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How much and how long in hours should it take a workshop to complete the following on an 80 series. I supplied all the parts, so it is only labour costs I am after.

Replace:
All tie rod ends
Power steering box
Swivel housing kit
front wheel bearings
Front CV's

Thanks

About $250.00 to $350.00

1 day $350 i reckon

4sum4 wrote:1 day $350 i reckon

The Average workshop will bill out labour at $55 an hour. Now if your at a workshop that specialises in 4wd's you could possibly pay more so i would expect if its a days work its going to cost at least $400+. 9 out of 10 times you will pay more for labour if you supply the parts. As workshops also make money on supplying the parts.

brian haines wrote:How much and how long in hours should it take a workshop to complete the following on an 80 series. I supplied all the parts, so it is only labour costs I am after.

Replace:
All tie rod ends
Power steering box
Swivel housing kit
front wheel bearings
Front CV's

Thanks

According to the copy of VACC Times Guide For Mechanical Repairs I have in front of me it stipulates as follows. I should also stress that in many cases the times in this publication in my opinion under-quotes the time it takes to do the job properly.

Tie Rod End renew one - 0.5 Assuming you got all 4 done (Left and Right Outer plus Relay Rod Left and Right) we'll call this 2 hrs

Steering Box (power steering) R & R - 1.5

Swivel Housing Seals renew one side - 1.8 So 3.6 hrs for both sides.

Front Inner and Outer Bearings renew one side - 1.4 So 2.8hrs for both sides.

Front Axle Drive Shaft R&R one - 1.4 So 2.8 hrs for both.

These are the individual times stipulated for each job, it works out to a total of 12.7 hrs.

Now considering the swivel housing kit, wheel bearings and cvs were done while the hubs were off you could say maybe 5 Hrs for both sides to do all 3 jobs (2.5hrs each side). The other jobs would remain the same so that gives us:

TRE's - 2
Steer Box - 1.5
Swiv/FWBearings/CV's - 5
Total - 8.5

Lets say they charge $65/hr (which is fairly cheap these days (Toyota were closer to $95 last time I checked) but we'll use this figure for now)

8.5 x $65 = $552.50
Did you supply grease, power steer oil, split pins or any other consumables? If not then add more ontop to cover.

How much did they charge you?

Struth wrote:About $250.00 to $350.00

$250 divided by eight hours is $31.25 an hour. That was back in the eighties!

55 dollars and hour.. wow.. hicktown. I dunno where you guys are from but melb metro 100 bucks, geelong and surrounds 70 bucks. I wouldn't expect you to get it done for under 500 bucks down here.

EDIT. just read the post above (posted same timeish)
Toyota dealer down here.. 100 bones an hour.. 850 bucks!

I got Pro Comp in Narre Warren to quote it and they said $600. However they cant do it for 2 weeks, however i was prepared to pay that much. So they referred me to some one else which I will mention later and they are charging it out at $88p/h gst inc. He reckons it will take a day and a half of labour. Thats 12hrs @ $88 or $1056. Now I wont get the bill until Tuesday when the work is complete, but I have a feeling it may be even more $ than that by the time they are finished?

brian haines wrote:I got Pro Comp in Narre Warren to quote it and they said $600. However they cant do it for 2 weeks, however i was prepared to pay that much. So they referred me to some one else which I will mention later and they are charging it out at $88p/h gst inc. He reckons it will take a day and a half of labour. Thats 12hrs @ $88 or $1056. Now I wont get the bill until Tuesday when the work is complete, but I have a feeling it may be even more $ than that by the time they are finished?

Now your ripping yourself off. You want to work done quick, so you gotta pay double.

Just a thought – purchase a workshop manual and make the time to learn it yourself. If you know next to nothing about mechanicals, call on a mate – he would likely bend over backwards to help you and a slab or so of his favourite poison would do wonders for the next time you ask him to give you a hand…. Something to think about next time you need some relatively straight forward work done!

