Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:03 pm**

well on my way home, minding my own business, and what do you know, a nice friendly qld transport officer stops me and defects me. now most of it is simple enough, fix stonechip in windscreen, fix rust. but something i have NO idea where to go for, is, approval for my body lift??? he said id need to ring around and not get a mod plate, but get an approval? anyone know what he's on about? i live in SE qld, and my body lift is about 2 inch?

he didnt peg me for the spring over, big tyres, or no flares tho

what a nice guy.

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 pm**

count yourself lucky, do a search for "engineer list" and ring around when you find it. it was posted up here a while back. all you need is to get it approved by an engineer who will issue you with a mod plate. then front up at qld transport with your other issues sorted and ya laffin............or cryin if they put you over the pits and find the SPOA and tyres and anything else you may or may not be aware of.

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:30 pm**

What are you driving mate and where in se qld are you?

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:01 pm**

its an 1984 4runner buddy, whys that? i live on the gold coast, but dont ind travelling to brissie or whatnot...

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:01 pm**

For a BL, don't you need to go directly to a QLD transport inspection station to get it inspected? And they WILL check EVERYTHING. So will probably see the BL.

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:27 pm**

Driving a 4runner, I wouldnt stress too much about been pinged for your springover.
They come from the factory like that

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:41 pm**

Body lift is gonna be your big drama, as it requires an inspection at QLD transport and prior written approval BEFORE doing the mod.

As to how it is now, I havent heard that QLD transport have ratified the new NCOP so I'd assume it's the same rules as b4.

You may be better taking that out and putting standard tyres on, getting it sorted and then putting it back in..

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:15 pm**

I had my bodylift approved in Queensland, and didn't find it that hard.

Yes, you have to jump through the hoops, in the right order. That means:

Ask for an "Approval to modify form"
Fill out the form - don't leave out any details, as they WILL check.
When you get your "approval to modify" certificate, ring and book an inspection.
Turn up, have your vehicle inspected.

What can go wrong?

Turn up with an unroadworthy vehicle: bald tyres, defective lights/wipers/washers will NOT be ignored.
Turn up without having performed all the work you listed on your application form.
Turn up with other modifications which should have been listed but weren't.
Turn up with other modifications which simply aren't legal (in Queensland) - such as oversize tyres (31" is probably pushing your luck for a 4runner.)
Turn up with an attitude. They're just doing their job, and you NEED them to like you. They don't HAVE to like you, and if they don't, you're in a world of pain.

Jump through the hoops, keep attitude in check and it's not impossible. Well, it wasn't.

Good luck,

Scott

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:20 pm**

i always thought 33's were the largest legal tyres you can have in qld? just what i got told by someone though....they are what im running...
or is it different depending on which car you have?

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:31 pm**

--sinner-- wrote:i always thought 33's were the largest legal tyres you can have in qld? just what i got told by someone though....they are what im running...
or is it different depending on which car you have?

Yes - depends on the vehicle.

The official story is 15mm over the largest tyre offered by the manufacturer IN AUSTRALIA as an option for that vehicle. And that's where the fun starts, as some "sizes" offer more scope to play with.

But my understanding is that Hilux/4runner came with 29 or 30" tyres, so 31" is technically too large - but the inspectors who did my body lift said they don't bother arguing with anything under an inch.

If you upset them, they may bother.

For your information, I recently moved to Adelaide. To register my Paj here, with 2" body lift, 2" suspension lift and 33" tyres I need an engineers report, incorporating the results of a lane change test and a brake test. It will cost over $1000. That's pre-NCOP; if NCOP is adopted here, the tests become tougher and probably more expensive.

