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I'm converting my car to straight gas and when heading in the bush or up the beach i don't want to run out of gas and i was woundering is there any such thing or any way i can carry spare LPG?

Thanks

Rick.

Pretty sure this has been covered before. The search gurus are your friends.

Not sure about legalities, but i'm contemplating a similar move in the near future. Have thought about a couple of options, but i reckon the most do-able would be 2 scuba-type tanks and a main tank. Have main tank fitted permanently and scuba tank (about 50l i think) accessable with a shut off valve and unboltable. The other scuba tank can be spare, and you just replace the two when one's empty.

This idea is still in it's early stages of development, someone else might have a better idea. Keep us informed on how you get on with it.

GQ Bear wrote:Not sure about legalities, but i'm contemplating a similar move in the near future. Have thought about a couple of options, but i reckon the most do-able would be 2 scuba-type tanks and a main tank. Have main tank fitted permanently and scuba tank (about 50l i think) accessable with a shut off valve and unboltable. The other scuba tank can be spare, and you just replace the two when one's empty.

This idea is still in it's early stages of development, someone else might have a better idea. Keep us informed on how you get on with it.

a scuba tank woul be about 9-10l the average size lpg tank in most vehicles is 65l

Thanks for the replys.. I have a 92 useable gas tank but being a soon turbo'd tb42 patrol they love the juice lol

Not sure what i'll do really.. be good if a few other people had some good ideas maybe..

Thanks

Rick.

GQ Bear wrote:Not sure about legalities..........I reckon the most do-able would be 2 scuba-type tanks and a main tank.

Sorry but ....... Cant re-fill scuba tanks at the servo.


In the early days of LPG I had a sole lpg car and I carried a BBQ bottle around as a "jerrycan".
I had a hose from the BBQ bottle that simply got stuffed down the aircleaner trumpet, the BBQ bottle sat (seatbelted in ) the passengers seat and as you drove along you regulated the LPG by opening / closing the tap on the BBQ bottle in responce to the throttle position

Yeah I know.... crazy things we do hey !

That was back in the days when you could get away with mounting an LPG ( household type ) to the roofrack of ya car !


These days I use a forklift bottle, the bottle can be re-filled at any servo without question so there's a major plus for starters.
By using the supply line from the forklift bottle and connecting it to the main LPG feed line as a permant fixture & through a hydrostatic valve ( one way valve setup you have when you run multiple tanks.... legal requirement by the way ) the forklift supply line can be simply screwed on when required to the forklift cylinder, the tap then turned on and bingo away ya go.

Forklift bottles carry around the 38lit mark of usable LPG, more than enough to get ya home so to speak.
Carrying em is a simple cradle setup that you see on 99% of forklifts and can actually be purchased at the same time you buy the cylinder.
Mounting them for use will require the cylinder to be in a horiziontal position, but for general transporting they can easily be stowed in an upright position untill needed.

A wrecker of forklifts usually charges around the $150 mark for a 2nd hand cylinder and supply line, the hydrostatic valve will set you back a minimum of $80........ I've seen em for over the $140 mark tho.

The other alternative is to 'custom make' a petrol tank in such a way that it can be fitted into a small space under the rig.......
My main rig has 2 LPG tanks, the first being a 92lits ( useable ) and this is my 'main tank', it is located where the original petrol tank was well towards the rear diff.

The secound tank is located beside the transfercase and rear driveshaft, this tank has 38lits of useable LPG and is similar to a forklift bottle in size, this tank is my reserve tank.

The final tank is one I made from 1.6 sheet metal and it fits between the rear main LPG tank and the drawbar / bumper, the original filler is utilised as are the actual petrol lines / pump / and guage.
This tank holds exactly 38.6 lits of petrol and is my "oh shite this is gunna be close" tank.

This is all fitted up under a SWB MQ Patrol



Kingy

Can someone post up the dimentions of a forklift tank please?

how far does the 2nd gas tank hang down?

That sounds bloody awersome mate !!

I think i might try and fit a LPG tank were my 40L fuel tank is now just wounder how far it would hang down...

And the BBQ bottle idea and it being sprayed down the aircleaner wouldn't people these days be omg farking terrorist runnn!!


