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I'd like to get the spotties off my bar to give a bit better air flow for starters. I was gonna put them on the roof but i already have a habit of hitting the roof on overhanging trees and stuff. I was wondering if it's possible to get small radius lights that are as efficient for casting light as the big lightforces etc.

Is it just the bling factor that makes folk drive around with big xgt's etc?

i was going to put a row of four lights on the roof of about 150mm diameter.

Can anyone recommend a set of lights in this size that give great light output, preferably with the ability to put HID in them later on.

Also mods, what are the chances of getting a part in the FAQ or Bible regarding lights, HID conversions etc.

MILO

there was a thread on here about some British made super compact spotlights. Can't remember which section it was, maybe in the Rover bit. but they were basically torch size using Halogen lights and HID ballast packs I believe

yeah i think i saw those. I'm a bit dubious about them. I've seen the little halogen bulbs and they are bright but as a driving light i have my doubts.

i'm thinking along a similar vein though and maybe putting a recessed section inthe sloped part of the troopy roof for some lights. Plenty of room then

LF140's? plastic/polycarbonate so they are less likely to smash if you knock or bash them, and upgradable to HID all the filters available...

I thought the light output got better with bigger reflectors in general.. So i don't think any small light (~140?) would be as good as say a LF240

HotFourOk wrote:I thought the light output got better with bigger reflectors in general.. So i don't think any small light (~140?) would be as good as say a LF240

I agree with this. Up to a point, any given lamp is going to cast better light as the reflector gets bigger. Obviously with a really weak lamp a gigantic reflector is pointless, but with 12V lamps it seems pretty clear that 140mm diameter is suboptimal, while getting up around 300mm is great.

grimbo wrote:there was a thread on here about some British made super compact spotlights. Can't remember which section it was, maybe in the Rover bit. but they were basically torch size using Halogen lights and HID ballast packs I believe

pm landy_man, he be a distributor for X-Eng stuff.
See: http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Lite.asp?MID=43

Looked like a 12v 50w interior downlight in an aluminium housing.


The above mentioned HID faq sounds like a great idea.
I'm on to it!

Drop into Repco. Ask for the Hella catalogue. Hella has done for donkeys years a small round metal black half dome looking light. They come in 2 sizes. Buy the small one. The bulbs are phillips sealed beams, not halogen and if you pull them out they are labelled Aircraft. For a small sealed beam they are a brilliant pencil. I used them for years on a few cars and loved them. Clear glass front, no fresnel. Match halogen performance. 100W. I have 2 in the shed somewhere.
Failing that, the smaller Lightforce.

Paul

why not make a removable bracket for your lights, That way during the day you will still have plenty of air flow and at night its usually cool enough anyway

Just a thought

why not weld antenna mount type thingie bobs to the top of ya bullbar and mount the lights there

MQSWBUTE wrote:why not weld antenna mount type thingie bobs to the top of ya bullbar and mount the lights there

Its is probably illegal to do so

prob is
but how many members have roadworthy 4wds anyway....
not that 2 spotlights really effect air flow anyway drill a 2 1.5mm holes in the thermostat bobs ya sister or wash ya raditor out

[quote="MQSWBUTE"]prob is
but how many members have roadworthy 4wds anyway....
not that 2 spotlights really effect air flow anyway drill a 2 1.5mm holes in the thermostat bobs ya sister or wash ya raditor out[/quote]

There's illegal and out of sight, and there's illegal screaming out "please officer pull me over and check out what else is illegal on my car."

As for the thermostat, I'd prefer to ensure that all the parts are working at their optimum capabilities before trying to mask a problem by modding the thermostat. Although it can't hurt and i probably will do this.

thanks for the heads up on the hella stuff guys.

rockcrawler31 wrote: There's illegal and out of sight, and there's illegal screaming out "please officer pull me over and check out what else is illegal on my car."

That was my point also.. even though we have illegal mods here and there, its best to try and keep them to a minimum.. and they can tend to look a bit g hey

I can vouch for the Hella landing lights, they are fantastic, GE used to make to sealed beam unit and they had a chrome body. Had them for years and never seem anything that comes close for size and performance.

i think 4-7in of lift screams it more then bloody spotlights

MQSWBUTE wrote:i think 4-7in of lift screams it more then bloody spotlights

I kinda disagree:



verses

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:Drop into Repco. Ask for the Hella catalogue. Hella has done for donkeys years a small round metal black half dome looking light. They come in 2 sizes. Buy the small one. The bulbs are phillips sealed beams, not halogen and if you pull them out they are labelled Aircraft. For a small sealed beam they are a brilliant pencil. I used them for years on a few cars and loved them. Clear glass front, no fresnel. Match halogen performance. 100W. I have 2 in the shed somewhere.
Failing that, the smaller Lightforce.

