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Going to put one of the 2 under my lux.

Thoughts on the 2 please.

My thoughts at the moment are go with the 60 series diffs. I have a few reasons for this.
1 the longfields I have will fit.
2 the cross over high steer I have will fit with longer tie rod arm and drag link.
3 bigger stronger front centre and interchangable with the rear so only need one spare.
Width is the same as I have now with my wheel spacers and will fit under the tray without any changes.
4 the only draw back I can think of is I have to buy 2 new air locks instead of only 1.

80 cvs are stronger (but you don't kill standard longs, so less of an issue).
60's centers are further offset, 80's are centered (probably suit hilux shiate better)
80 front diff is probably strong enough with the airlocker (your brother doesn't kill them)
you lose diff clearance whichever way you go.

but hey, i run 60 stuff, so whatever works for you

if you go 60 series what will you do with the rear offset? you will probably have to move your fuel tank and go to a one peice rear shaft if you havn't already.
my idea would be to make a centred rear housing using 60 series centre and maybe custom axles if need be.

you going coil or leaf???

Haven`t decided yet but more then likely will leave the leafs in the rear and go 5 link front.

getting to more housings soon
just remember its only money there still printing it

go half way and put in 75 diffs Go the 60 diff, u can also run 80 centres if u like. Put the later lux calliper on as it has bigger pistons, v6 runner/surf has 80 series size calliper and fits 60 diff also. 80 booster/master fits.

why do you want to swap to 60 or 80 diffs?

one more advantage of the 80s diffs is an extra 5" of width over the 60s.

smaller cw & p for 80 front diffs.

how bout this...

with 60 diffs u can run std longs no worries.

If you're thinking an 80 for larger cv's but you'll get the weaker cw&p then perhaps consider doin a knuckle swap on a 60 housing with 80 outer knuckles and brakes etc and run their larger cv's and 30 spline axles.

Sam Keck ran that setup on his old buggy (nam's buggy)

TOM

tuf045 wrote:if you go 60 series what will you do with the rear offset? you will probably have to move your fuel tank and go to a one peice rear shaft if you havn't already.
my idea would be to make a centred rear housing using 60 series centre and maybe custom axles if need be.

Made up a centred 60 rear housing for my lux 15+ years ago and all i had prob's with was the custom axles + the $$$$$$ for them. I ended up with cruiser gearbox/transfer, 60 rear diff and custom 60 front with 80 c/v's axles, brakes etc etc. Started making up custom rear housings for lux's with cruiser pumpkin grafted into hilux axle tubes and have made over 50 of them over the years but if you want bigger axles go a GQ disc to disc and that works a treat just watch your ratio's if runnin a toyota front diff.

Wally

Why not run an 80 rear with 60 front? I personally couldn't see you running datsun parts under your Hilux.

The 4.1's would probably suit your gearing a little better. This way you get the strength and centred rear. This way your weak link will still be in the same spot (front inner axles). This could obviously be over come.

Custom diffs, custom axles etc just end up a PITA in the long run as you can rarely borrow a custom axle at an event.

Or you could buy my spare GQ diffs

I`ll be running GQ diffs under my buggy and that is ONLY because they were free. I wouldn`t put them under my lux even if I was payed to. Why? because stock is all you get. You can`t build them stronger like you can cruiser diffs and yes Nissan diffs do break. As stock vs stock go the nissan ones are stronger but once you build up a toy diff it ends up stronger.

I know the 80 diffs are wider then 60. But 60`s are the same as what I have now (with wheel spacers) and I am happy wih that. The wider 80 diffs mean cutting up my tray to make the tyres fit under it during compression, really I couldn`t be bothered with doing that these days. An 80 front means changing steering and why would I do that when I have good steering now.

Oh and I`m going different diffs because latter down the track I want to go to 37 boggers and am busting rear diffs now with just Q78`s. The one I just busted was brand new, it had only done 4 outings, 1 social, night pursuit, vic winch and well it didn`t even get to Nissan Trials so it only did 3 outings.

So I`m thinking 60 diffs with,
my cross over high steer
my longfields
surf front calipers
80 booster
allready have 80 master cyl
have been told late 80 rear brakes will bolt up, is this correct?
will also upgrade the dowls and studs on the rear axles (hello wally lol)

Guts wrote:I`ll be running GQ diffs under my buggy and that is ONLY because they were free. I wouldn`t put them under my lux even if I was payed to. Why? because stock is all you get. You can`t build them stronger like you can cruiser diffs and yes Nissan diffs do break. As stock vs stock go the nissan ones are stronger but once you build up a toy diff it ends up stronger.

