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my hj61 has a 2H in it with about 380 000 k's .
i put a turbo on it a while ago and it has started to blow a LOT of smoke in the last two weeks... unfortunately this is due to massive blow by and i need to change some things with the turbo set up...

basically im after some info on how much it would be to rebuild the 2H, or if anyone knows of a place to get a good exchange 2H or second hand for a reasonable price???

cheers any help will be greatly appreciated...

wow, i only just remember you talking about putting that turbo on, bad luck!

mines at 290k and I have 90% of the bits to complete my turbo conversion.

What psi were you running?

There is a 2H turbo on ebay now
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LANDCRUISER-TURB ... dZViewItem

MUD80D wrote:There is a 2H turbo on ebay now
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LANDCRUISER-TURB ... dZViewItem

Had a look at the ebay add.

When he say's he removed and refitted the sleeves, I am assuming that he replaced the sleeves. In which case why would you bore and hone the block.

As for your 2H. Get a good desiel mechanic to have a look at it. A cost to reco it might suprise you. If it is just having blow by, (I would check your oil for fuel dilution) then if might not cost a huge deal to rebuild it.

my mate got a full reco done about 3 years ago and it set him back just over $5,000 fitted thats with everything replaced and or reconditioned

PM Carts of this board.

He's wrecking a 60 with a 2H in great condition.
He's in Sydney

A year ago i payed $6000+GST for an exchange motor including pump and injectors. Certainly not bottom of the barrell but i am a little suspect of the quality (and very suspect of the warranty support ) That was from SMS diesel.

-Stu

i only got me old 2h reconditioned about 6 months ago up the top end of QLD. Exchanged me old one in, got a fully reconditioned long motor as well as brand spanking new head, injectors and pump for a total of $5500 no fitted!! certainly suprised me the cost of it!! was not happy!

im only a second year apprentice so i cant really afford anything lol
but i will rebuild it myself (with the help of my boss) so really i am looking for rebuild kits...
i have seen a couple like pistons rings bearings and gaskets for around $1000
i got quoted $5600 for a rebuild form one company but i cant justify that much... and i definately cant afford it...
has anyone had experience rebuilding these personally and have any tips or things i should look for???
cheers

dybes wrote:im only a second year apprentice so i cant really afford anything lol
but i will rebuild it myself (with the help of my boss) so really i am looking for rebuild kits...
i have seen a couple like pistons rings bearings and gaskets for around $1000
i got quoted $5600 for a rebuild form one company but i cant justify that much... and i definately cant afford it...
has anyone had experience rebuilding these personally and have any tips or things i should look for???
cheers

Check eBay. Complete 2H rebuild kits for about $900 I think. Good luck.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TOYOTA-LANDCRUIS ... dZViewItem

bang bang. hope this helps.

dybes wrote:im only a second year apprentice so i cant really afford anything lol
but i will rebuild it myself (with the help of my boss) so really i am looking for rebuild kits...
i have seen a couple like pistons rings bearings and gaskets for around $1000
i got quoted $5600 for a rebuild form one company but i cant justify that much... and i definately cant afford it...
has anyone had experience rebuilding these personally and have any tips or things i should look for???
cheers

aparentrly it is about the easiest engine to rebuild.

How come you guys are surprised that your diesels cost $5000+ to rebuild? This was the entire reason I didnt buy a diesel as the rebuild costs are off the planet, obviously the diesels are more likely to get more km before requiring a rebuild, provided that they are maintained.

But yeah I was going to buy a 2.8d hilux or a 2.7 petrol, mechanic gave me hypothetical rebuild prices for both. Petrol was $2.5k diesel was $5.5k both including labor.

Do the research first so you won't be surprised when you get the bill! I spoke to at least 3 different people in the automotive trade, all gave me the exact same advice.

Cheers
Brad

Rb25sil80 wrote:How come you guys are surprised that your diesels cost $5000+ to rebuild? This was the entire reason I didnt buy a diesel as the rebuild costs are off the planet, obviously the diesels are more likely to get more km before requiring a rebuild, provided that they are maintained.

