what to buy.... 80 series, or a 2.8TD GU....

[sniper]

there aint that much difference between an 80 and pootrol drive train. Its on the driver who brakes sh1t. (except pootrols limo, i will bow out on that, toyotas suck. Thats why you get lockers )

[MissDrew]

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Another full house 80 cheep cheep cheep

If you buy a 2.8 or 3.0 GU over an 80 I`ll bitch slap you.

[zagan]

look at car point et el.

They are good for your price which seems to be less than $20,000 if your wanting to buy other stuff within that $20,000s worth.

Pricing is strange, as I've seen 1995 to 2000 4wd with klms around the 200,000 mark or less going for $10,000 to $15,000 and I've seen 1990 old banger 4wds with over 400,000klms going for $20,000 from different dealerships.

So you really need to take a good long look around and go out and see the 4wds you want as the good ones go quick.

[dubs]

I wonder if the couple of people on here saying 80's are weak have ever had one? Or are they just jawing off about what they hear.Theres a reason 2.8 and 3.0 patrols are cheap to buy and 80s expecially the last turbo diesels are still expensive.

[jessie928]

just accept the fact that GU diffs are way way stronger than anything that toyota has spat out.( fullstop)
the patrol is built like a truck. ( fullstop)
the cruiser is just that a cruiser, it is good offroad, and more comfortable in standard form mainly due to the longer and softer springs, but in comparision t oa patrol, they are like a boat.

i wonder why every tom dick and harry wants patrol diffs to install in their hilux's , comp cars and the like?

if you like the shape of the cruiser, go with it, unless you intend to bash it around offroad, then you will break more shit, and have to pay more for it in comparision when you do, coupled with the stupidly inflated price you have to pay for the cruiser compared to the patrol.

i have had and always will have toyota's and nissans, but you have to be realistic and not get blinded by the badge as many here obviously are.

once you have pulled out and reinstalled alot of patrol and cruiser drivetrains and the like only then you will then understand just how well the patrols are built for the kill.
JEs

sling away....

[Mad Cruiser]

Jessie,

Again your so blind !!!! Some of the buggies that compete run landcruiser diffs and don't have any problems

[dirtyGQ]

you have to be kidding right ? there is a mass difference just in virtual size let alone strength but yes i say it does have a lot to do with the driver,i give my patrol hell and only broken a cv in the last 5 years (THE CRUISER DOES HAVE BETTER CV'S). Go the 80 if you want comfort and power i wouldn't touch a 3.0 or 2.8 litre patrol. Whatever you decide you will have fun just get them all thoroughly checked by a good mechanic.

[dirtyGQ]

I wonder if the couple of people on here saying 80's are weak have ever had one? Or are they just jawing off about what they hear.Theres a reason 2.8 and 3.0 patrols are cheap to buy and 80s expecially the last turbo diesels are still expensive.

had plenty to do with them mate,80's are a good car but don't give them a hiding . The 80's are more expensive then a 3.0 and 2.8 litre because as everyone knows they are hand grenades.

[Red Rover]

yet we have had and have quite a few 80's in the club with no real problems. I've worked less on my cruiser than any of my patrols. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I wouldn't own another nissan, I just think they are not the come all end all they are made out to be.

[chimpboy]

I wonder if the couple of people on here saying 80's are weak have ever had one? Or are they just jawing off about what they hear.Theres a reason 2.8 and 3.0 patrols are cheap to buy and 80s expecially the last turbo diesels are still expensive.

Yeah, there is a reason... it is that the turbo diesel 80 series has a fantastic engine in it while the 2.8 and 3.0 patrol engines are crud.

But that doesn't say anything about the relative axle strength. 80 series axles are strong enough for the vehicle as it's normally driven but they aren't as strong as the GU axles.

