Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:32 pm**

I may of missed something completely but...

Looks to me like you don't need a registered vehicle to compete at Tuff Truck.
This text is off the page at - http://www.tufftruck.com.au/eventrules.html

â€œThe Tuff Truck Challenge is a CCDA Group C Short Course event, run in accordance with the National CCDA Rules,
plus the following supplementary rules governing the conduct of the event and scoring of the special stages.â€

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:44 pm**

Dont get to excited a new supplementary rule is being drawm up as we speak ....Ive already been going over a similar discussion.....with Pagie ........

Maybe Greg will reply with a update for all competitors .....

Rego is complusory as is Engineers report ......or atleast that was the direction they were heading with there last meeting

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:34 pm**

[quote="zzzz"]â€œExcept for Open class vehicles, all vehicles participating in the Event shall be legally registered as a motor vehicle in their State,
Territory or Country of origin for use on public roads and shall be maintained in a roadworthy condition as required and in
ccordance with the vehicle regulations applicable in the State or Territory or Country in which the vehicle is registered.â€

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:12 pm**

I'm not quite sure how you determined that TTC rules provide details of non rego. At present the TTC rules do not provide details of which class of Group C TTC07 is and this is what would probably get you scratching your head, so if unsure you'd have been best to ask. However, there is nothing there deliberately that provide detail in relation to non registered vehicles. The aspect of providing details on which class is an oversight which has recently been found and is being rectified as we speak here. The nominations received will all receive advise via the mail and the official rules via the TTC website will be changed.

As for advising of movements in rules, I oppose promoting it first and foremost via a public form. MAYBE after competitors have been advised of changes, rectifications, additions etc then promote via public forums. I was really put off recently by the way a certain club that runs a major event in NSW chose to provide information via a public forum and not give replies to any direct communication. I was team manager for the 4WD club I am in and I sent numerous e-mails to the event director and cc'd the president. Not once did I receive a reply but the info was forthcoming via public broadcast or PM on a forum. I know some guys won't give a shit and think this is probably the norm but in my mind that ain't the way to run an event, there is no guarantee that important information is getting to the right person/people.

Pagie

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:40 am**

just cruizin' - you missed the bit I highlighted that said "except for open class vehicles" which basically negates the rest of that paragraph.

The rules are ambiguous at the moment in regards to rego and some other stuff.
Thought this would all be sorted considering how long the event has been running and how long it has been since TT06 to work on them.

If that comment about an engineers cert is true then it has to be communicated ASAP to give compeitiors time to get it sorted out.

cheers

z

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:23 am**

exactly...there is after all only 8 weeks till the event and it is a little late to be making rule changes etc now....

we are gunna be flat out making the comp as it is let alone getting the car finished and then travelling 12 hours to be knocked back on some technicality

dave

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:29 pm**

80lsy gq wrote:exactly...there is after all only 8 weeks till the event and it is a little late to be making rule changes etc now....

we are gunna be flat out making the comp as it is let alone getting the car finished and then travelling 12 hours to be knocked back on some technicality

dave

I made the same comments Dave forecept the 12hr drive

......

And was told in that if people didnt like the rules they would rather refund there full amount of cash paid ...than let them run in the event Dan

EDIT the above description of my view of the PM received from GREG PAGE is a total misunderstanding apparently it is not what he meant and I opologise for my actions ...please read my last post in this section for his actuall message that I misinterpreted ...

Danial

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:09 pm**

A1 wrote:
80lsy gq wrote:exactly...there is after all only 8 weeks till the event and it is a little late to be making rule changes etc now....

we are gunna be flat out making the comp as it is let alone getting the car finished and then travelling 12 hours to be knocked back on some technicality

dave

I made the same comments Dave forecept the 12hr drive ......

And was told in that if people didnt like the rules they would rather refund there full amount of cash paid ...than let them run in the event

Dan

If you were actually told this...and I have no reason to doubt what you are saying...then the organisers of TT need to pull their heads from the tightly jammed place in their arse

All you are asking for is to know the rules in a reasonable amount of time ahead of the event so that you can be prepared for it.

WTF is so hard about that?

That sort of arrogance is exactly the kind of thing that leaves all parties with a bad taste in their mouth...and there is no reason to have to be subjected to that kind of puerile sh!t.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:16 pm**

it isnt so much not liking the rules (i really dont give a stuff what the rules are as they are the rules of the event and we need to adhere by them)it is that we need to know the rules before the event so we can build to suit them..not build to what we are led to believe they are and then find out they have changed...

not having a go at anyone at all..just wanting clarification..we will be putting together an email to the organisers tonight with some questions that we have and i am sure they will get back to us with the responses we require

like i said earlier..better to find out now than be running around Friday morning of the event trying to change something

dave

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:45 pm**

80lsy gq wrote:it isnt so much not liking the rules (i really dont give a stuff what the rules are as they are the rules of the event and we need to adhere by them)it is that we need to know the rules before the event so we can build to suit them..not build to what we are led to believe they are and then find out they have changed...

not having a go at anyone at all..just wanting clarification..we will be putting together an email to the organisers tonight with some questions that we have and i am sure they will get back to us with the responses we require

like i said earlier..better to find out now than be running around Friday morning of the event trying to change something

dave

Yeah I do agree Dave ......Thomas Roberts and Greg Page have been helpfull with the above rules ..
I havent replied here to cause any backlash onto the TT or TEP ...... I only found out the requirements because I asked a question and this (engineers) was brought up in the conversation with Thomas ....And i did say the same about the rules getting changed so close to the event that it Could cause some issues ....

