Zook RH sag and drop shackles

Post by **shw337** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:16 pm

hey guys, i got a 92 sierra wit 2in body,2in spring n extended shackels, and recently put it up in the air to hav a look underneath 2 sus out a noice (turns out i busted a uni) but the problem is that
wen i put it bak on the ground the right hand front side had dropped drematicly, just wonderin if ne1 cud help me guess wat the problem cud be.

if its the shackels im just gunna get drop shackels for the lil f@*ker.

ne info is good , cheers

steve

Post by **lay80n** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:21 pm

Look in the bible for info on teh right hand side lean. As for drop shackles - Junk. Search for info on them, there is plenty here.

Layto....

Post by **shw337** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:32 pm

everythin thing i'v heard bout drop shackels is good news, ne reason u say different? intrested in opinions, thanx... also cant find ride high thing u mentioned

Post by **sierrajim** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:45 pm

shw337 wrote:everythin thing i'v heard bout drop shackels is good news, ne reason u say different? intrested in opinions, thanx... also cant find ride high thing u mentioned

They're not just a matter of "bolting" them on. There are othermods that need to be done to make them within a workable limit.

The extent of these modifications including:
- brake lines, no big deal same as any other lift
-longer shocks, so long that you'll need to do shock hoops
-Trac bar to avoid axle wrap
-limiting straps

Having had them on cars before, yes, they give you heaps of flex. Uncontrolled flex that can make your car quite unpredictable. Looks uber cool on a ramp though

Post by **shw337** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:50 pm

by gettin long shocks but not rediculas, wudnt that sorta limit the stretch?

as for brake lines, need to do that neway mine r borter line so gunne get that dun. thanx for the info tho!

Post by **CHOPS1** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:43 pm

its called suzuki lean! battery, transfer case, driver, fuel tank, and spare tyre are all on the one side!

chop

Post by **nicbeer** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:51 am

SEARCH.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=44622

this is from the bible thread.

Post by **lay80n** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:01 am

shw337 wrote:everythin thing i'v heard bout drop shackels is good news, ne reason u say different? intrested in opinions, thanx... also cant find ride high thing u mentioned

As said, look in bible, or search for it. Drop shackles are not bolt on, and all they do is allow a wheel to flop down uncontrolled. The reduction in toll stiffness also means that one end works easier than the other, getting the car on un-nessasary angles. THe wheel flopping down has no load on it, and will just spin unless you are locked. They can un-load on side angles if you use the throttle, and can induce axle wrap, destroying your springs. As for longer shocks, thingk about it. The longer the shock, the more wheel travel available. Provided the shock mounts are in the correct place.

SEARCH about drop shackles, there are about eleventy million threads on them, and the general consensus is they are CRAP. For posers only.

Layto....

Post by **just cruizin'** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:46 am

Yes the lean is a biatch, I have spent countless hours under mine changing out spring packs and modifing them. Just when you get it to ride level you wheel it and bend a spring and it's back to stage one. I won't be cutting my spring clamps off next time round at the moment mine have a 50mm lean, everyone thinks I'm a fat bastard.

Post by **sierrajim** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:04 pm

shw337 wrote:by gettin long shocks but not rediculas, wudnt that sorta limit the stretch?

as for brake lines, need to do that neway mine r borter line so gunne get that dun. thanx for the info tho!

Perhaps also use whole words. Makes it easier for humans to read.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:47 pm

sierrajim wrote:
shw337 wrote:by gettin long shocks but not rediculas, wudnt that sorta limit the stretch?

as for brake lines, need to do that neway mine r borter line so gunne get that dun. thanx for the info tho!
Perhaps also use whole words. Makes it easier for humans to read.

Grimbo - Get off of Jim's computer now!

