.Though i cant garantee ride quality, as they are designed for a heavier vehicle, so valving is a bit off.
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shocks 4 2" lift
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been watching this one with intrest. sooooo went out today and bit the bullet.
Orignal shocks or at least the ones that wer in it
Full open 470mm
full closed 290mm
Gabriel 81147
Full open 515mm
full closed 315mm
so these should do but it will depend on your lift and flex.
I have 110mm between my bumpstop and the chassis. Shock is currently sitting at 430mm extn. So if it closes 110mm then it will be at 320mm which leaves 5mm to spare before bottoming out. Of course all this is in a perfect world.
Will see how it works.
Orignal shocks or at least the ones that wer in it
Full open 470mm
full closed 290mm
Gabriel 81147
Full open 515mm
full closed 315mm
so these should do but it will depend on your lift and flex.
I have 110mm between my bumpstop and the chassis. Shock is currently sitting at 430mm extn. So if it closes 110mm then it will be at 320mm which leaves 5mm to spare before bottoming out. Of course all this is in a perfect world.
Will see how it works.
flog the ring out of it
10mm bumpstop extension is always better than 50.8 mm
Give me 1.5 weeks and I to will have the Hiace shocks on my 2 inch lift. Mind you I do also have a 2 inch (1 inch taller) shackles
Will flex him up and post results (pictorial) if I remember
Ado
Give me 1.5 weeks and I to will have the Hiace shocks on my 2 inch lift. Mind you I do also have a 2 inch (1 inch taller) shackles
Will flex him up and post results (pictorial) if I remember
Ado
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Stumped runs VS shocks in the front, and hi-ace rear. I do have some flex shots of his rig, but they are lost in the machine ATM. Hopefully he gets of his arse and responds here.
Layto....
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Ado,ado250 wrote:10mm bumpstop extension is always better than 50.8 mm
Give me 1.5 weeks and I to will have the Hiace shocks on my 2 inch lift. Mind you I do also have a 2 inch (1 inch taller) shackles
Will flex him up and post results (pictorial) if I remember
Ado
How did you go with these shocks?
Lay80n,
Did you find the pics?
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sierrajim wrote:Ado,ado250 wrote:10mm bumpstop extension is always better than 50.8 mm
Give me 1.5 weeks and I to will have the Hiace shocks on my 2 inch lift. Mind you I do also have a 2 inch (1 inch taller) shackles
Will flex him up and post results (pictorial) if I remember
Ado
How did you go with these shocks?
Lay80n,
Did you find the pics?
Yep, just gotta get them hosted and will post them. Had to sort through some old files that were not on my machine.
Layto....
[quote="v840"]Just between me and you, I actually really dig the Megatwon, but if anyone asks, I'm going to shitcan it as much as possible! :D[/quote]
Currently running #69609 in the front.
#81318 in the back.
Inboarded rear upper mount, bumpstop extension of around 40mm in the front on standard mounts. Probably should run 50mm in the front to be safer. I think I'm very close to bottoming the shock on full uptravel.
If anyone wants further info I have a catalogue here at home, and used to speak to the Gabriel importer regularly. Will check on the part numbers that their tech department once recommended I use for a two inch lift on standard mounts. They were shorter but about the max lengths possible for use on standard mounts.
As to be expected they are very particular on fitments for warranty purposes.
Cheers,
#81318 in the back.
Inboarded rear upper mount, bumpstop extension of around 40mm in the front on standard mounts. Probably should run 50mm in the front to be safer. I think I'm very close to bottoming the shock on full uptravel.
If anyone wants further info I have a catalogue here at home, and used to speak to the Gabriel importer regularly. Will check on the part numbers that their tech department once recommended I use for a two inch lift on standard mounts. They were shorter but about the max lengths possible for use on standard mounts.
As to be expected they are very particular on fitments for warranty purposes.
Cheers,
-Mal
Zook 1, 2, 3 gone
Patrol - Wheels, engine and stuff
Zook 1, 2, 3 gone
Patrol - Wheels, engine and stuff
What model Hiace?? they don't all run the same.
Fitted Commo pair to the front last night and work heaps better the the Ranchos that were in there.
Thanx for the info guys!!!!!
Fitted Commo pair to the front last night and work heaps better the the Ranchos that were in there.
Thanx for the info guys!!!!!
09 Cruiser Tray ARB Bull Bar/side bars, dual batts, 3" Superiour lift, MTZs, other stuff. More to come!!!
90 Sierra Soft top, 3" body 2" spring lift, 31" Claws, 5.14 Calmini, more to do.
90 Sierra Soft top, 3" body 2" spring lift, 31" Claws, 5.14 Calmini, more to do.
Just out of curiosity - i bought two suspension sets (branded Formula Suspension) through Bursons, supposed to be a 2" lift over std. The spings have i think four leafs, with an extra load leaf on the rears. We fitted one set to a '86 JX N/T, and they're quite tall, and they factory shocks were at LEAST 2" too short to even reach the mounting pins.