I'm not sure if this was a requirement last year or not ...if it was maybe it should have been addressed earlier than 8 weeks out from the event although there is 12 months of planning in this ...and things do get overlooked .........

I myself just want to know as soon as possible ....most engineers take a few weeks to get the papers sorted then to have time to get the cert no. onto the rego papers at the rta

Dan

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:38 pm**

An Engineers report was not required last year.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:10 pm**

And if it is this year I wanna know the name of the engineer that's signing off front hydro steering

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:02 am**

[QUOTE A1] And recent PM from Greg Page Of TEP]
And was told in that if people didnt like the rules they would rather refund there full amount of cash paid ...than let them run in the event
Dan

This isn't what you were told and you have spread a vicious lie and made slanderous comment. You have two options to fix this:
1. Apologise publicly for telling untruths.
2. Have the statement retracted.

Otherwise I'll view my legal options.

Greg Page

MY PUBLIC OPOLOGY
Greg , other TEP officials and competitors , general public

I opologise for my comment it seems as though I misunderstood a comment made by yourself/Greg Page
, just so there is no further no misunderstanding I have included below the original PM from yourself ...so that the other entrants in TT07 can interpret as they wish.

Sorry And please disregard my previuos comment
Danial Pitt

[A1's PM From GREG PAGE of TEP]
Dan, we won't change the rule on having to be registered (for both insurance resons and TEP policy of TTC) that has always and will always be part of TTC. If a nomination thought that he had the wrong thing done by him and didn't wan't to compete because he thought he could compete in a unregistered vehicle I'd rather see their nomination withdrawn and full amount of money returned. There is a ruling on the % panel side of things.

Greg

In the above comment/reply the original pm to greg I was refering to the engineers cert not the point of No rego ..............In previous years people have not had to show there certificate As Dave has mentioned Above..I metioned that it could cause issue's with implementing a supplement rule so close to TT07

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:35 am**

A1 wrote: Danial Pitt

did you spell your own name wrong dan???

dean

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:42 am**

I can see why TTC has such a high number of entrants these days.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:00 pm**

i was told that in the past never had to have an eng certif, if you need one now, and im only finding out now, i think i might have to pull out? as i dont think time will permit me to get one

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:14 pm**

in previous years no engineers report was required.

all you needed was rego papers that matched the chassis number on your compliance plate and a third party property damage insurance policy.

When the competitors payed there $600 to compete in this event, there was no mention of needing an engineers report, and was as previous years.

For the rules to be changed now is a joke.
Many of these competitors have payed there money and have built there trucks under a certain set of rules. for this rule change to take place only 8 weeks out of the event when 12 months of organisation has gone into not only the running of the event but the preporation of these comp trucks under these rules, is wrong.

and whether this goes ahead or not, it shows once again, the poor organisation skills of the TTC organisers.
I sincerly hope for the competitors of not only this years event but the following years events, that the organisers lift there game to a standard thats relyable, otherwise i fear many competitors wont bother in future.

screwy

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:23 pm**

seems to me after reading Gregs PM to Dan that it is a storm in a teacup and that they are not asking for engineers ..only current registration etc and there isnt going to be any last minute rule changes (which was my only concern) ..

our vehicle is regoed with compliance plates for mods etc so we are gunna be fine..

better get out and finish building it now..

bring on Tuff Truck 07

dave

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:25 pm**

If you do need a Eng Cert what needs to be one it ?

I can see people having 44" engineered.

When is the final decision on this ruling being made ?

Nick

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:53 pm**

A1 wrote:

This isn't what you were told and you have spread a vicious lie and made slanderous comment. You have two options to fix this:
1. Apologise publicly for telling untruths.
2. Have the statement retracted.

Otherwise I'll view my legal options.

Greg Page
Who the fark does this guy think he is the queen? Why is this the so called biggest comp in Australia and it has the least amount of competitors? Every year they do the stupid voting thing just to sell copies of 4wd monthly and then no one misses out cause there isnâ€™t enough competitors any way. Who are you going to take legal action against anyway? What you think you reputation has been tarnished?
Every body already knows that ttc organisers are un organised and Greg Page you have proven your reputation as above

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:42 pm**

ZOOK60 wrote:
A1 wrote:

This isn't what you were told and you have spread a vicious lie and made slanderous comment. You have two options to fix this:
1. Apologise publicly for telling untruths.
2. Have the statement retracted.

