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CruiserCruising wrote:Was there an official photographer for the event id love to see some more photos
i think thats a bit of a sore point!!!
Rudi & Hobzee thanks for putting on a great event. looking forward to next year although i wont have a car there cause if all goes to plan my car will be on its way to malaysia. i will either be a co-nut or a marshall
i would reccommend this event to anyone. good stages and a great bunch of blokes. you better prepare for groth for next year
beretta wrote:Check out the write up in the current issue of 4wd Monthly, some great pics too!
You mean that big spread pic on the opening page of the story
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
I havn't bought a copy of 4wd monthly for about 2 yr's as they just keep re-hashing the same old stories. But spent my hard earned on this months to check out the coverage of cliffhanger and was so dissapointed i felt like e-mailing them (4wdm) to express the my opinions. If this is the best they can do for an event that they sponsor and according to the last lines in the story they cover exclusivly then they should be ashamed of there contribution. I know there was a problem with the photography, and Mick left early so the only photos published are 2 stages, what happened to the other 18 stages, and the story reads like it was written by someone who didn't even go to the event, pretty much a generic sort of rant, not to mention they got the class's mixed up. Anyway just my oppinion, i think it's pretty ordinary, except your photo Ruffy. But we even got better pic's than that on your camera.
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Coighty wrote:I havn't bought a copy of 4wd monthly for about 2 yr's as they just keep re-hashing the same old stories. But spent my hard earned on this months to check out the coverage of cliffhanger and was so dissapointed i felt like e-mailing them (4wdm) to express the my opinions. If this is the best they can do for an event that they sponsor and according to the last lines in the story they cover exclusivly then they should be ashamed of there contribution. I know there was a problem with the photography, and Mick left early so the only photos published are 2 stages, what happened to the other 18 stages, and the story reads like it was written by someone who didn't even go to the event, pretty much a generic sort of rant, not to mention they got the class's mixed up. Anyway just my oppinion, i think it's pretty ordinary, except your photo Ruffy. But we even got better pic's than that on your camera.
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I agree.. After reading the editorial on it i felt like all they wanted to do was convey to everyone that the OBC is shit value for money and that Cliffhanger had cars there!!!!!!!!
Poor Effort... I hope it gets better this year. The event deserves better!
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
i agree with these comments , i think navrun should take a hard look at the 4wd monthly sponsorship if this is all they can come up with. the pics are crap and the story isnt even correct i was very disssapointed.
4wd monthly should be ashamed of this write up!!
yeah I was pretty unimpressed by the coverage of a mag sponsored event. I was hoping for a lot more detailed coverage to give me, as someone who hasn't competed or spectated the event, a better idea of what it was and how it was different to the OBC
from a spectators point of view you can see some of the unoffical shots that one of the spectators leaders took at www.holeshotimages.com.au
There is some great shots there of not only the comp going on but the property and the fun the spectators were having up there.
Considering that there was a monumental stuffup (as previously stated) in regards to unauthorised, non-sponsors being given certain rights, causing authorised photographers and sponsors to leave early.... yeah... there's not much there.
I think the link above is actually pretty rude in response to the complaints.
Nuff said... bring on 2007 in all it's glory and here's to giving it 200% this time
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
ok so there was a problem with photography understood but surely more detailed coverage could have been offered without the photo issues. personally I would almost prefer a good informative article with a few quality pics rather than alot of pics and not much info
Squik wrote:
I think the link above is actually pretty rude in response to the complaints.
I don't think so. I don't know who you are squik but it's apparent you work for 4wd monthly. I realise the rights of exclusivity towards an event and it is possible that they have been breached, without seeing the contract i don't know. However the oppotunity for your 'staff' to cover the event was not removed, they chose to leave. Regardless of that, the fact the the coverage of the event is 'substandard' does not reflect badly on any body except your magazine. The politics and in fighting about the coverage is not seen by the public, the magazine is. therefore it is in the magazines best interest to cover the event fully and in the manner which they publicised it would be covered.
From wear i'm sitting (as a competitor at the event) i want publicity for my sponspors and myself, from where my family and friends are sitting (wanting to see me in action) they want to see photos and read stories. If the 'major' sponsor can't deliver then we'll source are food somwhere else. This isn't about the reasons or excuses for the result.. it's about the result, which is what counts to 99% of the people out there.
But yes.. roll on 2007.. I hear that Navrun and 4wd monthly are going to be working closely this year and i'll be looking forward to it.. even though it will be three months after it happens!..
Cheers Dan.
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
The "stuff up" wasn't so huge. I wasn't aware Offroad Images were coming let alone offered sponsorship. I wasn't even aware Michael was even with the mag still (who does know these days??) Confused yet - just wait ! Danni has been doing work for Michael and 4WDM. At some point in time Danni started working with Holeshot Images (I didn't know that either) and it would appear this is competition to Offroad Images. Of course, this all bubbled to the surface mid way through the event when my mind is on a ton of other pressing things like goats eating way points, etc) Danni had done an amazing job assisting with spectators, name tags, etc and now we had a conflict with a sponsor I didn't realise we had in the first place. I didn't ask either party to leave - it's just that there was another event (Nissan Trials) on the same weekend and so I suppose it made sense for Michael to switch events. On the scheme of things I guess I understand. Michael is a machine when it comes to action pics - I have plenty of his pieces at home and I worship them. That's about the extent of the said "stuff up" so let's move on, huh!