I've just fitted the second set to my '91 W/T, and have the same problem - the factory shocks are way too short to reach the mounts. I actually had my brother hang off the corner of the car, and we compressed it enough to slip them on. Needless to say, it handled like a skateboard, so we left them out.
So did i get some really lifted springs, or is this a common thing?
Cheers again - Coxy
I've just fitted the second set to my '91 W/T, and have the same problem - the factory shocks are way too short to reach the mounts. I actually had my brother hang off the corner of the car, and we compressed it enough to slip them on. Needless to say, it handled like a skateboard, so we left them out.
So did i get some really lifted springs, or is this a common thing?
Cheers again - Coxy
I thought the hole idear of using the longer shocks was to get more travel. extending the bump stops defeats this. You have to move a mounting point on one end of the shock.
The only benefit of using longer shocks/extended bump stops is you do get more ground clearance. which is fine if that's your only goal.
coxy' When I fitted my raised springs I had the same problem as you. That's why you should fit matched springs and shocks. The springs will settle down with time. If you got heavy duty, than your expected to be carrying extra weight in the zook. Mine worked better after I fitted the winch which the springs where designed for.
The only benefit of using longer shocks/extended bump stops is you do get more ground clearance. which is fine if that's your only goal.
coxy' When I fitted my raised springs I had the same problem as you. That's why you should fit matched springs and shocks. The springs will settle down with time. If you got heavy duty, than your expected to be carrying extra weight in the zook. Mine worked better after I fitted the winch which the springs where designed for.
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How much was this kit?coxy321 wrote:Just out of curiosity - i bought two suspension sets (branded Formula Suspension) through Bursons, supposed to be a 2" lift over std. The spings have i think four leafs, with an extra load leaf on the rears. We fitted one set to a '86 JX N/T, and they're quite tall, and they factory shocks were at LEAST 2" too short to even reach the mounting pins.
I've just fitted the second set to my '91 W/T, and have the same problem - the factory shocks are way too short to reach the mounts. I actually had my brother hang off the corner of the car, and we compressed it enough to slip them on. Needless to say, it handled like a skateboard, so we left them out.
So did i get some really lifted springs, or is this a common thing?
Cheers again - Coxy
I need a new set! How do they flex/
CHEERS
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not in the front... vitara use struts in the front as opposed to shocks, and have a look in the vitara bible as to rears but commodore something or anothers workCharged_ZooK wrote:hi all does this combo work in a 90 SWB vitara...??????
i have 2" raised springs not installed until have shocks sorted!!
thanks all
note: a sierra in the rear has eye-eye and eye-pin in front. a vitara has struts in the front and eye to pin in the rear...
(not sure what the proper name for pin is though)
Chris
From memory, it was about $650-$700 for the springs, and $160 for a nolathane bush kit. Haven't had a real chance to get out and test it, as we haven't had the correct shocks to drive it anywhere. I actually removed the extra-load spring off the rear leaves - as it was HUGE, and obviously wont help with ride/travel. I'll see if i can post a pic up.
Zute: The idea of using longer shocks is to accommodate for extra suspension travel (being useable either on full suspension compression or full suspension extension), and work as a normal shock absorber would.
For example: If i was to refit the stock shockers back into my car (with lifted susp.), and lower the top shock mount to suit the lift (maybe 2-3 inches lower), all that this would acheive would be to allow (maybe) the spring to droop to its full extension. However, when i go to compress the suspension, you will find that the process will actually be stopped because the shocker will become fully compressed (not a good thing), and thus stop that side of the diff from compressing up any further. So in any circumstance, the factory shock wouldn't help at all. Bump stops are actually used to stop the suspension from compressing up too far and damaging the shockers (from bottoming them out), and also to stop big tyres chewing into bodywork.
In the perfect world, a shock absorber would be 10cm fully compressed, and then maybe 100cm fully extended - but that is not physically possible (well, for now it isnt).
I'm not too sure how longer shocks or extended bump stops can give you more ground clearance though.
Zute: The idea of using longer shocks is to accommodate for extra suspension travel (being useable either on full suspension compression or full suspension extension), and work as a normal shock absorber would.
For example: If i was to refit the stock shockers back into my car (with lifted susp.), and lower the top shock mount to suit the lift (maybe 2-3 inches lower), all that this would acheive would be to allow (maybe) the spring to droop to its full extension. However, when i go to compress the suspension, you will find that the process will actually be stopped because the shocker will become fully compressed (not a good thing), and thus stop that side of the diff from compressing up any further. So in any circumstance, the factory shock wouldn't help at all. Bump stops are actually used to stop the suspension from compressing up too far and damaging the shockers (from bottoming them out), and also to stop big tyres chewing into bodywork.
In the perfect world, a shock absorber would be 10cm fully compressed, and then maybe 100cm fully extended - but that is not physically possible (well, for now it isnt).
I'm not too sure how longer shocks or extended bump stops can give you more ground clearance though.
