Engineering?????

[vSAHARAx]

Ok i want 35's for the 60, but i want it to be legal! so a couple of qns

1. Where do i go in brisbane for an engineer to inspect it?
2. What modifications do i have to do for it to pass?
3. roughly how much will it cost?

Any general info also would be greatly appreciated

Cheers Troy

[Boltaction Billy]

Hate to be the one to let ya down in QLD an engineer's plate/approval dont mean sh1t to the dot ......sorry

[vSAHARAx]

dont say that!!!!!

ive just about had the sh!ts, with all this bs about what i can and cant do to my car!!!

Im this close to selling the bloody thing and buying a not so modified sports car!!!!!!! i wanna use it as a 4wd and if 32's are the only legal option ive got then its useless im sick of dragging shackels and F###### shockies because of it!

im sick of it looking like a skate board!

Doing stuff by the book blows!!!!!

[MART]

Mate I payed $800 for my zuk. This included
1. engine
2. transmission and driveline
3. front suspension and axles
4. rear suspension and axles
5. braking system.
6. steering system
7.wheels and tyres.
8. body chassis.
9. seating

This all affects adr no,s 1,3,4c,5b,6,7,11,20,23b,24a,28a,35,36

I am in sydney so i can,t help you with that,hope the rest helps,also adr 18 relates to speedo and calabration. I had to fit a ratio box which cost $750,Cheers paul.

[tuf045]

Mate I payed $800 for my zuk. This included
1. engine
2. transmission and driveline
3. front suspension and axles
4. rear suspension and axles
5. braking system.
6. steering system
7.wheels and tyres.
8. body chassis.
9. seating

This all affects adr no,s 1,3,4c,5b,6,7,11,20,23b,24a,28a,35,36

I am in sydney so i can,t help you with that,hope the rest helps,also adr 18 relates to speedo and calabration. I had to fit a ratio box which cost $750,Cheers paul.

who did yours?

[MART]

Consulmotive PTY LTD.
Unit 15/17-37 lorraine st.
Peakhurst NSW 2210.
PH 02 9153 0011.
Fax 02 9153 0592.
John Varetimidis.
Cheers Paul.

[Top Cat]

So I guess what a queenslander needs to do is own a NSW registerred vehicle.

[jugger]

ill get a number and post it tomorrow . my bosses best mate dose all sorts of blue plateing , i think hes called tic mechanical but ill check and get his number . but wont make promisies that hell ennginner 35s . im sure some one on outers tryed and they said no. think it was G.Lommis.

[Boltaction Billy]

dont say that!!!!!

ive just about had the sh!ts, with all this bs about what i can and cant do to my car!!!

Im this close to selling the bloody thing and buying a not so modified sports car!!!!!!! i wanna use it as a 4wd and if 32's are the only legal option ive got then its useless im sick of dragging shackels and F###### shockies because of it!

im sick of it looking like a skate board!

Doing stuff by the book blows!!!!!

Hay its not all bad I have been driving mine around like this fa 6 months with 35's (and even 38's when I go play near home) as long as it looks all balanced out they don't look that big and I got a 7'' lift.
I got mates that have 4'' lift, 2'' body and run 35's fa years no probs at all just keep ya standard springs tires and sh1t like that just in case, then swap them out for inspection (If ya get caught that is )

[bogged]

im sick of it looking like a skate board!

then remove the body lift. Quite simple when you look at it. Why do you need 5inch lift to go 32's?

[HotFourOk]

Hay its not all bad I have been driving mine around like this fa 6 months with 35's (and even 38's when I go play near home) as long as it looks all balanced out they don't look that big and I got a 7'' lift.
I got mates that have 4'' lift, 2'' body and run 35's fa years no probs at all just keep ya standard springs tires and sh1t like that just in case, then swap them out for inspection (If ya get caught that is )

If you have an accident it is a different story though

[buddha]

I met a brother of a friend last week at oz rock , he lives in qld but has his 80 series registered in cooma. Dont know how big the lift is on it, must be at least 6 inches but runs 39s as a daily tyre, all engineered and told me he has had no problems due to the nsw numberplates.

[Boltaction Billy]

Hay its not all bad I have been driving mine around like this fa 6 months with 35's (and even 38's when I go play near home) as long as it looks all balanced out they don't look that big and I got a 7'' lift.
I got mates that have 4'' lift, 2'' body and run 35's fa years no probs at all just keep ya standard springs tires and sh1t like that just in case, then swap them out for inspection (If ya get caught that is )

If you have an accident it is a different story though

I am fully insured withe DGA and they know all about the mods. Only i might be in the Shit if i kill some one But if its blue plated i have the argument that an enginear says it was safe. (just dont drive like a NOOB)

[Loanrangie]

dont say that!!!!!

ive just about had the sh!ts, with all this bs about what i can and cant do to my car!!!