Post by **shw337** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:51 pm

ok, the problem occured after i put the car off the hoist, befor that the car sat fine, so i dun think its the weight problem. n its only thre front.

i was just asking for opinions on drop shackels becoz i'v only heard good thing n wud liek to hear more from people who hav been there n dun it or no bout it, n yes i understand that drop shackels drop uncontrolably,

mayb i shud rphrase the question,

how can i try n fix my problem? any ideas?

wats the best way to get more stretch?

Post by **sierrajim** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:29 pm

shw337 wrote:how can i try n fix my problem? any ideas?

wats the best way to get more stretch?

Swap your left and right front springs over.

Post by **shw337** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:37 pm

sierrajim wrote:
shw337 wrote:how can i try n fix my problem? any ideas?

wats the best way to get more stretch?
Swap your left and right front springs over.

lol, wud that seriously work, or wud that just make the left sag

Post by **sierrajim** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:34 pm

shw337 wrote:
sierrajim wrote:
shw337 wrote:how can i try n fix my problem? any ideas?

wats the best way to get more stretch?
Swap your left and right front springs over.
lol, wud that seriously work, or wud that just make the left sag

idnt kno, maybe ti it n c.

As said by others, it sounds like you have sagged right hand springs. Swapping them may level the car, or get your springs reset.

You'll find that most quality sierra spring kits come with one side set higher than the other to go onto the right hand side.

BTW.

Your computer is not a telephone, you have a full keyboard. So you can use the whole word.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:21 pm

As per everyone else.... sierras are about 60kg heavier on the RHF than the LHF, and that's before the driver gets in. They nomally all lean to the right a bit.

Seriously, swap you springs left to right in the front. It might not fix it forever, but it will help.

As for more "stretch" well, you won't really have any droop in the suspension at all at the moment- it will all be compression. Stock sierras have about 1.5" of compression in the front end, that leaves 3.5" of droop for 5" travel shocks. (stock shock length in the front) if you have 2" springs and extended shackles (lets say 2" over stock) you only have 0.5" of droop left until the shocks top out. If you have "long travel" shocks you might have an extra inch of droop, but either way, you now have far more compression than droop. In any case, this will give you the normal choppy sierra ride off road.

You can fabricate longer shock mounts, bumpstop spacers (or both) and gain droop, but sooner or later you will up against the design limitations of the car - the front spring is too short by design to allow more than about maybe 6-7" of travel.

Listen to those of us who have experience with drop shackles - they are for posers. If you like to park you car on stumps and take photos of it, go ahead and fit drop shackles, they will be fully sick. If you want it to work properly, avoid them.

IMHO, RUF is about the only sensible way of getting more travel in the front. You will gain up to 4" of droop and it will ride better and handle better off road, none of which is the case with drop shackles. It is lots of work though, a little bit more than fitting drop shackles properly. rEar springs are 3" longer from eye to eye and have slightly more arch standard so when they are tuned by pulling leaves to give the right ride height, you will have a soft ride and lots of droop.

If you just want a more balanced car, look at your tyre size and how much room you need for them, you couls always take some leaves out to soften the car up and give the car a better balance of droop to compression.

PS drop shackles are not safe for the front IMHO where steering forces increase the leverage on them.

Steve.

Post by **shw337** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:37 pm

as for the computer not being a telephone, i know this but am not yet used to explaining n typin in long terms, sorry i'll learn eventually.

thanx for the info on the stretch n flex, it is muchly appreciated n will look further into it.

after playin around this after noon i hav found that my right front extended shackel ahs slipped forward (makes a tighter angle then other) me being me didnt realise till today

... so will hav to straighten it up n tighten the bolts!

Post by **just cruizin'** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:26 pm

The bolts on the shackles are not meant to be that tight. the way the shackle works is to allow the spring to flatten out. If the drivers side shackle is flatter then the passengers it's because the spring has sagged. Don't tighten them to the point where they don't move, it'll give a terrible ride and stuff your spring further.