I'm also interested in what dimensions fork lift bottles are as that would be pretty sweet reserve.

Thanks

Rick.

Bad JuJu wrote:Can someone post up the dimentions of a forklift tank please?

810mm X 315mm

thats OVERALL DEMENSIONS...... includes bottom stand ring and top safety guard.
The genuine forklift supply hose is a 'dry break' setup so it can be left unconnected when the forklift tank is not being used or even in the vehicle.

Kingy

GRINCH wrote:how far does the 2nd gas tank hang down?

put it this way...... the handbrake drum on the back of the transfer case hangs about 2" lower than the LPG tank !!!
I dont run a bodylift either, so as you can see its well tucked up..... even the std factory bashplates dont come close to the tank


Kingy

I just measured under my car roughly just then and 310mm will stick out a fair bit under a SWB maverick... maybe it might get tucked up a bit better but it does hand down a little bit and then were it gets closer to the front of my car it the gap gets smalller ..

Do you have any pics of the tank under there and maybe even some mesurements in the pics LOL

Thanks mate


This might come in handy for alot of people wanting to convert to just LPG..

Cheers

Rick.

You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

Well i'm going to bring this old thread back up becuase now i'm on straight gas i get roughly 360mks out of my 90 uasable tank in the rear and i'm looking at fitting another second tank under the drivers side were my 40L fuel tank is that i'm removing.

I'm thinking maybe a forklift bottle is the way to go so i have a bit of extra range

Does anyone know if there is a servo near Land Crusier Mountin Park to fill up on LPG?

Were can i buy a forklift bottle from ? I have no idea

Thanks alot for ya help

Rick.

STIKA wrote:

GQ Bear wrote:Not sure about legalities, but i'm contemplating a similar move in the near future. Have thought about a couple of options, but i reckon the most do-able would be 2 scuba-type tanks and a main tank. Have main tank fitted permanently and scuba tank (about 50l i think) accessable with a shut off valve and unboltable. The other scuba tank can be spare, and you just replace the two when one's empty.

This idea is still in it's early stages of development, someone else might have a better idea. Keep us informed on how you get on with it.

a scuba tank woul be about 9-10l the average size lpg tank in most vehicles is 65l

Not a fvckin scuba tank but an lpg tank that is shaped in a simi8lar fashion, i think theyd hold swomething like 30-40l each. think outside the square. lpg tanks come in all sorts of shapes and sizes these days.

V8Patrol wrote:

GQ Bear wrote:Not sure about legalities..........I reckon the most do-able would be 2 scuba-type tanks and a main tank.

Sorry but ....... Cant re-fill scuba tanks at the servo.
These days I use a forklift bottle, the bottle can be re-filled at any servo without question so there's a major plus for starters.
Kingy

It is illegal to fill any form of gas bottle that is not securely or permantly attatched without a transportation licence.
It is not legal to fill a gas bottle at a servo just because it's a fork lift bottle. Yes you may get away with it without question but it's not legal..
And before you start with the replies NO a ratchet strap it NOT securely attatching a bottle.

Secondly there is no LEGAL way you can carry/transport/fill a cylinder in a vehicle fitted with LPG unless it is permanantly attatched and approved as per the fitment of the original system.
Cheers Dan

Beastmavster wrote:You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

This will not empty your BBQ bottle but it will syphon LPG from one cylinder to the other until the pressures balance. Same as if you use a fork lift bottle in this fashion you will only have half of the fork bottle as usable gas unless you keep running out the main cylinder and keep reconnecting the fork bottle.

Ruffy wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

This will not empty your BBQ bottle but it will syphon LPG from one cylinder to the other until the pressures balance. Same as if you use a fork lift bottle in this fashion you will only have half of the fork bottle as usable gas unless you keep running out the main cylinder and keep reconnecting the fork bottle.

I run straight gas on my Rangie running a supercharged 253 and 2x 80L tanks. I get fuk all range out of them and in central and north QLD there are not many servos with gas.
Even Cruiser park the closest is an hour away.
So any spair cyclinder LEGAL OR NOT beats the shit out of walking.
I thought maybe a 75kg house hold cyclinder.
Carl.