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:43 pm**

were you defected at stafford today - I saw then setup there with the road marked out with witches hats etc

Tom

Posted: **Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:48 pm**

nah it was ferry road in southport, they had a police RBT setup, and i went thru that, and got called aside for a vehicle inspection....bastards haha

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:38 am**

As said before, make sure everything on your vehicle is spot on. De-lux off the board went in for something minor and came out with a bigger list of things to fix and another appointment with the DOT.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:43 am**

As said already fill out the form fit some 31s and make sure the vehicle is roadworthy.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:02 am**

where abouts in stafford were they? I got done at the start of this year in shand st enoggera for body lift and other things. I took it out and left it out but the inspector i had even said, "why did you take it out? I could've approved it" haha dammit! But yeh, they are really picky and apparentely body lift isnt that hard to get approved just make sure everything else is perfectly legal or they will find it...they are thorough in the pits. Process is definitely form>approval by QT inspection, no engineers or anything in QLD and you cannot get a mod plate for a body lift just a piece of paper after the inspection.

John

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:06 am**

Nev wrote:where abouts in stafford were they? I got done at the start of this year in shand st enoggera for body lift and other things. I took it out and left it out but the inspector i had even said, "why did you take it out? I could've approved it" haha dammit! But yeh, they are really picky and apparentely body lift isnt that hard to get approved just make sure everything else is perfectly legal or they will find it...they are thorough in the pits. Process is definitely form>approval by QT inspection, no engineers or anything in QLD and you cannot get a mod plate for a body lift just a piece of paper after the inspection.

John

Sorry for the off topic but it was just near Stafford City yesterday - fortunately I was in a govt car so I had no dramas - they didn't stop me but the might have stopped the rangie

Tom

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:57 am**

-Scott- wrote:
--sinner-- wrote:i always thought 33's were the largest legal tyres you can have in qld? just what i got told by someone though....they are what im running...
or is it different depending on which car you have?
Yes - depends on the vehicle.

The official story is 15mm over the largest tyre offered by the manufacturer IN AUSTRALIA as an option for that vehicle. And that's where the fun starts, as some "sizes" offer more scope to play with.

But my understanding is that Hilux/4runner came with 29 or 30" tyres, so 31" is technically too large - but the inspectors who did my body lift said they don't bother arguing with anything under an inch.

Same vagueness exists in NCOP too. They wont clearly tell us what we're alllowed in tyre sizes.

If the car came out with 7.50R16 as an option 33"s are "probably" ok - since some go well over 32" tall.

I think Hilux utes did but 4 Runner didnt have that option.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:15 pm**

Beastmavster wrote:

Same vagueness exists in NCOP too. They wont clearly tell us what we're alllowed in tyre sizes.

If the car came out with 7.50R16 as an option 33"s are "probably" ok - since some go well over 32" tall.

I think Hilux utes did but 4 Runner didnt have that option.

NCOP is standard tyre +50mm. So 7.50 would mean that 33's would DEFINITELY be OK, and 34's would PROBABLY be OK.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:02 pm**

NCOP is not active in QLD yet to my knowledge.

When it is I want some 34's, or 8.25R16 (no-one makes 8.50R16 that I know of).

But, with a new house I may just have to stick with 285/75/16's.

Why does it go 29,30,31,32,33,35 and no bloody 34's?

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:55 pm**

Beastmavster wrote:
-Scott- wrote:
--sinner-- wrote:i always thought 33's were the largest legal tyres you can have in qld? just what i got told by someone though....they are what im running...
or is it different depending on which car you have?
Yes - depends on the vehicle.

The official story is 15mm over the largest tyre offered by the manufacturer IN AUSTRALIA as an option for that vehicle. And that's where the fun starts, as some "sizes" offer more scope to play with.

But my understanding is that Hilux/4runner came with 29 or 30" tyres, so 31" is technically too large - but the inspectors who did my body lift said they don't bother arguing with anything under an inch.

Same vagueness exists in NCOP too. They wont clearly tell us what we're alllowed in tyre sizes.

If the car came out with 7.50R16 as an option 33"s are "probably" ok - since some go well over 32" tall.

I think Hilux utes did but 4 Runner didnt have that option.