But yeah I was going to buy a 2.8d hilux or a 2.7 petrol, mechanic gave me hypothetical rebuild prices for both. Petrol was $2.5k diesel was $5.5k both including labor.

Do the research first so you won't be surprised when you get the bill! I spoke to at least 3 different people in the automotive trade, all gave me the exact same advice.

Cheers
Brad

You raise a good point. I wasnt at all surprised how much my engine cost to rebuild, but whilst i wasnt surprised, i was annoyed.

Why should a diesel cost so much more to rebuild? The parts cost a max of $500 more, I cant imagine there is any extra cost in machining, so really, I think engine rebuilders are just charging a premium on rebuilding diesels.

A 2H full rebuild kit costs somewhere between $800 and $1400 depending on what brand and who ya know. Same kit for a 2F is $500-$900.

Both need boring, both need crank grind, both need head (heads cost about same, $1k each) both need cam grind (maybe), and both will take a similar amount of time to assemble and dissasemble. Yet to rebuild a 2F is about $3k, to rebuild a 2H $5k.

Can anyone point out something im overlooking?

What about oil/injector pumps? I thought this was where the big money gets spent on diesels. Always see threads about folk getting these pumps overhauled and coming out with a lopsided nutsack.

Ive never owned a diesel and im just going on what i've read so if any of this is wrong I apoligise in advance, gotta have a go sooner or later though!

Rb25sil80 wrote:What about oil/injector pumps? I thought this was where the big money gets spent on diesels. Always see threads about folk getting these pumps overhauled and coming out with a lopsided nutsack.

Ive never owned a diesel and im just going on what i've read so if any of this is wrong I apoligise in advance, gotta have a go sooner or later though!

the price of $5k to rebuild the 2H does not include the injector pump

the oil pump in a diesel is nothing special and i doubt the gears etc are much/any dearer than those for a 2F

ahh ok so its just the injector pump thats exxy. How much extra are you looking at for the injector pump out of interest?

Rb25sil80 wrote:ahh ok so its just the injector pump thats exxy. How much extra are you looking at for the injector pump out of interest?

for a 2H between $750 and $1250 depending on what needs doing in the pump. Normally about $900 they tell me.

dybes wrote:my hj61 has a 2H in it with about 380 000 k's .
i put a turbo on it a while ago and it has started to blow a LOT of smoke in the last two weeks... unfortunately this is due to massive blow by and i need to change some things with the turbo set up...

basically im after some info on how much it would be to rebuild the 2H, or if anyone knows of a place to get a good exchange 2H or second hand for a reasonable price???

cheers any help will be greatly appreciated...

Getting back to the Original topic!!!... I'm presuming your boss has helped you diagnose this fault with your engine? If it's just blowing lots of blackish smoke then it could be as simple as the injector pump diaphragm. If it's blue smoke (burning oil) then there is a good chance you have bigger problems that just rings. 2H's do have a habit of cracking pistons or melting the side off them if boost is too high, fuel is not set properly of combustion temp is too high.
Cheers, Dan.

Shadow wrote: both will take a similar amount of time to assemble and dissasemble. Yet to rebuild a 2F is about $3k, to rebuild a 2H $5k.

Can anyone point out something im overlooking?

Yes two things you're overlooking..
1. You've obviously never actually rebuilt either of these engines 'properly'
2. Your not a qualified engine reconditioner.

did mine about 12mnth ago cost around $8000 for every thing ,someone pulled it for me i pulled it apart got the cylinders bored ,crank/cams were ground then put it back together myself ,injectors and pump were done,then needed a new head cos mine had cracks all thru it ,then had it put back in ,probly cost more than that once u add hoses ,new radiator and bits and pieces probly over 9000 ,ill never do it again,but hey you live and you learn

dybes,

get a donor 60 series

i think i might just get a second hand one... and if it dies i will think about rebuilding it ...
it is blowing a LOT of blue smoke and if you take off the oil fill cap and cover it with your palm it builds pressure... and a fair bit of it!!!
when i get a second hand one i will set my turbo up on it and then have a deisel mechanic go over it and tune it so i dont have this problem again (atleast not for a while )
cheers

haha just had a funny thought...
i have a 302 clevo in my driveway... i should slap that in it!!!
(scratches head) i wonder if there is a kit out for this???

jokes

cheers

Ruffy wrote:

Shadow wrote: both will take a similar amount of time to assemble and dissasemble. Yet to rebuild a 2F is about $3k, to rebuild a 2H $5k.

