Please help
i put a 1600 into my sierra using an adapter plate, that adapter plate is 16 mm thick. my starter motor will not through out all the way as it isnt long enough to clear the adapter plate, which is then only hitting the flywheel just and so it makes a horrible noise and is wearing down the flywheel faster than usuall.
have other people using the adapter plate had this problem
by using an adapter plate this problem cant be avoided?
can anybody help because i am stumped!!!
Dan!
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Adapter Plate *Sierra 1300 > 1600 please help
who made the adapdter plate? have u seen them and asked what to do?
This post has been asnswered in the past as well.
byw: no i dont have the same probblem with mine.
Nic
This post has been asnswered in the past as well.
byw: no i dont have the same probblem with mine.
Nic
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this post has been answerd in the past, well good. you should all know what to tell me then
i told the bloke who made it, he said the plate is perfect.
the plate is designed and made for these engine conversions so i dont understand why a plate that is made for such a thing prevents your starter from making 100% contact with the flywheel
joe from 4PLAY said that people often have these problems when using an adapter kit. i just wanna know what i can do about it
Dan!
i told the bloke who made it, he said the plate is perfect.
the plate is designed and made for these engine conversions so i dont understand why a plate that is made for such a thing prevents your starter from making 100% contact with the flywheel
joe from 4PLAY said that people often have these problems when using an adapter kit. i just wanna know what i can do about it
Dan!
uh huh
couple links from previos threads here
http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopi ... highlight=
i take it that u have used the 1.3 flywheel? and what starter did Joe (i take it that 4play designed the plate) say to use with the conversion?
the adapter sounds a little bit thick maybe for the mount as well. never measured mine up.
http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopi ... highlight=
i take it that u have used the 1.3 flywheel? and what starter did Joe (i take it that 4play designed the plate) say to use with the conversion?
the adapter sounds a little bit thick maybe for the mount as well. never measured mine up.
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ok
i bought the plate off a bloke in NZ, i then did the conversion myself.
i grinded the starter back, so it is now not an elignment problem.
i took it to joe only because i was so fucken stumped i thought he would have an idea.
im now going to rip the gearbox out tonight, take it down to joe to get some new tabs welded on.
i have no idea why a conversion plate made for a specific thing doesnt work.
i just thought i would post up asking if anyone else had this problem.
Dan!
i grinded the starter back, so it is now not an elignment problem.
i took it to joe only because i was so fucken stumped i thought he would have an idea.
im now going to rip the gearbox out tonight, take it down to joe to get some new tabs welded on.
i have no idea why a conversion plate made for a specific thing doesnt work.
i just thought i would post up asking if anyone else had this problem.
Dan!
uh huh
If the Bloke in NZ was BenT from here then the adapter is not a problem when running the 1.6 starter as this is the combination i am using.
Also i am using the same combo. BenT adapter, 1.6 MPFI, sierra box and sierra flywheel, vitara starter motor.
1300 flywheel is the way to go.
Also i am using the same combo. BenT adapter, 1.6 MPFI, sierra box and sierra flywheel, vitara starter motor.
1300 flywheel is the way to go.
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Hey Dan. Not good to hear you're still having trouble with the starter.
I thought you said it was going OK after you ground some more off your 1300 starter.
I really think you need to get a narrow body 1600 starter like the one in the picture I sent you.
I've done several conversions myself, and sold dozens of kits and never had a problem with starters not engaging, other than yours.
The narrow body gear reduction 1600 starter just WORKS.
Your plate is 6mm thick. They have to be this thick to give room for the countersunk cap screw, any thinner and the head woudn't be flush.
Fortunately the starter has plenty of travel and still engages the flywheel.
The one other vehicle I have had trouble with a starter not engaging properly in was a zuk with tabs welded onto the gearbox. This is on the Winch challenge truck I navigate in.
The starter wasn't alligning properly due to the fact that, as previously mentioned, the sandwhich plate locates the starter, and neither the 1300 or the 1600 one fits on a conversion, so he didn't have one.
I ended up making a custom sandwhich plate the same shape as my adaptor plate to fix his problem.
The 1600 flywheel is too big to fit in the bellhousing. The 1300 flywheel is the correct one to use.
Why don't you at least try a narrow body 1600 starter before you go to the effort of pulling the box and welding on tabs?
Does anyone on here have one Dan can borrow?
Ben
I thought you said it was going OK after you ground some more off your 1300 starter.
I really think you need to get a narrow body 1600 starter like the one in the picture I sent you.
I've done several conversions myself, and sold dozens of kits and never had a problem with starters not engaging, other than yours.