Im this close to selling the bloody thing and buying a not so modified sports car!!!!!!! i wanna use it as a 4wd and if 32's are the only legal option ive got then its useless im sick of dragging shackels and F###### shockies because of it!

im sick of it looking like a skate board!

Doing stuff by the book blows!!!!!

Move into the 20th century and buy something with coils under it

[ISUZUROVER]

Ok i want 35's for the 60, but i want it to be legal! so a couple of qns

1. Where do i go in brisbane for an engineer to inspect it?
2. What modifications do i have to do for it to pass?
3. roughly how much will it cost?

Any general info also would be greatly appreciated

Cheers Troy

Until the National Code of Practice comes in (and IF), 35" wheels cannot be approved on your 60 in QLD. 33's are just legal though under the current regs.

Everyone you see on bigger wheels is just running the risk they won't get caught (and most times it pays off).

There is nothing to stop you having a set of offroad wheels though.

Btw - your 2" body lift needs to be approved, and your 3" spring lift is probably illegal (but probably unlikely to be picked up if shackles are stock length).

[Turbz]

Everyone says something different.
So i will say this.

If you want to get out alive, hop inside my mouth....

Team ramrod... MEOW !@

Go home ball, you too good for your home ball ?!

Very very sneaky sir.. I believe you are underestimating my sneakiness sir !

Turbz...

[DamTriton]

Everyone says something different.
So i will say this.

If you want to get out alive, hop inside my mouth....

Team ramrod... MEOW !@

Go home ball, you too good for your home ball ?!

Very very sneaky sir.. I believe you are underestimating my sneakiness sir !

Turbz...

yeah......right............................

This sh!t is tech, how????????

[lay80n]

Hay its not all bad I have been driving mine around like this fa 6 months with 35's (and even 38's when I go play near home) as long as it looks all balanced out they don't look that big and I got a 7'' lift.
I got mates that have 4'' lift, 2'' body and run 35's fa years no probs at all just keep ya standard springs tires and sh1t like that just in case, then swap them out for inspection (If ya get caught that is )

If you have an accident it is a different story though

I am fully insured withe DGA and they know all about the mods. Only i might be in the Shit if i kill some one But if its blue plated i have the argument that an enginear says it was safe. (just dont drive like a NOOB)

Not insured if car is not road legal. Are you 38's road legal - NO, is it too high, if so then insurance is null and void. Insurance wont cover a non-roadworthy car, and if you have an accident you can get done by the cops in a non-roadworthy car, engineered or not.

Layto....

[vSAHARAx]

well ive decided im goin 33's

[Boltaction Billy]

Hay its not all bad I have been driving mine around like this fa 6 months with 35's (and even 38's when I go play near home) as long as it looks all balanced out they don't look that big and I got a 7'' lift.
I got mates that have 4'' lift, 2'' body and run 35's fa years no probs at all just keep ya standard springs tires and sh1t like that just in case, then swap them out for inspection (If ya get caught that is )

If you have an accident it is a different story though

I am fully insured withe DGA and they know all about the mods. Only i might be in the Shit if i kill some one But if its blue plated i have the argument that an enginear says it was safe. (just dont drive like a NOOB)

Not insured if car is not road legal. Are you 38's road legal - NO, is it too high, if so then insurance is null and void. Insurance wont cover a non-roadworthy car, and if you have an accident you can get done by the cops in a non-roadworthy car, engineered or not.

Layto....

Goes to show you dont know crap mate have it all here on paper infront of me.
Do you ever get use to being wrong??????????

[ISUZUROVER]

Goes to show you dont know crap mate have it all here on paper infront of me.
Do you ever get use to being wrong??????????

There is a clause "vehicle must be maintained in roadworthy condition at all times"

If they want to avoid paying a claim they can do it on that basis.

[-Scott-]

Goes to show you dont know crap mate have it all here on paper infront of me.
Do you ever get use to being wrong??????????

There is a clause "vehicle must be maintained in roadworthy condition at all times"

If they want to avoid paying a claim they can do it on that basis.

No, they can't. They can't deny paying a claim for a blown light globe. Before denying a claim on the grounds of a defect the insurance company needs to be able to prove, on balance of probabilities, that the accident could have been avoided had the defect NOT been present.

As an example - an uninsured vehicle runs into your 35" shod 4by while you're stationary at traffic lights. The 35" tyres did NOT contribute to the accident, so your claim cannot be denied.

Alternatively, you drive off Stockton beach in your fully engineered, 31" shod Hilux and head down the highway. Vehicle cuts you off, you swerve and roll - oops, perhaps 12psi on the highway is not such a good idea! Your under-inflated tyres probably caused the accident, and made your vehicle unroadworthy - engineered or not. Congratulations, you're not covered.

