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i am wanting to put a 350 chev in my lux and was wondering wat cosat am i lookin at.. to get someone to put it in and buying.. how good are the 350's and now mechanic think windors 302... which is better and why

I'd be asking your transport department first if you want it done legaly i'm not sure on the ruling of it all. 350's good engine alot of good parts available new and 2nd hand.

yer i should be mechanic sounds like its all good

what state?

In qld it wont be passed by qld transpoort, no matter what you do.


not only that, but i dont rekon its going to fit. Thats a big hunk of motor, and a hilux engine bay is anything but big.

In qld it wont be passed by qld transpoort, no matter what you do.

What are the basic rules for a engine conversion in QLD.

Rascal wrote:

In qld it wont be passed by qld transpoort, no matter what you do.

What are the basic rules for a engine conversion in QLD.

I forget the specifics but there is a spec on how much you can increase the engine capacity. It relies on the vehicles origonal motor size and the vehicles GVM

A 4litre can go to a 5.7litere, but no bigger
A 2.4? can probably go to a 5litre tops

And then there are all guidlines on what else needs to be changed. Its quite an involved process with much relying on engineers discresion, ie brakes sufficient etc, but the maximum capacity cant be avoided.

In Qld 5.0L is the largest engine size you can put in. At least that is what I was told by them while looking into my conversion. Was also told this was regardless of the original engine size.

But going on past experience ring and ask the next person may tell you different

put a 3.8 litre commodoore v6 into it, a much better choice for a lux.
Get a supercharged one for extra googlies.

Jes

if you can put a 350 in i would be doing that, as for size of the motor, it is actually much smaller than a 253 or 308 ,45 degree V against 30 degree V so fitting it will be easy.. does anyone know if it can be done in vic, am looking at putting one in at the moment??? i have gq diffs and 80 series master..

In NSW no bigger then a 5.0ltr

But then again, just tell them your 350 is a 307....who will know

sniper wrote:In NSW no bigger then a 5.0ltr

But then again, just tell them your 350 is a 307....who will know

they will look at the engine number

if engine number says 350, its a 350, even if its destroked.

if engine number says 307, its a 307, even if its bored and stroked to 373

yer true.. all i can do is hope and will call tomorrow to find out

Tuflux308 wrote:if you can put a 350 in i would be doing that, as for size of the motor, it is actually much smaller than a 253 or 308 ,45 degree V against 30 degree V so fitting it will be easy.. does anyone know if it can be done in vic, am looking at putting one in at the moment??? i have gq diffs and 80 series master..

Chev Holden V8's are 90 deg V 8's like all other V8's to get the timing correct the cylinders need to be 90 deg appart. The chev ia a lot more compact design thats why they appear much smaller. I had a 383 small block chev in my lux 15 years ago and all the running gear needs to be changed i had cruiser diffs, gearbox and transfer and it was pretty reliable. When i rolled it for the 3rd time i brought 75 ute chassis/body/pick up tray and fitted all the cruiser running gear and made a nice ute. Hilux running gear is just tuff enough for the std engines and thats it. with any more power all the reast of the runnin gear needs changin. Charged V6 makes a good conv as a mate did it and now has cruiser diffs and GQ box and tranfer that made it reliable.

Wally

[quote="Tuflux308"]if you can put a 350 in i would be doing that, as for size of the motor, it is actually much smaller than a 253 or 308 ,45 degree V against 30 degree V so fitting it will be easy.. does anyone know if it can be done in vic, am looking at putting one in at the moment??? i have gq diffs and 80 series master..

Where did these "magic" angles come from? This is really basic stuff to get wrong. As 80ute says, just abt all v configuration motors are 90 degrees between the cylinder banks. There are probably some v8s with other angles, but not many.

ha ha sorry boys i stand corrected, that info came straight form my fit up manuel from Marks 4wd adaptors, clearly wrong, any way it is much more compact motor though, relative to out put. From 308 to 350, will engine mounts etc need to be changed, and is it legal in Vic?? cheers

call linquip in brisbane. they do these conversions on a daily bases they'll know the legalities of it all.

in a lux i would be putting in either a supercharged or n/a 3.8 litre or a 308. as said the 350 will be too big UNLESS you get a 308 and stroke it. but also as said you will need to change the running gear

yer but now my mechanic is lookin into windsors... prob 302.. so guess need to find more info

the 302 windsor is a great little engine. it can develop alot of power set up correctly

Jes

jessie928 wrote:the 302 windsor is a great little engine. it can develop alot of power set up correctly

Jes

more importantly, it can develop plenty of low down torque

jessie928 wrote:the 302 windsor is a great little engine. it can develop alot of power set up correctly

Jes

yes it can, and reliable as far as i know too

yer mechanic said it will sh!t on the 350 and said can get it for great price aswell... its good when u no the right ppl..

dont know much about windsors but clevos are tuff as guts.... get a 302 and chuck in a 351 crank and u have a 351. stick 2V heads on your 4V head motor and make instant torque. not to mention they also sound better (in my opinion) than chevs which sound alot more rattly.
the only bad thing ive heard brought up is the front dizzy, but that can be easily fixed with prior preparation or just making up a splash gaurd.

ford motors love gas too

My engineer said (cutting a long story short) "I will not sign off a 350 in a Hilux".

he would however sign off the lighter and more powerful 1UZFE.

On the V6 commy option i read in street machine that you can stroke them out to 4.2L throw a blower on it and i recon that'd make some good power

chunderlicious wrote:dont know much about windsors but clevos are tuff as guts.... get a 302 and chuck in a 351 crank and u have a 351. stick 2V heads on your 4V head motor and make instant torque. not to mention they also sound better (in my opinion) than chevs which sound alot more rattly.
the only bad thing ive heard brought up is the front dizzy, but that can be easily fixed with prior preparation or just making up a splash gaurd.

ford motors love gas too

Yeah, gotta love the rumble of the ford v8. Theyre not a popular choice with 4x4ers or boaters because of the location of the distributor. A hell of alot easier to work on though thats for sure.
There is no way in hell the 350 chev will fit in the engine bay without a fair bit of modification. Let alone a 302/351 clevo ( you seen the size of these monsters?? )

I live in QLD and a mate of mine has an earlier model lux with a V6 chev engine in it ( god knows why ) and there is barely enough room to change the spark plugs

Let alone a 302/351 clevo ( you seen the size of these monsters?? )

There not that monster of an engine, and no tighter to fit than a 7mg or 1uz.
Cheap, reliable and plenty of bottom end.

There not that monster of an engine,

Rascal, he's referring to the Cleveland's not the Windsor and they are a monster

The Windsor is a great engine and there's a stack of performance parts available at reasonable costs. You could even start by using a XR8 etc with 220kw's.

You don't say what year your Hilux is but if its a late model you have to put the same year or later engine in unless you go total LPG.

I estimate mine is putting out around 300-350hp at the wheels but could be more yet it will easily give me 12-13L/100 but it is modified

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Rascal, he's referring to the Cleveland's not the Windsor and they are a monster

I was aware of that, I have owned enough Fords, rebuild enough 302/351 CLEVELANDS and seen them fitted into a hilux to known that there not that much of a monster to fit a hilux.

Rascal wrote:

Rascal, he's referring to the Cleveland's not the Windsor and they are a monster

I was aware of that, I have owned enough Fords, rebuild enough 302/351 CLEVELANDS and seen them fitted into a hilux to known that there not that much of a monster to fit a hilux.

clevelands are a big engine, they would be a silly conversion for a lux. not to say that it wont fit, anything will fit in anything, for instance a big block in a mini!

Jes