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Why do leafs keep sagging drv side.?
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:53 am
by bad mudda
Gday I have a 94 daul cab hilux this is the 2nd set of IFS springs ive had
they keep sagging on driver side only front and back. Last set took 2 years and ended up sagging at least 4'' with a few kinks. And the passenger side was fine still had 5'' lift. Anyway I was willing to grin and bear it after the fun ive had but the new springs have only done 3 decent days work on the trails and are sagging allready
And once again
the passenger side is fine.
Ive got long travel shocks all round worried the back shock hoop is not high enough and may be pivot on shock and twisting spring or bump stop setup not right
Any good advice would be greatly appreciated tried search allready no luck.
THANKS
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:19 am
by chunderlicious
to tell you the truth the only solution is to drive in the centre of the car.....nah either live with it or get a custom front pack made on the front for the extra weight of fuel tank and driver, or move your fuel tank to the other side, or always carry a passanger.
mikes car sags 3 inches prolly when its at its worst, then i get in and we go for a wheel and it settles back to only 1 inch lean for a few days till it goes back..... even bee bee is on a huge lean.
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:23 am
by MissDrew
Its hilux shit for you
Mine used to be real bad for doing this. Since its had the cross over installed and the trac rod has been removed it doesn`t do it any where near as bad. Infact it does it fark all now.
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:44 am
by bad mudda
chunderlicious wrote:to tell you the truth the only solution is to drive in the centre of the car.....nah either live with it or get a custom front pack made on the front for the extra weight of fuel tank and driver, or move your fuel tank to the other side, or always carry a passanger.
mikes car sags 3 inches prolly when its at its worst, then i get in and we go for a wheel and it settles back to only 1 inch lean for a few days till it goes back..... even bee bee is on a huge lean.
yeah the first custom pack had 1 or 2 extra springs in it this custom pack has even amount and i do have someone with me normally and have even tried more abuse to pass side doesnt affect it
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:49 am
by Sic Lux
RUF and use about 3 extra main wraps (longest leave) I think mate runs this and hasn't sagged yet i have the parabloics and they only just started to go a bit now but there are stiff as all sh*t so going RUF when crossover is done
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:55 am
by bad mudda
Guts wrote:Its hilux shit for you
Mine used to be real bad for doing this. Since its had the cross over installed and the trac rod has been removed it doesn`t do it any where near as bad. Infact it does it fark all now.
yeah Guts ive got x over and trac rod has allways been out that was one of my worries maybe axle wrap bending springs ,chassis twised,shock setup if u have time check out member section mighty lux have pics from all angles of setup see if u think some things not right
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:52 pm
by Frankenyota
Hey mate did you come up with a fix for the front springs sagging?
I have the same issue [drivers side ]and are running RUF. Can only guess the spring is bent or sagged from the extra weight.
Was considering fitting an extra leaf to the drivers side, but not sure which leaf to fit?
Will be up grading the spring packs to a 6 leaf combo when the winch goes on, so i might just wait til then.
Matt
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:00 pm
by Sic Lux
Mate runs his with extra main warp's (Long ones) i'll have to get pics i'm going to run the same set up soon on mine MMM pay rise
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:26 pm
by Frankenyota
With an extra main leaf on the drivers side only?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:03 am
by Sic Lux
He used 2 sets of 2in lifted rears to make 1 set i need pic's so you know better Possably have them tonight
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:31 am
by bj on roids
The torque rod, steering box, fuel tank, steering column and driver all add weight to the drivers side.
Also the torque of the engine and the action of the torque rod all contribute to this problem.
Guts mentioned a possible solution with the crossover, other guys move the fuel tank, there is many ways to fix it or swap the leaves from one side to the other!
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:37 pm
by mud guts
I have a theory, as it has been mentioned the drivers side carries more weight, the leaves could become dry increasing friction. And because of the weight it settles there with no positive spring action.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:53 pm
by Frankenyota
Already have crossover so no torque rod.
Looking at the spring today it looks a bit knacked.
Am looking in to fitting a larger tank up back between the chassis rails, to increase range. Only have a 50 litre tank.
Anyone suggest a good fuel tank to use?
Was thinking v6 prado or petrol patrol?
Matt
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:28 pm
by Willy Hilux
The reason the front drivers sags more is because the diff pumpkin is offset too that side causing more touque on that side. There is no way of advoiding it if you want flex. Or you can go parrabolics. Had mine on the daul cab desiel for 5 years and still level but stiff and doesn't flex.
I put a brand new set on MAYBELLINE for the first comp and wrapped them straight away.
You can also try running your bumpstop so that it is touching the diff from word go.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:44 am
by Sic Lux
Yeah have them parrabolics in mine and yeah there
stiff alright won't hbe for to much longer
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:36 pm
by mule75
can be a sign of bent or twisted chassis.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:36 pm
by bad mudda
Hey guys how they hanging.
thanks all the good feedback.
Have done most of the above interesting what chunderlicius said have noticed when i do more road driving with tools mainly on left side she levels out (allmost)perfect.
Thought about all the standard weight on right side thats a sh!tload of weight with bugger all on the other side.
Like b.j and willy lux said about the diff pumpkin and torque pressure being on right.
It all reminds me of a motorbike should i will definetly do some mods moving stuff to other side .
Its what mule said that i did'nt want to hear.
What should i do get a good panalbeater to check ?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:44 pm
by mud guts
I haven’t had mine in 4 wheel for two weeks, and my right sides still drooping.
i’m serious.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:43 pm
by Sic Lux
Unless it's had a big hit it shouldn't be bent may have a little over the years for a larger sort of bend look for paint peeling off in one area in a line top to bottom another thing to check is that it hasn't cracked around the spring hanger steering box area knowen of 3 that have done this and in that three they have done it more than once one we couldn't fiqure out whey id droped so much over 1 trip and you could slightly raise or lower it by turning the steering wheel so looked around that area and there it was
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:56 pm
by DIRTY ROCK STAR
Guts wrote:Its hilux shit for you
Mine used to be real bad for doing this. Since its had the cross over installed and the trac rod has been removed it doesn`t do it any where near as bad. Infact it does it fark all now.
that and you are anorexic
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:12 pm
by Sic Lux
DRS it would help.
here's them pics of spring pack that mate runs made out of 2 sets of 2in lifted rears
8 in right leaf pack this pic from rear
Middle pic taken from front
Near front spring hanger
6 In left pack pic's starting from front to back
I have more but i think that shows it well enough