Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:13 pm**

Hi all

I have a work colleague who has a pre 04 IFS hilux 3L NA diesel.

He is looking at a 4 inch lift from snake racing on sale at the moment for 2700 from a normal price of 3500 or summat like that.

a few questions, has anyone got any experience with this kit. i'm not real familiar with ifs hilux's. It's made by procomp and looks the goods, just wondering about my ability to fit it.

the rear is lifted with spacer blocks, any idea if he is likely to suffer axle wrap with the 3L diesel fitted with a turbo later on.

He is also looking to fit 33's, will these still rub on full articulation/scrub radius.

sorry about all the questions, and thanks in advance.

MILO

Posted: **Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:29 pm**

anyone? more info required?

Posted: **Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:49 pm**

I know of 1 guy in Nth Qld and 1 in Vic who runs the procomp IFS lift and they are wrapped with them.
33's will be fine, or add a 2" BL and 35's fit.
This is without any guard mods.

HTH

Posted: **Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:10 pm**

In the 4WD Monthly, Snake Racing state that the 4" pre 05 lift will fit 35s and that the 4" lift after 05 will fit 33s.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:52 am**

thanks heas guys will pass it on to him.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:15 am**

MARKx4 wrote:In the 4WD Monthly, Snake Racing state that the 4" pre 05 lift will fit 35s and that the 4" lift after 05 will fit 33s.

Thats because after 05 airbags are standard and you cant bodylift. Snake will tell you you need the 2" Body lift to fit 35s

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:39 pm**

I've got the snake Racing Pro Comp IFS 4" in my lux. Also got a 2" body lift with 35s. The front tyres do scuff the mud flaps a bit. Also doesnt seem to have any axle wrap (3.4 V6 manual)

Would be happy to answer any questions............send me a PM

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:18 am**

Do you have to redo the exhaust to get the front drive shaft in or have yours extended ????

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:00 am**

Yep had to get the exaust modified for the front drive shaft to fit in. No spacer needed.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:56 am**

If he's worried about axle wrap why not put a ladder bar on it.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:32 pm**

iv got the skyjacker 4" on mine for over 5 years and never had a prob with it, it looks very similar

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:19 pm**

UZJ40, does the Skyjacker kit have the brace that runs from the lowered front crossmembers to the gearbox crossmember ???

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:16 pm**

Did any of you guys have any probs with getting engineers for this set up

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:37 am**

35's will fit without a bodylift but may need some minor loving with a hammer to the innerguard at the back of the front tyre to stop scrubbing at full lock, 35's fit no dramas at all if you have a body lift as well but then the car is very tall and top heavy (I wish I didn't have the bodylift, but now everything is made to suit it and i cant go back)

I've just put 37's on my surf with a 4" procomp lift and 2" bodylift, but i've modified the kit slightly to bring the front wheels 2" forward for more clearence, and a slightly longer wheelbase. The newer kits are very strong, I have the older kit which is great but has required a several repairs and strengthening mods. I've thought of getting a new kit to replace mine as the new kits are a massive improvment.

catcha
Leeham

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:36 pm**

have you guys got some articulation shots with the 4" lift? Especially the front im interested in.

Looking at getting a surf and wacking on a 4" IFS lift possibly..

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:09 pm**

the skyjacker kit dosnt have those links on them, what do they do? is just bracing

Posted: **Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:16 pm**

It doesn't do much for flex from what i can see it just drops all the control arm mounts and diff assy down 4In which means bigger tyre's = more chassie clearance

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:00 pm**

Sic Lux wrote:It doesn't do much for flex from what i can see it just drops all the control arm mounts and diff assy down 4In which means bigger tyre's = more chassie clearance

I think it does a bit because as diff and CV's are lowered there is more travel to be had by adjusting bump stops.

Usually to get 2" front lift (std setup) you are not left with a lot of down travel. With this set up you have to ability to slightly increase the up and down travel, run larger tyres for clearance and still be great to drive on road which is where 90% of IFS rigs spend their time anyway.
Put a locker in the front and any lack of travel is delt with

If you can afford the setup, you can get a great compromise between daily driver and weekend warrior.

BTW I have no connection in any way to this product (or others like it), just my perception.

Posted: **Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:52 pm**

Unfortunately these kits don't increase front flex much. Yes you can adjust the bumpstops a little but the CV joints only allow so much range of motion before they bind. I think from memory the stock Toyota CVs allow 22 degrees before binding. I'm not too sure how these American kits that include the rear springs will work with double cab Hiluxs seeing as the springs are designed for single cab American pickups.

Does anyone have experience with the Skyjacker kit that includes the softride springs? I'm interested in installing one of these kits on my double cab 2003 Hilux. Also does anyone have any experience with the Skyjacker Platinum shocks?

Sorry if I'm threadjacking.

@leehamescort: How do your CVs handle the huge increase in tire size?

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:51 am**

I fitted the pro comp kit to my 98,the kit cost me 1500 in 98.. got it through a guy in sydney that specialised in suzukis.[cant remember the name].
the swaybar limits articulation and id recommend dis-connects to fix that. the 98 chassis was slightly wider than those before it and i needed to slot the holes in rear drop bracket for the front diff.
the u.s. models went to struts while we still got torsion bars.
so you may find your kit is the same with the hole issue.
like you guys said,the exhaust needs cutting because the front shaft goes straight through it once the diff is dropped.
33" 12.5 bfg muddies cleared with no body lift.
just had to trim flares near drip rail.
travel doesnt increase,the new spacers are just longer near the top ball in the top swingarm.
have a close look at the green lux pics.
hope that helps.
dont forget rear brake line and prop valve lengths.
good luck.