Carl Coight wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

This will not empty your BBQ bottle but it will syphon LPG from one cylinder to the other until the pressures balance. Same as if you use a fork lift bottle in this fashion you will only have half of the fork bottle as usable gas unless you keep running out the main cylinder and keep reconnecting the fork bottle.

I run straight gas on my Rangie running a supercharged 253 and 2x 80L tanks. I get fuk all range out of them and in central and north QLD there are not many servos with gas.
Even Cruiser park the closest is an hour away.
So any spair cyclinder LEGAL OR NOT beats the shit out of walking.
I thought maybe a 75kg house hold cyclinder.
Carl.

That's the right attitude... 'Screw safety in the name of wheelin'
If your POS isn't fuel efficient enough to drive down your street with a fuel up then look at tuning it mate. It must be one friggin hot 253 to use that much gas. Just cos it's supercharged doesn't mean it has to use lots of fuel. 2x80l tanks is 150 useable litres. even at 25l/100ks that's 600 k's. They way you're talking it's using 50l/100km's.. That's ridiculous!
Cheers, dan

pm DAZZ dude. Pretty sure he has a jerry can set up on his 40.

Check out 3rd rock's website as well. Prolly a fair bit of info on there too.

Thanks alot guys!

I had a look on the 3rd rock forum and i saw in one pic that he had a BBQ bottle and hose to the gas tank i think that's what he uses.

I'm interested in those scuba designed tanks that hold 40L becuase they would make my range alot better!

Is there any sites or site with pics and size dimensions to look at so i can choose what tank i want etc??


Thanks alot guys

I don't really want to use the bbq idea as i want to do it right and mount a another tank..

Thanks

Rick.

Mulisha wrote:Well i'm going to bring this old thread back up becuase now i'm on straight gas i get roughly 360mks out of my 90 uasable tank in the rear and i'm looking at fitting another second tank under the drivers side were my 40L fuel tank is that i'm removing.

I'm thinking maybe a forklift bottle is the way to go so i have a bit of extra range

Does anyone know if there is a servo near Land Crusier Mountin Park to fill up on LPG?

Were can i buy a forklift bottle from ? I have no idea

Thanks alot for ya help

Rick.

Jeeze - better get the tuning looked at! I get 450 to 479 km out of a 60lt usable LPG tank...and thats not a brilliant figure, but it's a 4.00 litre straight 6.
I get about your KM/Lt usage out of my old Cherokee that runs a 360 V8...and weighs 3200k.

Ruffy wrote:It is illegal to fill any form of gas bottle that is not securely or permantly attatched without a transportation licence.
It is not legal to fill a gas bottle at a servo just because it's a fork lift bottle. Yes you may get away with it without question but it's not legal..
And before you start with the replies NO a ratchet strap it NOT securely attatching a bottle.

Secondly there is no LEGAL way you can carry/transport/fill a cylinder in a vehicle fitted with LPG unless it is permanantly attatched and approved as per the fitment of the original system.
Cheers Dan

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Spot on

OzJeeper wrote:

Mulisha wrote:Well i'm going to bring this old thread back up becuase now i'm on straight gas i get roughly 360mks out of my 90 uasable tank in the rear and i'm looking at fitting another second tank under the drivers side were my 40L fuel tank is that i'm removing.

I'm thinking maybe a forklift bottle is the way to go so i have a bit of extra range

Does anyone know if there is a servo near Land Crusier Mountin Park to fill up on LPG?

Were can i buy a forklift bottle from ? I have no idea

Thanks alot for ya help

Rick.

Jeeze - better get the tuning looked at! I get 450 to 479 km out of a 60lt usable LPG tank...and thats not a brilliant figure, but it's a 4.00 litre straight 6.
I get about your KM/Lt usage out of my old Cherokee that runs a 360 V8...and weighs 3200k.

How lean is ur car running and remeber were talking about Tb42's the most thirsty straight six ever built for a car

People when using petrol get like 20L/100km so really i'm not doing to bad.

I went to the wreckers yesterday and got myself a airbox and while i was there they had like 15 different size gas tanks all different shapes and sizes so nest week i'm going to go have a at them and see what will fit etc.

Cheers

Rick.

Rick i have 4 Forklift Gas bottles here if you want them. One is a lightweight aluminium one. Im currently at Loganholme but will be at Greenbank by this time next week. I need a Gas bottle picked up from the Sunshine coast area. Im sure we can work a deal if your interested.