I know the 80 diffs are wider then 60. But 60`s are the same as what I have now (with wheel spacers) and I am happy wih that. The wider 80 diffs mean cutting up my tray to make the tyres fit under it during compression, really I couldn`t be bothered with doing that these days. An 80 front means changing steering and why would I do that when I have good steering now.

Oh and I`m going different diffs because latter down the track I want to go to 37 boggers and am busting rear diffs now with just Q78`s. The one I just busted was brand new, it had only done 4 outings, 1 social, night pursuit, vic winch and well it didn`t even get to Nissan Trials so it only did 3 outings.

So I`m thinking 60 diffs with,
my cross over high steer
my longfields
surf front calipers
80 booster
allready have 80 master cyl
have been told late 80 rear brakes will bolt up, is this correct?
will also upgrade the dowls and studs on the rear axles (hello wally lol)

so how you going to overcome the offset pinion? will it fit without moving your fuel tank?

I want a bigger tank anyway and the only way I can fit one is to make a custom one so the tank isn`t an issue for me.

sweet idea, that means i'll be able to fit wherever you go

get fine spline pinion centers, with a solid spacer instead of the crush tube... even i kill cruiser pinions on 33's and standard 2f

go the sixtys, easy on parts, easy on spares, easy on the wallet, and they will fit under the lux, 80 amd GQ/U dffs are way to wide for a lux (as im finding out now) the WMS is level with the outside of the front gaurds.

would the 60s low pinion be stronger than the 80s high pinion?
and whats the prob with the set up now

With the longs in the 60s can the axles be up graded aswell

Hey...
Just on this, what are the widths of 40,60,75 and 80 diffs..

tryin to workout how much wider 60 &75s are then 40s, and 80s are 3 inches wider then a 60 yes??

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:Hey...
Just on this, what are the widths of 40,60,75 and 80 diffs..

tryin to workout how much wider 60 &75s are then 40s, and 80s are 3 inches wider then a 60 yes??

I thought i had book marked a page that had all the toyota axles widths wms to wms but i cant find it...

off the top of my head...

40s = 1400mm
60s = 1475mm
75s = 1475mm??
80s = 1600mm
100s = 1600mm
Hilux Solid front models = 1400mm
Hilux IFS models = 1475mm

Drop Bear wrote:

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:Hey...
Just on this, what are the widths of 40,60,75 and 80 diffs..

tryin to workout how much wider 60 &75s are then 40s, and 80s are 3 inches wider then a 60 yes??

I thought i had book marked a page that had all the toyota axles widths wms to wms but i cant find it...

off the top of my head...

40s = 1400mm
60s = 1475mm
75s = 1475mm?? 1400mm (or same as 40's)
80s = 1600mm
100s = 1600mm
Hilux Solid front models = 1400mm
Hilux IFS models = 1475mm

75's are the same as 40's

80UTE wrote:

Drop Bear wrote:

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:Hey...
Just on this, what are the widths of 40,60,75 and 80 diffs..

tryin to workout how much wider 60 &75s are then 40s, and 80s are 3 inches wider then a 60 yes??

I thought i had book marked a page that had all the toyota axles widths wms to wms but i cant find it...

off the top of my head...

40s = 1400mm
60s = 1475mm
75s = 1475mm?? 1400mm (or same as 40's)
80s = 1600mm
100s = 1600mm
Hilux Solid front models = 1400mm
Hilux IFS models = 1475mm

75's are the same as 40's

CHEERS GUYS!!!!
well that tells me i bst get myself some 80s then.

Are you busting your current front diff set up? I don’t see the point in putting an 80 front end in there, unless you’re purely after the width. If your only busting your back diff, I’d go with a 60 diff, for the same reasons mentioned above-Cheap, versatile etc etc. Also, I have seen a few diffs now, with 10mm dowels to “helpâ€

I run 4.88 in the hilux diffs.
Can get cruiser gears in 4.88 but costly and not easly found at wreckers.
Will just run the standard 4.11 with the cruiser diffs.

Guts wrote:I run 4.88 in the hilux diffs.
Can get cruiser gears in 4.88 but costly and not easly found at wreckers.
Will just run the standard 4.11 with the cruiser diffs.

Hey guts why not run the combo i have 80 front and IFS rear hilux.

you can interchange centers from front to back and the rear axels are strong

I know your consern with the cutting of the tray but you already have the hilux centers and and you can leave the rear track 2" narrower and just bolt it up.

Run our x link on the front with the 80 diff and save on the hassal with the 5 link.

Chad

Next Q.....
whos got cheap 80s forsale...... tidy, messy, hot or cold, as long as the price reflects its state....... PM me!!!