As explained to me by a manager in a very popular 4wd insurance company.

Scott

[ISUZUROVER]

No, they can't. They can't deny paying a claim for a blown light globe. Before denying a claim on the grounds of a defect the insurance company needs to be able to prove, on balance of probabilities, that the accident could have been avoided had the defect NOT been present.

As an example - an uninsured vehicle runs into your 35" shod 4by while you're stationary at traffic lights. The 35" tyres did NOT contribute to the accident, so your claim cannot be denied.

Alternatively, you drive off Stockton beach in your fully engineered, 31" shod Hilux and head down the highway. Vehicle cuts you off, you swerve and roll - oops, perhaps 12psi on the highway is not such a good idea! Your under-inflated tyres probably caused the accident, and made your vehicle unroadworthy - engineered or not. Congratulations, you're not covered.

As explained to me by a manager in a very popular 4wd insurance company.

Scott

The CAN deny the claim if any part of the vehicle was unroadworthy and that contributed to the accident in any way.

e.g.
You swerve to avoid hitting something and roll your vehicle - your illegal 5" lift makes the vehicle unroadworthy (which you were aware of), and they can argue the lift contributed to the roll.

You don't stop quickly enough and run into the back of another car - insurance can claim it was because of your illegal oversized tyres (again which make the vehicle unroadworthy).

If there is some way they can get out of paying they will - e.g. any way they can say an unroadworthy aspect of the vehicle contributed to the accident. The only way out of these claims is if you couldn't possibly have known the item was unsafe or unroadworthy - but you can't argue that with tyres and suspension lifts...

[ratrangie]

Consul auto eng
I had him look at my rig over 12 months and he kept changing the goal post .
1 week it would be ok the next it would change .Example flairs made of rubber were ok then i had to change them . Bull bar custom made did not meet adr (fair enough) .
Final inspection no air box in car (there was never one from the start )
Need one , every time the $$$$$$$ tick over .

[MART]

Shouldn't have done half the job.

[ratrangie]

Normally when one looks at a car they say whats needed and then you do it !!!!!!!!!
Then you rebook and they say it has or not been done to there standards ,Not ad more to the list..
Buy the way it was finished but a lot of time could have been saved on both sides ...
Regards Stu....

[MART]

Yer I know john can pedantic but if it was fitted to the car as original equipment,it should be there,when I went he said fix this and that,so I did, and then I went back a month later,he said fix a couple more things,so I did,I agree with what you said but in the end you just fix it so you can drive it. I went back 4 times that meant i had to hire a trailer 4 times,so it really cost me $1375 to get my engineers certificate,in the end alls well, I cant complain,he is only doing his job and in the end the vehicle turns out better,Cheers Paul.

[ratrangie]

Well we both agree ! only i live 4 hrs away and would not go through him again .
Regards Stu

[MART]

Its gettin hard to get 4wds engineered as the engineer has to pay extra each year to certify 4wds and many could not be bothered,so for a little pain,I would use john again,as he has done two zuks for me Cheers paul.

[-Scott-]

The CAN deny the claim if any part of the vehicle was unroadworthy and that contributed to the accident.

Yes.

The "in any way" bit is where the arguments start. The insurance company may deny the claim - no argument. If you've got the cajones to take them to court, the court looks at whether the accident could have been avoided if the defect wasn't present.

If the "balance of probability" decision is that the accident could have been avoided, you lose.

If "balance of probability" says the accident would have happened anyway, your insurance stands.

e.g.
You swerve to avoid hitting something and roll your vehicle - your illegal 5" lift makes the vehicle unroadworthy (which you were aware of), and they can argue the lift contributed to the roll.

You don't stop quickly enough and run into the back of another car - insurance can claim it was because of your illegal oversized tyres (again which make the vehicle unroadworthy).

I agree 100%.

If there is some way they can get out of paying they will - e.g. any way they can say an unroadworthy aspect of the vehicle contributed to the accident.

Contribution alone isn't enough. The insurance company must establish that the accident could have been avoided had the defect not been present (then you could argue you had no way of knowing, but 35's are hard to miss. )

Example (again.) Somebody fails to give way, and a collision occurs. If there was zero reaction time, and the collision occurred at near the speed limit, 1" oversize tyres weren't a significant contributor. In this case, a Hilux on (legal) 30" tyres is just as likely to have collided as one on (technically illegal) 31" tyres.

If the accident occurred on a highway, and a Hilux on 35s managed to brake from 110km/h down to (something in the order of) 30km/h, it would be easy to argue that a 30" shod Hilux could have stopped - claim denied, someone's in trouble.

I'm not advocating wholesale disregard for the law - if it can be engineered, do it! If it can't be engineered, make sure you understand ALL the implications - don't come here and cry.