RUFF wrote:Rick i have 4 Forklift Gas bottles here if you want them. One is a lightweight aluminium one. Im currently at Loganholme but will be at Greenbank by this time next week. I need a Gas bottle picked up from the Sunshine coast area. Im sure we can work a deal if your interested.

We can sure make a deal i just got to make sure that a forklift one will fit and i can plumb it up so i can use it as a second tank like a back up one (not plumbed to the same line so that way once i run out of gas from the main i better head for a servo ..

I'll pm u some questions

Cheers

Rick.

Ruffy wrote:

Carl Coight wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

This will not empty your BBQ bottle but it will syphon LPG from one cylinder to the other until the pressures balance. Same as if you use a fork lift bottle in this fashion you will only have half of the fork bottle as usable gas unless you keep running out the main cylinder and keep reconnecting the fork bottle.

I run straight gas on my Rangie running a supercharged 253 and 2x 80L tanks. I get fuk all range out of them and in central and north QLD there are not many servos with gas.
Even Cruiser park the closest is an hour away.
So any spair cyclinder LEGAL OR NOT beats the shit out of walking.
I thought maybe a 75kg house hold cyclinder.
Carl.

That's the right attitude... 'Screw safety in the name of wheelin'
If your POS isn't fuel efficient enough to drive down your street with a fuel up then look at tuning it mate. It must be one friggin hot 253 to use that much gas. Just cos it's supercharged doesn't mean it has to use lots of fuel. 2x80l tanks is 150 useable litres. even at 25l/100ks that's 600 k's. They way you're talking it's using 50l/100km's.. That's ridiculous!
Cheers, dan

My car has 160 usable litres gas and offroad in low range i get aprox 320 klms . this is with tb 42 straight gas turbo , Sounds ridiculous huh dan ....... , but its f##ken great fun

bagsy wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

Carl Coight wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

Beastmavster wrote:You can buy an adaptor hose that will allow you to empty a BBQ Gas bottle into the LPG car type filler. From memory they're on ebay for about $50.


I think they normally call them decanters....

This will not empty your BBQ bottle but it will syphon LPG from one cylinder to the other until the pressures balance. Same as if you use a fork lift bottle in this fashion you will only have half of the fork bottle as usable gas unless you keep running out the main cylinder and keep reconnecting the fork bottle.

I run straight gas on my Rangie running a supercharged 253 and 2x 80L tanks. I get fuk all range out of them and in central and north QLD there are not many servos with gas.
Even Cruiser park the closest is an hour away.
So any spair cyclinder LEGAL OR NOT beats the shit out of walking.
I thought maybe a 75kg house hold cyclinder.
Carl.

That's the right attitude... 'Screw safety in the name of wheelin'
If your POS isn't fuel efficient enough to drive down your street with a fuel up then look at tuning it mate. It must be one friggin hot 253 to use that much gas. Just cos it's supercharged doesn't mean it has to use lots of fuel. 2x80l tanks is 150 useable litres. even at 25l/100ks that's 600 k's. They way you're talking it's using 50l/100km's.. That's ridiculous!
Cheers, dan

My car has 160 usable litres gas and offroad in low range i get aprox 320 klms . this is with tb 42 straight gas turbo , Sounds ridiculous huh dan ....... , but its f##ken great fun

Holy sh1t mate does sound like fun can u let me know ur secret on how u fit 160L gas in your car

Is it LWB or a shorty?

also as i take u fitted one under the drivers seat can u let me know what tank size demnsions etc it is?

Thanks

Rick.

Just a quick thought, i was going to put a LPG set up in my VS wagon and they use a tank that goes into where your spare wheel. It holds 60ltrs and is only 200mm deep and about 25 inches in diameter. That would fit nicly were the aux tank goes in a SWB. It might be the expensive way to go, but atleast they could set it up as a dual tank setup.

Ive got a lwb wagon , its got an 85 usable tank behind the rear diff , the same as all gas conversions and Ive put a 75 usable litre tank inside the cab just behind the rear seat in the cargo area . There are plenty of shortys with this set up aswell , talk to hottiemonster from this board his is similar. cheers shane............