Paul

i tried buying some a few years ago and was told hella stopped making them

bushy555 wrote:

grimbo wrote:there was a thread on here about some British made super compact spotlights. Can't remember which section it was, maybe in the Rover bit. but they were basically torch size using Halogen lights and HID ballast packs I believe

pm landy_man, he be a distributor for X-Eng stuff.
See: http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Lite.asp?MID=43

Looked like a 12v 50w interior downlight in an aluminium housing.


The above mentioned HID faq sounds like a great idea.
I'm on to it!

I reckon these would be easy to make.
I have very similar 12V lights in my garden with metal weatherproof housings that were about $25 each - just need to get the biggest output halogen bulb they can take without overheating.

Questionable how much light these would put out with such a small beam but if they were puit high you could fit say 10 in a row and stagger their angles for a big sweep.

Uhmm, might but a 100W globe and see how much they put out. Might fry the the fish in my pond though!

grazza wrote:

bushy555 wrote:

grimbo wrote:there was a thread on here about some British made super compact spotlights. Can't remember which section it was, maybe in the Rover bit. but they were basically torch size using Halogen lights and HID ballast packs I believe

pm landy_man, he be a distributor for X-Eng stuff.
See: http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Lite.asp?MID=43

Looked like a 12v 50w interior downlight in an aluminium housing.


The above mentioned HID faq sounds like a great idea.
I'm on to it!

I reckon these would be easy to make.
I have very similar 12V lights in my garden with metal weatherproof housings that were about $25 each - just need to get the biggest output halogen bulb they can take without overheating.

Questionable how much light these would put out with such a small beam but if they were puit high you could fit say 10 in a row and stagger their angles for a big sweep.

Uhmm, might but a 100W globe and see how much they put out. Might fry the the fish in my pond though!

Theres commonly two options

about 18degrees, and 38degrees. Have never seen them more than 50w, but that doesnt mean they dont exist.

Shadow wrote:

grazza wrote:

bushy555 wrote:

grimbo wrote:there was a thread on here about some British made super compact spotlights. Can't remember which section it was, maybe in the Rover bit. but they were basically torch size using Halogen lights and HID ballast packs I believe

pm landy_man, he be a distributor for X-Eng stuff.
See: http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Lite.asp?MID=43

Looked like a 12v 50w interior downlight in an aluminium housing.


The above mentioned HID faq sounds like a great idea.
I'm on to it!

I reckon these would be easy to make.
I have very similar 12V lights in my garden with metal weatherproof housings that were about $25 each - just need to get the biggest output halogen bulb they can take without overheating.

Questionable how much light these would put out with such a small beam but if they were puit high you could fit say 10 in a row and stagger their angles for a big sweep.

Uhmm, might but a 100W globe and see how much they put out. Might fry the the fish in my pond though!

Theres commonly two options

about 18degrees, and 38degrees. Have never seen them more than 50w, but that doesnt mean they dont exist.

I tried this, it sucked. Same as the little 50mm 50w spotties. Lightforce does a small unit. Avoid square / rectangular, I have never seen a set perform well. If you can't get the hella's there may be others with the same bulb. Look for a clear glass small 4" sealed beam.

Reddo wrote:I can vouch for the Hella landing lights, they are fantastic, GE used to make to sealed beam unit and they had a chrome body. Had them for years and never seem anything that comes close for size and performance.

http://db.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogu ... lmaint=792

I have been running them for years sealed beams are the only way to go for me.


I have fitted 250W globes in mine and the light is white, bright and outa sight.

These seem punchy for their size
http://www.narva.com.au/ForwardLighting_5.html

Peter.

droopypete wrote:

Reddo wrote:I can vouch for the Hella landing lights, they are fantastic, GE used to make to sealed beam unit and they had a chrome body. Had them for years and never seem anything that comes close for size and performance.

http://db.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogu ... lmaint=792

I have been running them for years sealed beams are the only way to go for me.


I have fitted 250W globes in mine and the light is white, bright and outa sight.

These seem punchy for their size
http://www.narva.com.au/ForwardLighting_5.html

Peter.

That's the ones. Brilliant little suckers, even at 100w. You aren't going to outdistance Rallye 4000's or anything HID, but will happily beat any square H3 and many standard driving lights.

Paul