Cheers

brian haines wrote:I got Pro Comp in Narre Warren to quote it and they said $600. However they cant do it for 2 weeks, however i was prepared to pay that much. So they referred me to some one else which I will mention later and they are charging it out at $88p/h gst inc. He reckons it will take a day and a half of labour. Thats 12hrs @ $88 or $1056. Now I wont get the bill until Tuesday when the work is complete, but I have a feeling it may be even more $ than that by the time they are finished?

Just to see that I have understood this correctly and I'm not having a dig at you. You got a price (a good one in my opinion) from Pro Comp but they couldnt do it in your timeframe (there's a reason they're busy...). So you got someone else to do it knowing it would be at least $500 more but because they could do it straight away you would wear the extra cost? If this is the case why are you questioning if you are getting ripped off now that the work is already being done instead of the moment you were quoted almost double what you were quoted elsewhere?

Were you actually quoted 12 hours or are you assuming that because they said 1 and a half days? You may already realise this but just because your car is there for 2 days doesnt mean is gets worked on from when they open till they close (16hrs). Depending on the size of the workshop and the number of staff a mechanic can be pulled off your job to do another and then back to yours again many times in a day. Realistically there is better money in servicing and tuning (quick turnaround) than doing a labour only job (remember you stole their markup on all the parts they would have supplied) so they would be giving them some priority too.

For that sort of coin, Id drive down there tonight and do it tommorrow morning first thing.

A workshop manual is about $30 off ebay. a resanble set of tools to do the job a couple hundred.

2 days of work due to illness. Free

SO, Buy a manual and do it yourself, Thats why were all here, TO help others in return for help.

Goodluck

RUFF wrote:

4sum4 wrote:1 day $350 i reckon

The Average workshop will bill out labour at $55 an hour. Now if your at a workshop that specialises in 4wd's you could possibly pay more so i would expect if its a days work its going to cost at least $400+. 9 out of 10 times you will pay more for labour if you supply the parts. As workshops also make money on supplying the parts.

Exactly, we used to charge more if you brought your own parts. Mainly cause we lost our cut on parts price. But also, there is nothing more annoying that getting the owner supplying the wrong parts. Though $55 is pretty good labour rate Tony. When i was last working in the trade bout 1 year ago, it was like $75 an hour for small joints, to about $85 for larger private workshops, with dealers at ~$95 or more.


Layto....

I reckon about $700 - $800.

a case!!!

do it yourself... u'll learn so much more, about everything. Just start unbolting and remember what u've done, it's not rocket science. if u fuck it, just bolt it up the way u unbolted it and get someone one else to fix it properly.
Just what I think....
Simo.

Brian
Theres many ways to think of this.....if it needs doing, and you cant, pay
if it needs doing and you could...work out whats worse, working overtime to pay for a guaranteed job, or have a go in the driveway (if u have one)
Because you own a early model with v8, id suggest you look around for a set of larger callipers from later 80's and end up with better brakes aswell.
To do this you could buy a complete diff and reco off the car...so many possibilities that centre around cost vs time vs skill...
Andrew

simo toyo wrote:do it yourself... u'll learn so much more, about everything. Just start unbolting and remember what u've done, it's not rocket science. if u ***** it, just bolt it up the way u unbolted it and get someone one else to fix it properly.
Just what I think....
Simo.

I dont recomend he just starts unbolting. It can be plenty difficult if your not mechanically minded or havent worked on cars before. Just knowing the correct procedures for installing seals and gaskets can make the difference between a good repair and a repair that is worse than it was before.

Have a look at a gregories manual at your local auto shop, if they arent in plastic wrap read through the section and decide if you can do it or not.