That isn't saying that Nissans are automatically more reliable than Toyotas or that they are inherently tougher, it's just saying that a massive GU axle is a less breakable item than a less-massive 80-series axle, and that is going to make a difference at some point when you're moving a big heavy vehicle around on rough surfaces. Maybe neither of them will break, but if one of them does, the cruiser axle is going to be the one to break first, all else being equal. This hardly seems worth arguing about to me.

Of course an 80-series axle could still be a better choice for any given buggy, depending on what exactly it is you want from the axle.

[jessie928]

i as going to look for a pic of someone flogging a dead horse, but i could not be bothered with it.

[RUFF]

just accept the fact that GU diffs are way way stronger than anything that toyota has spat out.( fullstop)
the patrol is built like a truck. ( fullstop)
the cruiser is just that a cruiser, it is good offroad, and more comfortable in standard form mainly due to the longer and softer springs, but in comparision t oa patrol, they are like a boat.

i wonder why every tom dick and harry wants patrol diffs to install in their hilux's , comp cars and the like?

if you like the shape of the cruiser, go with it, unless you intend to bash it around offroad, then you will break more shit, and have to pay more for it in comparision when you do, coupled with the stupidly inflated price you have to pay for the cruiser compared to the patrol.

i have had and always will have toyota's and nissans, but you have to be realistic and not get blinded by the badge as many here obviously are.

once you have pulled out and reinstalled alot of patrol and cruiser drivetrains and the like only then you will then understand just how well the patrols are built for the kill.
JEs

sling away....

You realy should get some idea before you continue posting the crap you do. The more you post this GU Diffs verse Cruiser Diffs the more stupid you look.

Anyone who has any real idea on building a strong comp rig would not even concider using GU diffs as there are absolutly no upgrades for them when the do break which "IS COMMON" The GU Cv's are only just stronger than a Hilux CV due to the size of the stub shaft. The only reason people use GQ diffs under hilux's is because they are cheap and wide and in stock form are stronger than a hilux diff. The only reason guys with GQs upgrade to GU diffs is because they are a bolt in option. Its a proven fact that rockcrawling is the hardest style of comp on diffs and axle components and there are very few that run GQ/GU diffs. The Majority are either on Hilux(light weight minimul HP),60 series Cruiser and then D60 or 9"Hybrid's.


But getting back to the question at hand.

Luxy for what you want to use it for either is going to do the job just great. You just need to make a decision on which one has the most things that suit your needs.

Me personaly i would buy the 80 over the 2.8 patrol. Mainly for the power and an engine that will do 500,000ks before you need to put a spanner to it. The gearboxs suffer from some bearing problems if not looked after but this is a cheap fix compared to replacing the nissan 2.8 when it either shits its self or you get sick of having to rev its tits off to go anywhere and decide you want to do an engine conversion.

[ORSM45]

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Another full house 80 cheep cheep cheep

If you buy a 2.8 or 3.0 GU over an 80 I`ll bitch slap you.

i have an 80 for sale too. and i dont want much for it coz i want it gone.

like guts said. put it on gas if youre worried about running costs. the government goes ya halves. 4.5Ls go pretty good.

if you bought mine you'd have $10,000 left to spend on it.

[jessie928]

just accept the fact that GU diffs are way way stronger than anything that toyota has spat out.( fullstop)
the patrol is built like a truck. ( fullstop)
the cruiser is just that a cruiser, it is good offroad, and more comfortable in standard form mainly due to the longer and softer springs, but in comparision t oa patrol, they are like a boat.

i wonder why every tom dick and harry wants patrol diffs to install in their hilux's , comp cars and the like?

if you like the shape of the cruiser, go with it, unless you intend to bash it around offroad, then you will break more shit, and have to pay more for it in comparision when you do, coupled with the stupidly inflated price you have to pay for the cruiser compared to the patrol.

i have had and always will have toyota's and nissans, but you have to be realistic and not get blinded by the badge as many here obviously are.

once you have pulled out and reinstalled alot of patrol and cruiser drivetrains and the like only then you will then understand just how well the patrols are built for the kill.
JEs

sling away....