Otherwise I'll view my legal options.

Greg Page
Who the fark does this guy think he is the queen? Why is this the so called biggest comp in Australia and it has the least amount of competitors? Every year they do the stupid voting thing just to sell copies of 4wd monthly and then no one misses out cause there isnâ€™t enough competitors any way. Who are you going to take legal action against anyway? What you think you reputation has been tarnished?
Every body already knows that ttc organisers are un organised and Greg Page you have proven your reputation as above

What I was thinking.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:29 am**

hienuf wrote:
ZOOK60 wrote:
A1 wrote:

This isn't what you were told and you have spread a vicious lie and made slanderous comment. You have two options to fix this:
1. Apologise publicly for telling untruths.
2. Have the statement retracted.

Otherwise I'll view my legal options.

Greg Page
Who the fark does this guy think he is the queen? Why is this the so called biggest comp in Australia and it has the least amount of competitors? Every year they do the stupid voting thing just to sell copies of 4wd monthly and then no one misses out cause there isnâ€™t enough competitors any way. Who are you going to take legal action against anyway? What you think you reputation has been tarnished?
Every body already knows that ttc organisers are un organised and Greg Page you have proven your reputation as above

What I was thinking.
I will second that motion!!

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:33 pm**

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:in previous years no engineers report was required.

Correction,
2001 no report needed
2002 FULL report needed, and they were hard as on some for having it weeks before the event. I know a few people pulled out because they couldn`t get the paperwork off the engineer quick enough for the cut off date which was weeks before the event. Others (a big yellow n blue 75 just to name one) did NOT even have an engineer look at their rig till a few days before the event. This was one of the defining moments of TTC for me, well that and somebody was allowed to take their rig home to work on it but I wasn`t even allowed to camp with my mates.
2005 no report needed
2006 no report needed.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:36 pm**

UPDATED supplementary RULES..........From TTC Site

The Following Rules are the Supplementary Rules for Tuff Truck Challenge

REFERENCE: 4.1.2 of CCDA Manual of Four Wheel Drive Motor Sport for Four Wheel Drive Competitive Events

We would like to advise you that the Tough Dog-Tuff Dog Challenge 2007 (TTC07) is a CCDA Group C event being classed as c) Open as per CCDA national rules. This information is an addition to information that has been provided.

A rule amendment to rule # 4.1.2 is as follows:

All vehicles participating in this event shall be legally registered as a motor vehicle in their State, Territory or Country of origin for use on public roads and shall be maintained in a roadworthy condition as required and in accordance with the vehicle regulations applicable in the State or Territory or Country in which the vehicle is registered.

Any vehicle modification required by the vehicle registering authority to have engineering certification shall have such certification completed and acknowledged by the registering authority before presentation of the vehicle for scrutineering. The Chief Scrutineer will require proof of such acknowledgement.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:45 pm**

I think the numbers are going to get smaller not bigger

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:53 pm**

YAHOOOOO!!!!!

WE are going to win!!!! at last!

but its a long drive from QLD in a $hitty hilux.

Lucky i bought those 33" TRXUS radials to compete on

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:54 pm**

I hope for the sake of some of the guys busting their arses in the Members Section that they have enough time left to meet the changing requirements. Be a shame for them and their sponsors to miss out due to a piece of paper they didn't know they needed until now.

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:09 pm**

A1 wrote:UPDATED supplementary RULES..........From TTC Site

All vehicles participating in this event shall be legally registered as a motor vehicle in their State, Territory or Country of origin for use on public roads and shall be maintained in a roadworthy condition as required and in accordance with the vehicle regulations applicable in the State or Territory or Country in which the vehicle is registered.

Found the Loop hole

Registered in thailand

Bring on the buggies

now if only i had one.....
Oh mock......... can i borrow your buggy

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:23 pm**

storm in a teacup boys...just got off the phone to the Tuff Truck people and all i can say is if anybody is concerned about not meeting their requirements then all you need to do is contact them...their is no late breaking changes to the rules..

i spoke to Thomas Roberts who was very helpful and gave me the answers i needed to hear...forget all the crap flying around in this thread and find out from the horses mouth

dave

ps..we are in so its you and me so far Greg

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:40 pm**

Big Red Toy wrote:
A1 wrote:UPDATED supplementary RULES..........From TTC Site

All vehicles participating in this event shall be legally registered as a motor vehicle in their State, Territory or Country of origin for use on public roads and shall be maintained in a roadworthy condition as required and in accordance with the vehicle regulations applicable in the State or Territory or Country in which the vehicle is registered.

Found the Loop hole Registered in thailand

Bring on the buggies now if only i had one.....
Oh mock......... can i borrow your buggy

woot

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