If you think youl have trouble try and get a mate who is mechanically minded to help you out. Or, pay someone to do it.

brian haines wrote:I got Pro Comp in Narre Warren to quote it and they said $600. However they cant do it for 2 weeks, however i was prepared to pay that much. So they referred me to some one else which I will mention later and they are charging it out at $88p/h gst inc. He reckons it will take a day and a half of labour. Thats 12hrs @ $88 or $1056. Now I wont get the bill until Tuesday when the work is complete, but I have a feeling it may be even more $ than that by the time they are finished?

all workshops will add up the price of hours just incase something happens, you will prob find that if u went there and got it done it would be cheeper, thats how ARB works any way

Its a time thing for me. I could do it myself, yes I might have to consult the workshop manual or ask a few questions but I am mechanically minded. But there is a difference between doing a good job at the right price and taking advantage of someone in a bind. If procomp want $600 for work to be done, why should another company want double? Its called price fixing.

This discussion may have gone further than I was expecting. I just wanted to know if it was a decent price or not. I work every weekend of the year (Sat and Sun) except for 3 weekends over christmas, my employer told me that I could have next weekend off so I jumped at the chance, hence my time frame to get everything done. If I had more time I would definately have done it myself. Thats why the parts were sitting there, because I was going to do it myself before christmas.

To answer a question, yes I do have the later model brakes and I have fitted them front and rear myself. I have posted the procedure on here with pics before.

brian haines wrote:Its a time thing for me. I could do it myself, yes I might have to consult the workshop manual or ask a few questions but I am mechanically minded. But there is a difference between doing a good job at the right price and taking advantage of someone in a bind. If procomp want $600 for work to be done, why should another company want double? Its called price fixing.

This discussion may have gone further than I was expecting. I just wanted to know if it was a decent price or not. I work every weekend of the year (Sat and Sun) except for 3 weekends over christmas, my employer told me that I could have next weekend off so I jumped at the chance, hence my time frame to get everything done. If I had more time I would definately have done it myself. Thats why the parts were sitting there, because I was going to do it myself before christmas.

To answer a question, yes I do have the later model brakes and I have fitted them front and rear myself. I have posted the procedure on here with pics before.

Its not called price fixing, its called buisness. Amazing as it sounds, mechanics like the earn money too. If you needed your car in a hurry, then a mechanic that might work do other work as well as some work on your 80 over a few days now has to spend all his time on your car to finish it, so the mechanic looses out on the other jobs that are not getting done or booked in.


Layto....

[quote="lay80n"][quote="brian haines"]Its a time thing for me. I could do it myself, yes I might have to consult the workshop manual or ask a few questions but I am mechanically minded. But there is a difference between doing a good job at the right price and taking advantage of someone in a bind. If procomp want $600 for work to be done, why should another company want double? Its called price fixing.

This discussion may have gone further than I was expecting. I just wanted to know if it was a decent price or not. I work every weekend of the year (Sat and Sun) except for 3 weekends over christmas, my employer told me that I could have next weekend off so I jumped at the chance, hence my time frame to get everything done. If I had more time I would definately have done it myself. Thats why the parts were sitting there, because I was going to do it myself before christmas.

To answer a question, yes I do have the later model brakes and I have fitted them front and rear myself. I have posted the procedure on here with pics before.[/quote]


Its not called price fixing, its called buisness. Amazing as it sounds, mechanics like the earn money too. If you needed your car in a hurry, then a mechanic that might work do other work as well as some work on your 80 over a few days now has to spend all his time on your car to finish it, so the mechanic looses out on the other jobs that are not getting done or booked in.


Layto....[/quote]


well, i sorta agree. Yes the workshop is putting aside time to do a job exclusively as a favour. But there's business, and there's ethical business. I'd agree to putting mild premium on the price for a rush job, but charging more per hour because you're losing out on parts sales is smelling a little off, as is a almost double price mark up. It works both ways, a little integrity in pricing will ensure both repeat business and the spreading of word of mouth business. I've had mechanics who have explained the process of some maintenance proceedure after i've paid them to do it the first time knowing that i won't have to pay them for the job again, and mechanics who have taken my coin, charged more than the quote, and done a shonky job. Guess which one i went to again for other jobs.

of course, it's always the customers choice whether or not to accept the terms. don't like the price - wait till you can get a price you like

don't worry brian. when we run out of oil then you can offer whatever peanuts you want for mechanical services. But i'll be out of a job then too so it won't make a difference to me.