Posted: **Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:57 am**

G'day,

Never had any problem with CV's with the 35's, 3 years of 4x4ing every 2nd weekend on average and only ever broke 1 cv and 1 front crownwheel once i had the lokkas in it. (broke 1 front diff prior to the lokkas)

Have only done one trip so far with the new tyres, the usual favorites around Warby but was fairly dry last weekend so no real test. With lokkas there is a lot less big wheelspin stopping suddenly as it hits the ground so reduces the chance of breakages. without lokkas I doubt the front diff would last 5mins with the new tyres.

I only have a 2.8 Turbo intercooled so there isn't a huge amount of grunt turning them either so can only abuse the CV's so much. V8 coming soon I hope if the tax man is nice to me.

As for flex, there is definatly more flex from the kits, in theory there is none but when you ramp it, there is definitly more flex, and with a few tweaks you can get more too. IFS flex is decieving as the tyres stay vertical instead of tucking into the guards. IFS is not the hinderance in the serious stuff that everyone percieves it.

Catcha
Leeham

Posted: **Wed May 09, 2007 8:24 pm**

Hi All!

Do you mean to say that the Snake Racing 4" Suspension Lift and the ProComp Stage II 4" Suspension Lift are one and the same?

I was evaluating which one would be the better choice as I'm planning a lift myself and running 33" x 12.5s.

Worse comes to worst, I'll probably just go full OME and just live with the 2" lift that provides.

Best regards

Posted: **Wed May 09, 2007 10:31 pm**

Why not just lift cab 3in and they shouldn't hit it was in a topic a while ago start looking back through the pages and it'lll be there, seen one at superior today had 2in cab and looked to have 2in suspension lift with 33's and couldn't see any signs of hitting.
www.superiorengineering.com.au
might be able to come up with something from their page or shoot him a email or give him a call. It was a white dualcab 2.7 that i seen

Posted: **Thu May 10, 2007 8:25 am**

HardCharger wrote:Hi All!

Do you mean to say that the Snake Racing 4" Suspension Lift and the ProComp Stage II 4" Suspension Lift are one and the same?

I was evaluating which one would be the better choice as I'm planning a lift myself and running 33" x 12.5s.

Worse comes to worst, I'll probably just go full OME and just live with the 2" lift that provides.

Best regards

Yes the snake racing kit is procomp

Posted: **Thu May 10, 2007 12:15 pm**

yfz wrote:Yes the snake racing kit is procomp

Dang! And they're charging a bit more for them???

Someone suggested Skyjacker instead.

Anyone running that?

Best regards

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:28 am**

got a questioon guys.

the diff drop, does in move the diff down a 4inches or is it only 2 and the torsion bars wound up 2.

what else needs to be done eg. tail shafts, exhaust ect.

can u give me all the info on it even the un-nessessary things

cheers

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:28 pm**

Tuff.Lux wrote:got a questioon guys.

the diff drop, does in move the diff down a 4inches or is it only 2 and the torsion bars wound up 2.

what else needs to be done eg. tail shafts, exhaust ect.

can u give me all the info on it even the un-nessessary things

cheers

It drops the diff 4"

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:34 am**

leehamescort wrote:G'day,

Never had any problem with CV's with the 35's, 3 years of 4x4ing every 2nd weekend on average and only ever broke 1 cv and 1 front crownwheel once i had the lokkas in it. (broke 1 front diff prior to the lokkas)

Have only done one trip so far with the new tyres, the usual favorites around Warby but was fairly dry last weekend so no real test. With lokkas there is a lot less big wheelspin stopping suddenly as it hits the ground so reduces the chance of breakages. without lokkas I doubt the front diff would last 5mins with the new tyres.

I only have a 2.8 Turbo intercooled so there isn't a huge amount of grunt turning them either so can only abuse the CV's so much. V8 coming soon I hope if the tax man is nice to me.

Instead of putting the money towards a v8 wouldn't u rather sas it? Maybe it's just me but if your runnnig 37's already and still IFS the money would be better spent on proper flex?

As for flex, there is definatly more flex from the kits, in theory there is none but when you ramp it, there is definitly more flex, and with a few tweaks you can get more too. IFS flex is decieving as the tyres stay vertical instead of tucking into the guards. IFS is not the hinderance in the serious stuff that everyone percieves it.

Catcha
Leeham

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:38 am**

94lux wrote:
leehamescort wrote:G'day,

Never had any problem with CV's with the 35's, 3 years of 4x4ing every 2nd weekend on average and only ever broke 1 cv and 1 front crownwheel once i had the lokkas in it. (broke 1 front diff prior to the lokkas)

Have only done one trip so far with the new tyres, the usual favorites around Warby but was fairly dry last weekend so no real test. With lokkas there is a lot less big wheelspin stopping suddenly as it hits the ground so reduces the chance of breakages. without lokkas I doubt the front diff would last 5mins with the new tyres.

I only have a 2.8 Turbo intercooled so there isn't a huge amount of grunt turning them either so can only abuse the CV's so much. V8 coming soon I hope if the tax man is nice to me.

As for flex, there is definatly more flex from the kits, in theory there is none but when you ramp it, there is definitly more flex, and with a few tweaks you can get more too. IFS flex is decieving as the tyres stay vertical instead of tucking into the guards. IFS is not the hinderance in the serious stuff that everyone percieves it.

Instead of putting the money towards a v8 wouldn't u rather sas it? Maybe it's just me but if your runnnig 37's already and still IFS the money would be better spent on proper flex?

Catcha
Leeham

Posted: **Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:42 am**

Sorry guys my computer is playing up, my input is the last sentence.

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