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my mate has just bought a patrol MQ and wants to do a spring over but what he want to know is do you have to do anything to the steering?

need to go a high steer setup. i have seen dodgy bent steering rods to go under springs and seem to do the job lol

snake racing do a hi-steer setup, ORI used to, lachlan may be persuaded to make one again, dunno

4130warrior wrote:snake racing do a hi-steer setup, ORI used to, lachlan may be persuaded to make one again, dunno

i think bbm are making them now. I was going to make my own but i think its hit the back burner again, due to business commitments

ORI still make. You hve to order through there web site though, Lachlan doesnt own it anymore, but they are still open and selling products the last i checked a couple of months ago.

why doesnt he just 2" suspension and 2" body lift it, maby some extended shackles, and drive that around for a bit?

does he realy need a spring over?

jimbo jones wrote:dose he really need a hi steer set up or can he get away with somthing cheaper couse its only a buget truck as he's 17 and dosent earn much

Apparently not, But it looks to me as if the springs will get in the way, A few of the european guys off here dont run high steer.

CHeers

dromana7411 wrote:why doesnt he just 2" suspension and 2" body lift it, maby some extended shackles, and drive that around for a bit?

does he realy need a spring over?

For the $$ of all that , you could almost do a SOA except for the steering and the rear tailshaft.

BUt maybe wise to learn the hard way, might make him a better driver later

Cheers

pongo wrote:

dromana7411 wrote:why doesnt he just 2" suspension and 2" body lift it, maby some extended shackles, and drive that around for a bit?

does he realy need a spring over?

For the $$ of all that , you could almost do a SOA except for the steering and the rear tailshaft.

BUt maybe wise to learn the hard way, might make him a better driver later

Cheers

I'm doing the spring over myself for him so that part wont cost him much more than a case of beer but I just wanted some ideas on the steering doe any one have any photo's they can post up of there steering and what thay have done thanks

Ill try and dig up some old photos of mine when im on my home computer. Screwy should have some pics of his old set up aswell.

MARKx4 wrote:Ill try and dig up some old photos of mine when im on my home computer. Screwy should have some pics of his old set up aswell.

thanks

jimbo jones wrote:

pongo wrote:

dromana7411 wrote:why doesnt he just 2" suspension and 2" body lift it, maby some extended shackles, and drive that around for a bit?

does he realy need a spring over?

For the $$ of all that , you could almost do a SOA except for the steering and the rear tailshaft.

BUt maybe wise to learn the hard way, might make him a better driver later

Cheers

I'm doing the spring over myself for him so that part wont cost him much more than a case of beer but I just wanted some ideas on the steering doe any one have any photo's they can post up of there steering and what thay have done thanks

Don't see how thats quite right, Springs - $200 second hand, BL - $115 new, shackles - $100 to make from scratch. SOA - Machining Steering is expensive to accept reverse tapered 75 series ball joint, extended brake lines are common or try joining 2 stock ones together for budget lifting, shafts need extending - about $150 for the pair if you know anyone, cut and shut perches is not too hard, engineers - $800 to $1200 depending on engineer, steering arms, hi steer etc - way more expensive than $415 I recon. wouldn't go extended shackles either - additional stress on springs and mounting points is dangerous. 2 inch spring and 2 inch body are way to go. You can run 37's on that combo with front and rear trimmed guards.

Snake Racings new Hi steering is much stronger than the old ORI which requires bigger screw in studs on the knuckle, the S.R one is a whole new cast hub. Mind you thats like saying king Kong is stonger than Goliath - both are well strong - Screwy never had any issues with his for strength in comps etc. Every one of my SOA patrols has had ORI hi-steer and all were fine - just make sure you get the allingment of steering spot on - all rods are to run parrallel to each other for correct geometry, then hope your ackerman angles are fine.

You can't really bodge up steering for SOA - if you bend stuff its illegal - if you crash you are deamed not at fault or at fault they void your insurance and make you pay for everything because of a non engineered SOA - Engineer won't pass it unless its proper h steer with no welds involved - you could machine the Hi steer up yourself but. Victoria however is different story.

Cheers,

Mark

at the end of the day you should tell your 17 year old mate this....

what price does he want to put on his life??

if you cheap out on steering your asking for trouble.
Steering and brakes are the only 2 componants on a car that you shold never go the cheap path. cause if either fail because you were cheap and bodgy then your life is at risk.

Do it once. Do it properly.

screwy

jimbo jones wrote:my mate has just bought a patrol MQ and wants to do a spring over but what he want to know is do you have to do anything to the steering?

Is it a long or short wheel base?

Nelso wrote:

jimbo jones wrote:my mate has just bought a patrol MQ and wants to do a spring over but what he want to know is do you have to do anything to the steering?

Is it a long or short wheel base?

it's a shorty

I don't know if you have to with an MQ but he might have to rotate his diffs too. Check with Screwy, he will know if you can get away with not rotating them. But if you do have to, its a fair size job on the front end. It might be an easier option to go the 2+2" lift and cut the guards.

Just playing Devil's advocate.

thanks for the info guy I will let him know

Both front and rear diffs will have to be rotated to make the pinion angle right and to get the castor correct on the front again

Id like to put my hand up for some pics, if anyonecan help out.

PLease, pretty please.

Thanks

check out www.nissan4x4.co.za a couple of MQ ute SOA conversions and all info needed

are mq/mk spring overs still legal in vic or any where?

g60boy wrote:are mq/mk spring overs still legal in vic or any where?

If you get an engineers report you can get them legal in NSW and VIC if you do it correctly.

screwy