You realy should get some idea before you continue posting the crap you do. The more you post this GU Diffs verse Cruiser Diffs the more stupid you look.

Anyone who has any real idea on building a strong comp rig would not even concider using GU diffs as there are absolutly no upgrades for them when the do break which "IS COMMON" The GU Cv's are only just stronger than a Hilux CV due to the size of the stub shaft. The only reason people use GQ diffs under hilux's is because they are cheap and wide and in stock form are stronger than a hilux diff. The only reason guys with GQs upgrade to GU diffs is because they are a bolt in option. Its a proven fact that rockcrawling is the hardest style of comp on diffs and axle components and there are very few that run GQ/GU diffs. The Majority are either on Hilux(light weight minimul HP),60 series Cruiser and then D60 or 9"Hybrid's.


But getting back to the question at hand.

Luxy for what you want to use it for either is going to do the job just great. You just need to make a decision on which one has the most things that suit your needs.

Me personaly i would buy the 80 over the 2.8 patrol. Mainly for the power and an engine that will do 500,000ks before you need to put a spanner to it. The gearboxs suffer from some bearing problems if not looked after but this is a cheap fix compared to replacing the nissan 2.8 when it either shits its self or you get sick of having to rev its tits off to go anywhere and decide you want to do an engine conversion.

ruff, dont get personal mate, you got a bee up your bonnet or what?
so steady on.

as a side note, you can fit longfields onto GQ or Gu axles. how about that eh... bit or new information for you.

[dirtyGQ]

ok this is always gonna be the nissan vs toyota argument buy the car you feel most comfortable with , people in toyota's love their rig and nissan owners love their rig .Whatever you get you will have fun and it'll have something wrong with it at some stage thats cars for you.

[known 2]

buy what u think looks better in the end, if it was out of the 4.2td pattroll this would be more of a argument but for general touring and reliability I would choose the cruiser, the gu only realy proves and advantage if ur floging it's head of at a 4wd park.

[chimpboy]

ok this is always gonna be the nissan vs toyota argument buy the car you feel most comfortable with , people in toyota's love their rig and nissan owners love their rig .Whatever you get you will have fun and it'll have something wrong with it at some stage thats cars for you.

I agree except that the question itself seems strange.

Big-engined 80 series vs small-engined GU? It would make more sense to weigh in the GU with the serious motor.

[ORSM45]

ok this is always gonna be the nissan vs toyota argument buy the car you feel most comfortable with , people in toyota's love their rig and nissan owners love their rig .Whatever you get you will have fun and it'll have something wrong with it at some stage thats cars for you.

I agree except that the question itself seems strange.

Big-engined 80 series vs small-engined GU? It would make more sense to weigh in the GU with the serious motor.

I honestly couldnt care what type of car people drive, i just wanna sell mine

It all comes down to the coin tho.

You could get technical and say its old cruiser vs newer patrol. The newer car cant have all the options for the same price.

MaccA

[dirtyGQ]

mate you should be able to get a 1992 at the earliest 80 series for 6-8 k and have plenty left for mods and rectification work.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

mate you should be able to get a 1992 at the earliest 80 series for 6-8 k and have plenty left for mods and rectification work.

This is what i would suggest.(or a cheap 100 series)
only problem is for that amount your talking a DX. (or petrol)
these are great for plodding along and cheap to run. but towing with one isnt much fun.
but for 7 grand im stoked. spent a little since fixing stuff but yeah im a fan.

[dirtyGQ]

mate you should be able to get a 1992 at the earliest 80 series for 6-8 k and have plenty left for mods and rectification work.

This is what i would suggest.(or a cheap 100 series)
only problem is for that amount your talking a DX. (or petrol)
these are great for plodding along and cheap to run. but towing with one isnt much fun.
but for 7 grand im stoked. spent a little since fixing stuff but yeah im a fan.

