Outer Limits 4x4 Board

was chatting with a mate the other day about this. he hasnt let the rego on his lapse from when itwas a stocker.
but how do these guys that build from unregistered vehicles get rego, even if it is just for the purpose of being able to compete in some events

Cheers

Get it engineered

Get it engineered


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How would you get 37s engineered in Qld? Or a 4"+lift?

i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

badger wrote:i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

live in vic
but on a serious not, that sucks

Beastmavster wrote:Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

Even as an ICV you would need to make a very good argument as to why your vehicloe needed such large tyres. All terrain cranes are allowed to run 40inch tyres etc so they can get the floatation they require when they go offroad, but those vehicles are being built for a puprose of work, and must regularly travel on roads to get to job sites.

I dont really see what argument your going to be able to produce which would allow you to have 35"+ tyres,

"I need to drive between 4wd competitions" That aint gonna fly.

The rhino buggies (hummer things made at yatala) which are dropped on MQ patrol chassis are engineered as ICV's in QLD. Even these vehicles are relegated to 31" tyres.

I think the rhino buggies guy is on here, so maybe he can chime in, but of the 2 I know that have been registered in QLD neither was registered with more than 31" tyres.

Beastmavster wrote:Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

I think you need to look more into the ICV rule. It needs to be exactly that (an ICV) not a patrol with big tyres and lift. A patrol body on a patrol chassie with a motor swap, suspension mods and big tyres is never going to make ICV classification. EVER!

An icv needs to be more than just a Patrol with a bit of suspension lift... but when you're talking about completely redesigning the front and rear suspension for competition work (5 link front for instance), dropping a 350 chev and auto in it, low range aftermarket tcase gears, potentially using portal diffs etc.....

Add your bigger wheels and tyres and the only thing left thats Patrol in it is the body panels.

Does this meet ICV requirements? Non original Engine, Gearbox, transfer case, front suspension, rear suspension, front axle, rear axles, exhaust, wheels, tyres, rear quarters are cut.... rear bumper, front bumper etc all gone, swaybars gone, front grille is cut to fit high mount, ute chop rear end, etc etc.


Ok, the windscreen is still original, so are the front doors. But other than that, not much of a patrol left.

Every other component has to be re-engineered to meet ADRs for the mods... brakes, tyres, lighting, bumpers front and rear, exhaust noise, emissions compliance, crashworthiness, handling, braking.


QLD transport will not recognise a vehicle as an ICV if it still looks like the original production vehicle....

but how many comp vehicles really look that much like a production vehicle?

Shadow wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

Even as an ICV you would need to make a very good argument as to why your vehicloe needed such large tyres. All terrain cranes are allowed to run 40inch tyres etc so they can get the floatation they require when they go offroad, but those vehicles are being built for a puprose of work, and must regularly travel on roads to get to job sites.

I dont really see what argument your going to be able to produce which would allow you to have 35"+ tyres,

"I need to drive between 4wd competitions" That aint gonna fly.

The rhino buggies (hummer things made at yatala) which are dropped on MQ patrol chassis are engineered as ICV's in QLD. Even these vehicles are relegated to 31" tyres.

I think the rhino buggies guy is on here, so maybe he can chime in, but of the 2 I know that have been registered in QLD neither was registered with more than 31" tyres.

our allterain cranes / ruff terains run 57i tyres and we have to put such big tyres on them just to get them on the road in qld.

Our laws are retarted

Just gone through all this with mine
You dont get it engineered with 37's on only with 35's
Still had to get an full roadworthy though to go with the report
Just waiting on the rego label to come through
Cheers Dan

known 2 wrote:

Shadow wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

Even as an ICV you would need to make a very good argument as to why your vehicloe needed such large tyres. All terrain cranes are allowed to run 40inch tyres etc so they can get the floatation they require when they go offroad, but those vehicles are being built for a puprose of work, and must regularly travel on roads to get to job sites.

I dont really see what argument your going to be able to produce which would allow you to have 35"+ tyres,

"I need to drive between 4wd competitions" That aint gonna fly.

The rhino buggies (hummer things made at yatala) which are dropped on MQ patrol chassis are engineered as ICV's in QLD. Even these vehicles are relegated to 31" tyres.

I think the rhino buggies guy is on here, so maybe he can chime in, but of the 2 I know that have been registered in QLD neither was registered with more than 31" tyres.

our allterain cranes / ruff terains run 57i tyres and we have to put such big tyres on them just to get them on the road in qld.

Our laws are retarted

You need such large tyres to increase the contact patch with the road so you dont fuck the road as you drive your 20ton crane between jobs.

As you have an all terrain adding axles is not a viable option thus you must spread your load some other way, tall wide tyres.

The laws make sense to me, the reason you are allowed(forced) to have such large tyres is because you need them to carry out the specific role of your vehicle, a patrol doesnt.

Beastmavster wrote:but how many comp vehicles really look that much like a production vehicle?

In QLD other than buggies most of them do. Actually i cant think of one that is not easily recognisable. Even the MogRover does not class as an ICV.

Shadow wrote:

known 2 wrote:

Shadow wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:Potentially ANYTHING can be engineered with enough money... thats what Individually Constructed Vehicle regulations exist for.

If you work at a shop, and it's a promotional vehicle, and the labour costs are free (downtime, shop owner etc) then the cost of meeting the ICV requirements is greatly reduced.

Even so, I'm with you though, that most of these vehicles would have to be registered continuously and are in no way plausible as a "registered with engineering slips to prove"....


The competition organisers know that, but they dont care. They want to see big rigs competing because thats what the crowds and the sponsors love.

Even as an ICV you would need to make a very good argument as to why your vehicloe needed such large tyres. All terrain cranes are allowed to run 40inch tyres etc so they can get the floatation they require when they go offroad, but those vehicles are being built for a puprose of work, and must regularly travel on roads to get to job sites.

