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Been looking at the solid receiver recovery unit with the shackle attachment.



My question is instead of buying one of these, can you snatch from a shackle through the towbar tongue?

Ie...remove the ball from the tow bar tongue and replace with a shackle?


Cheers

Andrew

86MUD wrote:Been looking at the solid receiver recovery unit with the shackle attachment.



My question is instead of buying one of these, can you snatch from a shackle through the towbar tongue?

Ie...remove the ball from the tow bar tongue and replace with a shackle?


Cheers

Andrew

Why not remove the tounge, and slip th pin through the snatch strap in the reciever like all 4wd training shows?

I normally do that....but when the rear end of the car was stuck in mud...it was a struggle...

86MUD wrote:I normally do that....but when the rear end of the car was stuck in mud...it was a struggle...

Personally I wouldnt use a shackle like that, but if Im going into something I may not get out of, I'll attach the strap before going on and hang it on the spare...

Cheers Bogged...my mistake for not doing that in the first place..,,

bogged wrote: Why not remove the tounge, and slip th pin through the snatch strap in the reciever like all 4wd training shows?

An attachment like that puts the pin in double shear (as when you are towing). rather than just attaching the snatch strap to the pin which creates a bending load on the pin that it wasn't designed for.

However if something DOES break (however unlikely), you have an even heavier steel missile on the end of your strap.

I've heard a story (in fact i think there was a video floating around the web) of the L shaped tongue tearing off and becoming lodged in a tree. I wouldn't try it.

dogbreath_48 wrote:I've heard a story (in fact i think there was a video floating around the web) of the L shaped tongue tearing off and becoming lodged in a tree. I wouldn't try it.

Precisely why I wouldn't try it. Pulling from the bottom of the "L" effectively concentrates stress on the bottom welds. Once they weaken, the "L" can peel easily, and things get nasty.

Don't cut corners with snatching.

-Scott- wrote:

dogbreath_48 wrote:I've heard a story (in fact i think there was a video floating around the web) of the L shaped tongue tearing off and becoming lodged in a tree. I wouldn't try it.

Precisely why I wouldn't try it. Pulling from the bottom of the "L" effectively concentrates stress on the bottom welds. Once they weaken, the "L" can peel easily, and things get nasty.

Don't cut corners with snatching.

Sorry, I don't quite get what you're describing here.
Are you saying that using that thing above with the yellow shackle on it, inserted properly into your towbar, is not safe to snatch from?
Where is there any "L" shape on a Hayman Reece towbar with that thing in it?

I think they meen the L in the tow ball assembly....

The snatch recovery pic is what I use and have no probs with em. I always take my towbar off before I go off roading and attatch my recovery hitch (like shown). Saves time incase I ever get bogged....unlikely in an 80

sniper wrote:I think they meen the L in the tow ball assembly....

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I think the item in the pic is a good idea, despite the potential for Ben's nightmare scenario. If it becomes a missile somebody made a MAJOR mistake - like using something inappropriate in place of the pin.

We use one of the recovery units pictured above - VERY solid and designed for this purpose.
Remember the tow pin itself is not rated - but the forces for that sort of double sheer are far higher than most of what holds the rear of your rig together - so failure is extremely unlikely......and remember this is what litrally thousands of thosands of people use every day when towing and often heavy loads - definately as safe as the rest of your towbar setp (or more).

As for using the tow receiver itself one problem is thehole is not big enough for most decent sized shackles and 2 I recall seeing similar pics where the weld was failing/failed.

As for using just the pin through teh strap I won't do that again after bending a pin and having a pig of a time removing it.

ISUZUROVER wrote: An attachment like that puts the pin in double shear (as when you are towing). rather than just attaching the snatch strap to the pin which creates a bending load on the pin that it wasn't designed for.

I have seen people bend the pins that way. It wasn't a snatch strap either.

Is there a standard measurement for the pin from the edge of the sleeve?