Can anyone point out something im overlooking?

Yes two things you're overlooking..
1. You've obviously never actually rebuilt either of these engines 'properly'
2. Your not a qualified engine reconditioner.

wow

cant argue with those facts.

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I am close to doing the same thing as dybles, 290k 2h about to get 8-12 psi.

Now, I am thinking is it worth getting a compression test, once again with diesels it costs a fortune - but would this tell me if I should continue or not ?

If a 2nd hand v8 60 came along I would buy it and swap drive train rather than turbo :/

Now I may be new to this internet yarning capper and it takes me hours to write a sentence with this keyboard, but I do know that a 2H takes MORE than twice the time to rebuild as a 2F. A 2H has an oil cooler,totally different oil pump, that is susceptible to wear and disastrous if it fails so has to be 100% which can be expensive (its the timing cover$1200 .00 new) there are more main bearings in a diesel 1 between each rod journal so more machining,diesel heads have precomp chambers that crack and need to be replaced and if the head only needs a surface it takes a lot longer to machine because the precomp's are hardened,glow plugs that stuff up,injectors that can drip instead of spray, inj' pumps that can play up and are an art to repair ,fuel control devices that can be a nightmare. If a recond' diesel cost's more than a petrol it's because it's more expensive to rebuild not because of some conspiracy.
I can have a 2F petrol motor out rebuilt and back in a 60s L/C in under 4 days a 2H takes about 8(thats my job so I do have some idea or I would'nt get paid) but a well built and maintained diesel will out last a petrol motor by 100s of 1000s of kilometers, will run on any angel doesn't vapour lock on hot day's ,doesn't get brian damage if it get's wet,can't be over reved and has twice the metal holding it together.
Now i've got nothing against petrol(best stuff for cleaning diesel parts)
But I've driven many different 4x4's in many different places and alway's had a better time with a clunker.Any way thats my 2 bobs worth back to the shed fridge.

goannaoffroad wrote:Now I may be new to this internet yarning capper and it takes me hours to write a sentence with this keyboard, but I do know that a 2H takes MORE than twice the time to rebuild as a 2F. A 2H has an oil cooler,totally different oil pump, that is susceptible to wear and disastrous if it fails so has to be 100% which can be expensive (its the timing cover$1200 .00 new) there are more main bearings in a diesel 1 between each rod journal so more machining,diesel heads have precomp chambers that crack and need to be replaced and if the head only needs a surface it takes a lot longer to machine because the precomp's are hardened,glow plugs that stuff up,injectors that can drip instead of spray, inj' pumps that can play up and are an art to repair ,fuel control devices that can be a nightmare. If a recond' diesel cost's more than a petrol it's because it's more expensive to rebuild not because of some conspiracy.
I can have a 2F petrol motor out rebuilt and back in a 60s L/C in under 4 days a 2H takes about 8(thats my job so I do have some idea or I would'nt get paid) but a well built and maintained diesel will out last a petrol motor by 100s of 1000s of kilometers, will run on any angel doesn't vapour lock on hot day's ,doesn't get brian damage if it get's wet,can't be over reved and has twice the metal holding it together.
Now i've got nothing against petrol(best stuff for cleaning diesel parts)
But I've driven many different 4x4's in many different places and alway's had a better time with a clunker.Any way thats my 2 bobs worth back to the shed fridge.

Thanks, thats the sort of stuff i was looking for.

Validates the $4k I spent on a rebuild, although mine has to go back, I think the expensive timing case you speak of will need to be replaced (high oil pressure, new reliefe valve didnt solve, which apparently means the case is too worn)

all this is quite intersting... when mine goes i shall buy a secondhand one for $1000 - $2000 methinks...

Like me Range Rover mate says ''I'd rather have a petrol when it comes to reconditioning"

well put goannaoffroad

anyone rebuilt a 2f with lower compression to handle a turbo ?