The narrow body gear reduction 1600 starter just WORKS.
Your plate is 6mm thick. They have to be this thick to give room for the countersunk cap screw, any thinner and the head woudn't be flush.
Fortunately the starter has plenty of travel and still engages the flywheel.
The one other vehicle I have had trouble with a starter not engaging properly in was a zuk with tabs welded onto the gearbox. This is on the Winch challenge truck I navigate in.
The starter wasn't alligning properly due to the fact that, as previously mentioned, the sandwhich plate locates the starter, and neither the 1300 or the 1600 one fits on a conversion, so he didn't have one.
I ended up making a custom sandwhich plate the same shape as my adaptor plate to fix his problem.
The 1600 flywheel is too big to fit in the bellhousing. The 1300 flywheel is the correct one to use.
Why don't you at least try a narrow body 1600 starter before you go to the effort of pulling the box and welding on tabs?
Does anyone on here have one Dan can borrow?
Ben
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I have never seen a conversion plate so I dont really understand what they look like? (I had blocks welded on the bellhousing)
If the plate goes between the block and box and is 16mm thick or even 10mm wouldn't the input shaft not go into the bearing in the flywheel? and since the flywheel is in the same position and the starter bolts in rear facing then regardless of the thickness of the adapter the starter will always be in the right position??
After all this even a heavy duty clutch will still slip or heat up at least (many a time i found my self sitting on a climb waiting for the clutch to cool).
The Vitara flywheel is heavier and will provide much better feel as the momentem of it allows smoother driving off road.
Unpick the spot welds on the trans tunnel and widen it and put in a vit box (i think the early carbie one has a taller 5th than the inj box or the other way round?)
The Vit transfer simply unbolts and the sierra drive shaft will slip in after you shorten it (I cut my shat on a drop saw and MIGed back together without even balancing it and due to it being so short havn't had a problem)
I have never looked back!
If the plate goes between the block and box and is 16mm thick or even 10mm wouldn't the input shaft not go into the bearing in the flywheel? and since the flywheel is in the same position and the starter bolts in rear facing then regardless of the thickness of the adapter the starter will always be in the right position??
After all this even a heavy duty clutch will still slip or heat up at least (many a time i found my self sitting on a climb waiting for the clutch to cool).
The Vitara flywheel is heavier and will provide much better feel as the momentem of it allows smoother driving off road.
Unpick the spot welds on the trans tunnel and widen it and put in a vit box (i think the early carbie one has a taller 5th than the inj box or the other way round?)
The Vit transfer simply unbolts and the sierra drive shaft will slip in after you shorten it (I cut my shat on a drop saw and MIGed back together without even balancing it and due to it being so short havn't had a problem)
I have never looked back!
starter issue
ye 6mm.
i have just had enough of this bullshit, i dont understand how this is such an on going problem, i have grinded off so much of the strater motor theres no way its on an angle. so i no for a fact that the starter is lined up straight when bolted up. and i no the starter motor i have works and is good.
so i just dont understand why this is still making so much noise on starting.
is it possible that the flywheel is so far warn that it just makes contact making a noise...
i dont no im not a machanic.
Dan!
i have just had enough of this bullshit, i dont understand how this is such an on going problem, i have grinded off so much of the strater motor theres no way its on an angle. so i no for a fact that the starter is lined up straight when bolted up. and i no the starter motor i have works and is good.
so i just dont understand why this is still making so much noise on starting.
is it possible that the flywheel is so far warn that it just makes contact making a noise...
i dont no im not a machanic.
Dan!
uh huh
Sounds like u have flywheel or starter issues.
Maybe the throw out off the starter is not reaching the flywheel properly or the flywheel is the problem, You were running a sierra starter wernt ya? maybe buy a vit one if not and bolt it in.
maybe get both checked by a mechanic to make sure.
Most people do not have a problem with the plates.
Maybe the throw out off the starter is not reaching the flywheel properly or the flywheel is the problem, You were running a sierra starter wernt ya? maybe buy a vit one if not and bolt it in.
maybe get both checked by a mechanic to make sure.
Most people do not have a problem with the plates.
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Re: starter issue
Yes, ring gears can wear, and if your 1300 starter has been grinding for a while it may have buggered it.Daniel wrote:is it possible that the flywheel is so far warn that it just makes contact making a noise...
Its also possible your solenoid may be weak or sticky and its not throwing out the pinion properly.
I'll see if I can get a pic of a good ring gear this weekend.
I still think you need to try a 1600 starter.
Ben
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