There's no vagueness, they take the overall tyre dimentions from the tyre and rim association manual, add 15mm, and measure your tyre. In NCOP they will do the same.

It is up to the vehicle owner to provide written evidence of the manufacturers origonal tyre options, if you are not using the one on your tyre placard.

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:03 pm**

--sinner-- wrote:well on my way home, minding my own business, and what do you know, a nice friendly qld transport officer stops me and defects me. now most of it is simple enough, fix stonechip in windscreen, fix rust. but something i have NO idea where to go for, is, approval for my body lift??? he said id need to ring around and not get a mod plate, but get an approval? anyone know what he's on about? i live in SE qld, and my body lift is about 2 inch?

he didnt peg me for the spring over, big tyres, or no flares tho
what a nice guy.

What vehicle have you got?

The guys at the qld transport office are likely to pick up un more of your defects so id strongly consider fixing as much as possible before going in.

Spring over cannot be approved in qld and if they detect it in the inspection your vehicle will be grounded.

tyre size will probably be scrutinised aswell, although, you will probably get away with 31's as they are generally accepted and generally dont measure anywhere nearl 31".

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:43 pm**

4 runner with spring over is original and fully legal (unless it begun life IFS and coil, or IFS and SOA)

Posted: **Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:51 pm**

Beastmavster wrote:NCOP is not active in QLD yet to my knowledge.

Did I ever say it was? Also no guarantee it will ever be either:

ISUZUROVER wrote:Rather than just speculating I asked the horse's mouth - got the following reply:

Question:
Dear Robert,

I have a question regarding the NCOP for light vehicle modification.

I refer to section LS, page 16/LS71 - specifically the section headed
"Overall Diameter" (first 2 paragraphs). If possible I would like some
clarification on the wording "...than that of any tyre designated by the
vehicle manufacturer for that model". The clarification is specifically in
regards to which diameter to use. As I understand it - the "standard" or
"nominal" diameters for a given tyre size are listed in the "Tyre and Rim
Standards Manual" (and also ARD23?), and these are the diameters to be used
for calculating allowable diameter changes - is this correct?.

However for 4x4 tyres there are two different diameters listed. For
example, if we take a size of 7.50x16LT (commonly fitted to many 4x4
vehicles), the "Tyre and Rim Standards Manual" lists 804mm Highway Tread
(31.65"), and 812mm Traction Tread (31.96"). Which of these sizes should be
used when determining allowable diameter changes?

I feel that it would be advantageous to state explicitly in the NCOP,
exactly which diameter to use and from what source (ADR 23, etc.), as this
would save a lot of confusion.

One last point - I assume from the wording, that if a model of vehicle was
fitted with 2 optional tyres of different diameter, then the smaller
diameter should be used to determine allowable increase and the larger for
diameter decrease???

Thanks in advance,

Ben.
Answer:
Ben,

at present the NCOP for light vehicle modification is not called up in
Queensland legislation and therefore the content of the code can not be
used in Queensland. I believe that the situation is similar in other
transport jurisdictions.

The present situation remains the same, vehicles must be modified to comply
with Queensland's COP and legislation. Reference to the brochure about
modifying light vehicles on QT's website gives more detail.

The brochure can be down loaded from:

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... an05v2.pdf

QT is working towards implementing the NCOP in the later part of next year;
however, the outcomes of the Road Safety Summit (RSS) take precedence over
this.

It is also possible that QT may asked for amends to the NCOP following
outcomes of the projects resulting from the RSS.

About tyre size permitted, the tyre size to be used, in deterring
alternative tyre sizes is the tyre size designated on the tyre placard
fixed by the vehicle's manufacturer. The maximum size on the tyre placard
can be used. The brochure explains where alternative tyres are permitted.
Regards

Robert Gibson
Business Manager (Vehicle Standards and Safety)
Policy Advice
Land Transport and Safety
Queensland Transport

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