DX 80 series ?

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Also known as a pov pack

[dirtyGQ]

poverty packs are fine i have however seen a few 80 series gxl's under 8 k in good condition .

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

They would be petrol ones for under 8k wouldnt they?

if they are turbo diesels dont hesistate to point them out to me.

[zagan]

They would be petrol ones for under 8k wouldnt they?

if they are turbo diesels dont hesistate to point them out to me.

depends you need to look around a wrecker down the road from me sells patrols and hulix 1991 to 1998 for the $3,000 to $5,000 mark, all of them have been diesel some with the turbo, between 200,000 and 350,000klms.

I havn't seen them up close but they look in good nick while driving by them, I was going to buy from them but no one would give me a loan so didn't bother looking.

I spent 3-6 months looking for a 4wd that had low klms and was cheap for want I wanted from a dealership/car yard.

keep looking every where good deals are around.

[dirtyGQ]

all the ones i've seen for that much have been petrol,otherwise i would have grabbed em !!!

[itchyvet]

Wow, bit apprehensive about putting my two bobs worth in here, might get flamed

OK, have now owned and operated a ST TD Intercooled Y 61 2.8 litre Patrol 1998 vintage.
Had 130,000 on the clock and cost us around 25 plus.
The thing that got me with this truck, was the incredible ride it gave.
I've ridden in heaps of 4 WD's as a part of my job, but never had I received a ride as this thing gave considering it was a 4WD.
Our prevoius wheels was a VT Commodore and the ride from the Trol was comparable.
Also, for a 4WD it was very quiet.
We soon found out though, as everybody has already pointed out, the power from a diesel engine is somewhat different from a petrol and does require some adjustment of driving practices.
It bothered me some, that there was a lag low down before the turbo caught up with things, though our research advised us to ditch the factory exahust and replace with a straight thru 2 3/4 inch which certainly did improve things considerbly.
It allowed the engine to rev much easier and powe seemed to come on much earlier with those quicker revs.
Later on when the Federal Govt came out with the LPG gas rebate scheme, together with our own STATE rebate scheme, we had LPG FUMIGATION fitted.
Cost us only $900 after rebates, and let me tell you, I'm quiet happy to place my piddly 2.8 alongside any 4.2 Nissan or Yota and demonstrate how these smaller motors can really go if given the chance.
Recently went on a trip with the camper trailer behind and found going up the ranges where at other times, I'd be in third gear and even 2nd at times, the bloody thing went up there at 85-90 K's in fourth gear all the flamin way, AND even passed a 4.2 litre Yota which was havin a hard time of it.
On a few outings with friends, one who has a Mazda dual Cab 2.8 litre and another with a Yota 4.2 litre both complaining I was going too hard up the hills and leaving them too far behind.
For the money we've paid for our GU 2.8 TD intercooled I don't think we can complain too hard, she's the duck's nuts.

[weeman]

Thought i'd make a comment on this. I'm nissan person i have 4.2 ST GU so i like both vehicles.

However I reckon the 80 series is a good buy only if you find a late model 4.2 Diesel (the multivalve would be ideal) but saying that try to look with one as little kms as possible they are bit nicer inside than a GU pov pack as I wouldnt choose a 3L or the 2.8 but if you get a cheap enough 2.8 you could do a motor swap down the track......

However I know people have spent alot of money on there 80's i.e. if you want to get them moving i.e. power or gearbox are more expensive than most nissan parts.

I know some guys are commenting that the gu gear isnt used in the buggy's and they believe the toyota stuff is stronger I tend to disagree on this as the buggys wouldnt way anywhere near the weight of what a full sized cab and chassis and that will put alot less strain on the drive train. I know guys who have winch challenge trucks then were in 80 series gear or 75 series stuff all go to a GU front end they are stronger and they also change there gear boxes as well.

i'm yet to see a succesfull comp truck with toyota running gear.