never seen it done) and therefore it must be crap, uneccessary, waste of money, and hes a moron.


If everyone had the same attitude as the small minded zealots putting down this car, the world would still be in the middle ages.

i agree with shadow. All things being equal, and if the second rad isn't just to cool an inherant problem in the motor, then there's nothing wrong with a second rad.

If you got the room, and you live in a hot area, and you're always towing then it's a great idea. Yes your own personal bundy may only ever get to half way from a normal 1/3 position, but anything that gives the motor a hand to stay within it's normal range of operating conditions can only be good.

It's just a different approach but same result to some one who gets an ally rad, or bigger rad, or external cooler, or thermos. And i don't see you knocking those people

Shadow wrote:

MUSS wrote:

Shadow wrote:like a 6 core radiator really.

Dont really see why you all have a problem with it. If you have the room its probably a shit load cheaper than putting an aftermarket alloy one on there.

you really think an aftermarket alloy rad. wood help this situation? i have the same set up on my 3b in fact more boost and more fuel...i live in a climate that doesnt get below 15 degrees and always goes over 30 degrees and 90% humidity......... my temp runs on a third then climbs to half when accending a steep incline.......... so you can see the point we are all talkin about and the fact that i dont think anyone with this type of truck has ever done this mod...... not to mention waste the large amount of money on another radiator, brand new/ reco can fetch upto and beyond 500 dollars

Dunno where you buy your radiators from, but up here a reco radiator is closer to $200.

So your saying that him increasing the capacity of his cooling system is a bad thing? Or are you saying that since no-one else has done it it has to be a bad thing? Or are you saying that it is not necessary?

Necessity isnt always the overiding factor. how many people NEED to have 8" of lift on thier 80 series? How many people NEED to have a bullbar. How many people NEED to put a turbo on a 3B.


Fact is all he has done is increased the capacity (both in litres and in ability to remove heat) of his cooling system, and i dont at all see a problem with it. He (whoever) has come up with a unique solution that will work, and work quite well i would imagine.


So all this whinging is really about is the fact that it is an ORIGONAL IDEA, that no-one has done before (ive never seen it done) and therefore it must be crap, uneccessary, waste of money, and hes a moron.


If everyone had the same attitude as the small minded zealots putting down this car, the world would still be in the middle ages.

bloody hell get a grip mate! i dont and never have slagged ppl off for tryin something new...
if it works and is cheaper and more effective in the long run.... however i still think that the problem hasnt been addressed properly....
that is all im sayin you must obversly have to think that by saying that an intercooler would fix the problem....
why not do that then increase cooling capacity i work on a K.I.S.S system Keep It Symple Stupid i nkow for a fact i would be able to graft an intercooler onto my 3B for less then getting another radiator and modifing it to suit again these are my ideas and if you and every other "small minded zealots" cant see that im just discussing these ideas instead of puttin the bloke down... again you have to ask why sell it for 7500 and not more...... i had pretty much what he has on his middy , with accessories and abit more.... and i just got 15000 for mine...... so you have to think about why hes sellin it for next to nothin..... so before you jump to someones aid next time think about and dont get fired up

the guy did the same thing alot off the comp trucks do so why would it be a bad idea and I sure that it works.

bribiesurf wrote:living proof that you don't have to know anything and mechanics to 1. drive the car, 2. to work at the service centre who did this abortion of engineering

was more referring to comments like this.

I wonder even if he's selling coz the heads cactus, might it be a good buy at that money even if it costs a grand and a bit for a head reco??

I reckon this dude has sense putting to radiators. Look at it from the mechanical point of view;
1. Extra area dissipates heat.
2. If there extra room why not fit it.
3. Keeps his cooling system at a reasoanble temperature.
4. I doubt he will overheat.

Seems the muck spreaders in here are a little jealous.

Shadow wrote:

bribiesurf wrote:living proof that you don't have to know anything and mechanics to 1. drive the car, 2. to work at the service centre who did this abortion of engineering

was more referring to comments like this.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes, I've just seen so much of these band aid type solution out there, the basic formula is more power equals more heat, I realise cost may be a big decicion in these type of solutions, i.e, he had two radiators lying around and they fitted so bingo, all good.
I just know the thicker is not always better as the airflow just gets too restricted, that is why there is the alloy and four core options out there.
A good radiator shop has many different cores available, so a lot of times it is up to you to graft your tanks onto a new 4 core wider and deeper radiator to get the results you want as well as a remote oil cooler as an additional form of cooling.
I realise it costs $$$ and time but toyota diesel heads cost more, plus the associated grief and less fun time at wide open throttle if you have an overheating problem.
The price looks good though for a decent project to refine a little bit, just not the way I would have approached it thats all.

Gday
Looking at the motor it is a 3b with alot of 13bt parts...like the filler on the thermistat housing....probably cheaper to fit the second rad if you have a spare, than fix the original....never seen it done b4....usually a long cowl on these, but a std 75 2h cowl on this ....
Sounds like big problems have been had b4
Andrew

frp88 wrote:the guy did the same thing alot off the comp trucks do so why would it be a bad idea and I sure that it works.

mate ive been to many different 4wd events and i am yet to see a comp spec. 4wd with this dual radiator set up

bribiesurf wrote:

Shadow wrote:

bribiesurf wrote:living proof that you don't have to know anything and mechanics to 1. drive the car, 2. to work at the service centre who did this abortion of engineering

was more referring to comments like this.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes, I've just seen so much of these band aid type solution out there, the basic formula is more power equals more heat, I realise cost may be a big decicion in these type of solutions, i.e, he had two radiators lying around and they fitted so bingo, all good.
I just know the thicker is not always better as the airflow just gets too restricted, that is why there is the alloy and four core options out there.
A good radiator shop has many different cores available, so a lot of times it is up to you to graft your tanks onto a new 4 core wider and deeper radiator to get the results you want as well as a remote oil cooler as an additional form of cooling.
I realise it costs $$$ and time but toyota diesel heads cost more, plus the associated grief and less fun time at wide open throttle if you have an overheating problem.
The price looks good though for a decent project to refine a little bit, just not the way I would have approached it thats all.

i woodnt worry bout steppin on toes mate....... some people are just a little sensitive my thorts exactly.... have been discussing it with mate and agree with you that if ya got a spare one lying round to do it but most of us dont........... a definatley tackled it at a different angle

So now its a good idea.

The world is flat i tells ya.

its still something you dont see everyday

Wouldnt under bonnet heat/ airflow be the restriction in this setup.


I thought the old speedway cars b4 the days of thermos ran up to 3 or 4 rads in the back seat to try and keep them cool.

Cheers

More rads equals more water in the system in total, and more water in the rads cooling...so slower passage through them, and more chance of becoming cooler...
Is 7k cheap for a midi diesel??? thats almost enough for an 80 series.....

I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move

hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move

Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.

I also cant even see that there is a problem. If half temp is overheating, why the fuck does the guage go up to full?

gotoy wrote:

hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move

Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.

The intercooler will cool the intake charge which is so hot after being compressed in the turbo. without intercooling it will heat the water around the engine making the car overheat. if he had a pyro gauge on it i'd say the reading would be very high