Post by **lay80n** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:33 pm

shw337 wrote:as for the computer not being a telephone, i know this but am not yet used to explaining n typin in long terms, sorry i'll learn eventually.

thanx for the info on the stretch n flex, it is muchly appreciated n will look further into it.

after playin around this after noon i hav found that my right front extended shackel ahs slipped forward (makes a tighter angle then other) me being me didnt realise till today ... so will hav to straighten it up n tighten the bolts!

WHOOOOOO slow down there. Do you know how the spring and shackle work? Think about this, as the spring is curved, the relative distance between the two eyes is shorter than when the spring flattens out .The shackle is supposed to swing in an arc, allowing the springs relative eye to eye length as it travels from full droop to full compression. The shackle pins should be tight, but not so tight that they stop the shackle from working. While not a direct dig at you, if you are not sure of something dont just asume it needs fixing and jump in hell for leather till you know how it works or what to do. Maybe a picture or 2 will help sort things out better than typing a post that defies the English language.

Layto....

Post by **shw337** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:08 pm

hahah sry guys, figured this out bout 2 mins after typing last msg, utter dumbness,

, sry for bitchin bout it n sayin u were wrong, as it occurs, the springs has flattened out about 30mm, will adding another leaf cure the sagg or wat is the best way?

Post by **built4thrashing** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:56 pm

what i did to cure my zooks sag was look at the thickness of the leaves. Lifted leaves tend to be a little thicker than stock ones so i pulled the pack apart and made a new set with one more thicker leaf in the drivers side than the passenger. Both fronts have the same number of leaves but the drivers side has all thicker lifted ones and passenger side has a non lifted 2nd leaf to compensate for the lighter load.

Hope this makes sense as it has worked for me to stop the sag.

Post by **shw337** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:19 pm

n when u did this, it did not affect travel at all?

Post by **built4thrashing** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:26 am

not enough to be noticable. both sides have the same number of leaves just the drivers side has all thick ones and passenger has one (i think its the second main leaf) which is a thinner non lifted leaf.

Post by **shw337** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:00 am

so pretty much, pull the passanger sid eapart n replace the 2nd main leaf wit a stock leaf?

wud that just be making the passanger side as low at the driver side?

Post by **built4thrashing** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:59 pm

in simple terms yes

Post by **shw337** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:15 pm

well the point on this thread is to get the drivers side bak level wit the rest of the car so ur info was pretty usless then.

edit - sry for this coment, lil to much of rumbos n took it to heart. appreciat the the info,
cheers steve

Post by **suz_rolly** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:52 pm

shw337 wrote:well the point on this thread is to get the drivers side bak level wit the rest of the car so ur info was pretty usless then.

This info is not useless by the sounds of it you dont know a thing about simple physics read the whole topic if you dont understand READ IT AGAIN

learn young sky walker BEFORE YOU GET FRIED

Post by **built4thrashing** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:45 pm

The thing ya trying to fix is it not sitting level so if it means you have to lower the passenger side to suit the heavier drivers side then you have fixed the problem.

Or if you want to go the other way and lift the driverside up to suit the passenger you COULD go get a leaf custom made thats thicker and set with the correct arc. bla bla bla

Just remember if you do a RUF with what i said and used lifted rears then by lowering the passenger side a bit will help with the overall level stance front to rear.

Post by **fool_injected** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:01 pm

Put new spings in the truck yesterday ( and removed extended shackles)
Handling is noticably better
Damn thing leans to the left now

edit: shadow- put four bricks in the passengers footwell, too easy

Post by **shw337** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:23 pm

the reason i wud like to get it bak to the hight of rest of car, is even tho it has on sadded 40mm or so, at full stretch n lifting a bak wheel, the wheels scrums out on the flairs, but it dosnt on passanger side (found this out from a weekend wheel)

custom springs sound expensive, but i could b wrong, just the word custom. but could b the way to go,

as for ruf, seems like a timly pain in the arse of a conversion that has good outcomes, but im impatient n dont like the tonka truck off the road for too long

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