I dont really see what argument your going to be able to produce which would allow you to have 35"+ tyres,

"I need to drive between 4wd competitions" That aint gonna fly.

The rhino buggies (hummer things made at yatala) which are dropped on MQ patrol chassis are engineered as ICV's in QLD. Even these vehicles are relegated to 31" tyres.

I think the rhino buggies guy is on here, so maybe he can chime in, but of the 2 I know that have been registered in QLD neither was registered with more than 31" tyres.

our allterain cranes / ruff terains run 57i tyres and we have to put such big tyres on them just to get them on the road in qld.

Our laws are retarted

You need such large tyres to increase the contact patch with the road so you dont ***** the road as you drive your 20ton crane between jobs.

As you have an all terrain adding axles is not a viable option thus you must spread your load some other way, tall wide tyres.

The laws make sense to me, the reason you are allowed(forced) to have such large tyres is because you need them to carry out the specific role of your vehicle, a patrol doesnt.

now were getting off topic but what you say is true, allthough only qld and nsw laws require these size tyres as they come from the factory with a smaller and narrower tyre in wich the crane is designed to run on. So having the large tyre does spread the wait or is it just that our bitumen is weeker than other states? It does not mater how big your tyres when u turn them full lock with that much weight over each corner u rip up bitumen anyway.

icv??????????
cheers mick
ps. im really interested cause i wanna know if my 80 would ever pass

ICV - Individually Constructed Vehicle. I doubt you will ever mod your 80 enough to build an ICV.

hey tony is there any chance of getting mine engineered in queensland
cheers mick

I know a lot of people that do compliancing in QLD and i doubt any of them would comply yours. The basic rules still stand like can not lift or lower more than 1/3 bump stop travel, 2" body lift or increasing tyre size by X amount and there is no way around them. Its the mods that have no difinative rule that can be complied like coil conversions, body swaps and drive train swaps.

RUFF wrote: Even the MogRover does not class as an ICV.

Ralph said he got his approved ad an ICV??? But I do doubt it... It certainly looked like a normal production vehicle.

In qld it easier to get aprroval do a coil conversion from leafs then it is to get a lift passed on a stocko.

that is true jav. but you still have to have same bumpstop clearances, wheel size and track so they still dont get to have a bigger truck just they dont have to put up with leafs

we are building an icv and it has to be an icv! a trophy truck would class as an icv, but a patrol with original chassis number even with an entire glass body and non standard suspension is still a patrol. an icv is a full custom vehicle built from scratch. it also has to have a motor newer than 2002 and be fully emissions compliant, and needs further permission to be granted to not have air bags, side intrusion etc. your plans need to be passed by qld transport before work even begins. you are then give a dead line to work towards, after which your motor will no longer be compliant. furthermore unless you build a 4cyl the torsion / beaming would require a cad modeled (or excessively triangulated) chassis to meet the very high requirements (which are tested by replacing shocks with steel bars and placing dial gauges along the chassis, then loading with weights). One way around this is to build a 4 and later convert to an 8.

All the comp trucks i know are built and kept rego'd, than mod plated and have 31's fitted (and std height coils) to go to the dot etc. you would be hard pressed to find the old phone worthy's now days.

my truck has 9+ mod codes on 3 plates!

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:

badger wrote:i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

live in vic
but on a serious not, that sucks

I don't see how it is any easier in VIC? The rules still say no more than 1/3rd increase from bumpstops, not much track or height increase etc.

And a QLD mod plate is $75, in VIC an engineers is hundreds!

im glad i live in tassie.......

we are pretty much unrestricted in what we do.

well there are laws ofcourse. but rarly are they enforced.

CRUSHU wrote:

GQ4.8coilcab wrote:

badger wrote:i love the way u all say get it engineered.
35's cant be made legal in qld.
more then 2+2 lift is illegal
increased wheel track is illegal over sfa increase
not to mention all the other mods

live in vic
but on a serious not, that sucks

I don't see how it is any easier in VIC? The rules still say no more than 1/3rd increase from bumpstops, not much track or height increase etc.

And a QLD mod plate is $75, in VIC an engineers is hundreds!

A mod plate isnt $75 in qld, dunno where you got that idea from

Engineers charge whatever they want in QLD just like everywhere else.

To get a seat complianced can cost between $120 and $400 depending on who you see.

If you have multiple mods, the engineer must inspect and approve ALL mods, even if the mods have been approved previously.

If A car that is engineered and registered in NSW ok, but then bought by someone in ACT, what has to be done to change the rego to ACT?
Does it need new engineers certs or can the NSW one be transferred with the rego, or .... ????

Just asking, cause you all know the crap I've had from my POS and should I find something elsewhere, it sure would be nice if I didn't have to start from scratch with the modding. But the last thing I need is anymore carp to have to deal with, so if it's not a straightforward change, then nothing is worth that sort of hassles - even if the car doesn't overheat

badger wrote:was chatting with a mate the other day about this. he hasnt let the rego on his lapse from when itwas a stocker.
but how do these guys that build from unregistered vehicles get rego, even if it is just for the purpose of being able to compete in some events

Cheers

If they arent for road use, do they need to be engineered ? Or do they need to comply with rules specifically for offroad competiton vehicles ?

badger wrote:was chatting with a mate the other day about this. he hasnt let the rego on his lapse from when itwas a stocker.
but how do these guys that build from unregistered vehicles get rego, even if it is just for the purpose of being able to compete in some events

Cheers

you build the unreg. car to a road worthy standard. then u go spastic as
u like on mods.

RUFF wrote:ICV - Individually Constructed Vehicle. I doubt you will ever mod your 80 enough to build an ICV.

And there is nothing individual about an 80 series