Yeah, either way its a cheap set of springs, whether you just throw them in or if you pull them to bits. eBay have kits for $600 plus postage, so its comparable. I also forgot to mention that the shocks that came with the kit were even shorter than the standard ones!!!
Also, the springs have four leafs on the front, and five on the back (5th one being the extra load spring). No doubt i'll be taking it down to three after this weekend. I'll need something that'll work with an SOA!!
Also, the springs have four leafs on the front, and five on the back (5th one being the extra load spring). No doubt i'll be taking it down to three after this weekend. I'll need something that'll work with an SOA!!
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I put the vs rears in the front of mine and early model hilux in the rears, i ramped it without shockers to measure distance for droop and compression. And neeeded to put a 1 inch bumpstop extension on, front and rear. Although i havent done the rear, i will be doing it very soon whilst the car is up on the jack stands by welding some inch square tube to the bumpstop plate.
And when i put those front shocks on i put extended brake lines on.
these shocks you should be able to get for under $30 each, if not your getting ripped off.
Chop
And when i put those front shocks on i put extended brake lines on.
these shocks you should be able to get for under $30 each, if not your getting ripped off.
Chop
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CHOPS1: A perfect example of extended bumpstop use for ZUTE.
I ended up sending my old man up to shepparton to get those shocks for me (Gabriel 81318 for rear & 81340 for the front), and he got them for $36ea i think. I'll be heading out to the olds' property today to test the shocks and springs for flex/ride.
Coxy
I ended up sending my old man up to shepparton to get those shocks for me (Gabriel 81318 for rear & 81340 for the front), and he got them for $36ea i think. I'll be heading out to the olds' property today to test the shocks and springs for flex/ride.
Coxy
Another thing to mention about the bumpstops is that when the side that is compressed hits the bumstop it can help the other side of the axle to push or droop down to make contact in a hole or where it is leaving the ground. it only helps a little from what i can see, it may help better on a coil sprung car?
chop
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coxy, you don't understand. reread what I wrote. To get more travel you HAVE to relocate at lest one shock mount per shock. Other wise what you gain in droop(down travel/extension), you loose in compression(bump/up travel). You add the bump stop extension to stop your shock from destroying it's self under full compression.
So if you raise the top shock mounting point, you get all the extra travel, with out having to add to the bump stop.
Yes I know this is a bigger job, but that's the only way to do it.
And I know how fulcrums work.
One other thing. Aftermarket shocks can give you more travel than standard shocks, because manufactures may only fit shocks that they deem necessary. They may even fit shorter shocks to stop the shackles from flipping. They don't always have the time and money to R&D there product fully. Unlike us, who are constantly R&D ing our zooks.
So if you raise the top shock mounting point, you get all the extra travel, with out having to add to the bump stop.
Yes I know this is a bigger job, but that's the only way to do it.
And I know how fulcrums work.
One other thing. Aftermarket shocks can give you more travel than standard shocks, because manufactures may only fit shocks that they deem necessary. They may even fit shorter shocks to stop the shackles from flipping. They don't always have the time and money to R&D there product fully. Unlike us, who are constantly R&D ing our zooks.
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Very true Zuke. Your idea is basically to acheive the same goal as what i wrote - just a different way to go about it i think., except (like you said), for the increase in up travel, you would directly lose in down travel. But i'm still not 100% convinced, as the stock shocks (as an eg.) have a completely different compresion and extension length than these aftermarket ones we've been talking about. And to be honest, i haven't seen a great deal of people relocating shock mounts (aside from aftermarket mount kits) to gain a little extra up travel.
Just my 2c again, Cheers!
Just my 2c again, Cheers!
Okay. Here's my first crack at these pics.
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... deFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... arFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... deFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
As you can see, the front is ok, but the back is as tight as a fish's @rse.
Coxy
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... deFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... arFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
[img][img]http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212 ... deFlex.jpg[/img][/img]
As you can see, the front is ok, but the back is as tight as a fish's @rse.
Coxy
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coxy321 wrote:Anyone know how to post pics up on here?? Or does it have to be hosted to get posted? I've just got one or two photos of this new suspension flexing (actually, the rear ISNT flexing).
Cheers
Host external. Plenty of posts about it.
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Taff,,, finally someone posting what we all needed to know and with proof. everyone keeps saying hilux and hiace and thats about it.. thanks for much needed input and pics to convince me to copy this.
Hey Taff,does the shocks bolt straight in or is there some mods that need to be done? i just want to have everything prepared so i can do it all at once and not have to f**k round too much when i pull it apart.
So i need above mentioned shocks and springs,bushes all round and what else? do i need new U bolts?
Anything else you can think of?
cheers mate
Hey Taff,does the shocks bolt straight in or is there some mods that need to be done? i just want to have everything prepared so i can do it all at once and not have to f**k round too much when i pull it apart.
So i need above mentioned shocks and springs,bushes all round and what else? do i need new U bolts?
Anything else you can think of?
cheers mate
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