The story and pics are a bit brief. We were promissed more for the "exclusivity". Having said that Rude Dude and I will be going up to the mother state and seeing our good friends at 4WD Monthly to discuss our expectations for 2007 and have photographers, journalists and qty of pages in artical and advertising all sewn up well in advance. Call it a learning process - man I'm about done learning the hard way.
Also - for the record - I still like the Outback Challenge too. There is room for both but there are times we can not control what people say in magazines and in forums. Rudi and I will continue to make the Cliffhanger as different to OBC as possible and when comparisons are made it does not always reflect what Rudi and I feel or intend.
In May I would like to spectate the first few days at OBC (Mud and Sand properties) then visit Cootawandi on say Wed-Fri then be back at the "Hill" for OBC presentations. While at the "Wundi" (local speak) I am going to explore them thar hills. Also taking maybe 50 star pickets with alloy (goat proof) number tags and set up the biggest meanest navigation course. Thinking about a 6-8 hour stage - god knows the block of dirt is big enough.
Did you know you can fit all of Melbourne and outer suburbs into the Wundi. From Camp to the homestead and back is about a half tank of fuel.
How about that - OL auto edits certain words out..
Hmm the word edited out in previous post is an animal known to eat blackberry bushes around town and prolific in the outback. Billy and Nanny would be good names for pet varieties.
So how do we describe an overgrown / steep track that resembles a g*** track? Or what if we were serving g***'s cheese ?? Very interesting!
Hobzee wrote:So how do we describe an overgrown / steep track that resembles a g*** track? Or what if we were serving g***'s cheese ?? Very interesting!
I was wondering why you were editing goat in all your posts.. that's a pisser.
Thanks for clearing all that up Hobzee. As a competitor we were all aware of the problem at hand and from our point of view it seemd somewhat school yardish.. I can see how it happened though with Danni shifting camps and what not... Learning the hardway is the best way. It improves your insight and removes your willingness to assume.. Bring on the 8 hour nav stage
Keep up the good work guys.
Cheers Dan..
P.S. just wondering if Stacks self edits yet?
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[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
Hobzee... the frustrations were due to lack of communication, the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing, and the left hand forgetting to let the right hand know... and I'll leave it at that.
It's all a learning curve, and it should be kept in mind that personal differences do not a good event make. Looking forward to the meeting, good things are in store for all
Bring on 2007
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
I work for Australian 4WD Monthly and I am the one responsible for the poor write-up of the 2006 Cliffhanger event.
To say it is not my finest work and it's not work I am proud of is an understatement.
It stings to have my work criticised but to be honest it's not expected nor unwarranted.
To say that the events that happened during the Cliffhanger got to me is an understatement.
To say it impacted on my work because it drove us to leave early is not a lie. Not consciously, but because we missed events I missed out on details. Period.
The photography issue was not the only thing that irked me.
I spent a great deal of effort to get the funding to produce the T-Shirts and hats that every competitor recieved for free. Navrun didnt pay for these, Australian 4WD Monthly did. And, as our budget for these things had been cut dramatically, it took a lot of long meetings to convince the beancounters that this not unsubstantial investment (and it was) would be worth it. When the clothing wasn't even handed out, after all that work, and then a freelance photography company was taking photos to sell for their profit with our logos nowhere to be seen, I knew I was going to cop it when I got back to work.
Anyway, I want to put everything that happened down to miscommunications and misunderstandings. Rudi and Hobzee run a cracker event and I sincerely want Navun and A4WDM to work together well into the future. We are extremely proud of the fact that we did help create this event -- by providing thousands of dollars of advertising and by covering the event better than anyone else could, to a target market that no other 4WD magazine in Australia with the exception of Dirt Comp has.
I cant wait for us to meet with Navrun so we can work out a way to go forward for 2007 and beyond.
Hoping you will forgive and let me make it up to you all with a sensational event coverage this year.
4130warrior wrote:I work for Australian 4WD Monthly and I am the one responsible for the poor write-up of the 2006 Cliffhanger event.
To say it is not my finest work and it's not work I am proud of is an understatement.
It stings to have my work criticised but to be honest it's not expected nor unwarranted.
To say that the events that happened during the Cliffhanger got to me is an understatement.
To say it impacted on my work because it drove us to leave early is not a lie. Not consciously, but because we missed events I missed out on details. Period.
Cheers, Brendan
That's an admirable thing to do Brendan. To come forward like that must be hard to do amongst peers that usually support you. Nobility Noted.
That aside i'm sure every body at the event appreciated the shirts and caps. It's simple but one of my fav' shirts and in fact gets a good wearing at other comps and i have seen plenty of others around to, so yes it did work. I think it would be a sad day that comes when we see only ONE photographer covering an event of such magnitude.. It's fair enough for any company or association in conflict with a major sponsor not to recieve any publicity, we don't expect that, but it is good to have phoos from various angles and places from the event.
Keep up the good work Brendan
See you up there this year.
Cheers Dan
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
I am glad to hear that the shirts were well recieved, part of the problem was they were late coming from the printers and instead of supply Rudi with them pre-event we had to bring them out with us ourselves.
Anyway, we're set to have a meeting with Navrun soon, so bring on the 07 event!
