This sounds like a job for today tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe just maybe if you want cash get it from the person who damaged your winch. The one who overloaded it and burnt it out.
Hang on that would be you wouldn't it. Maybe take some responsibility for your own actions. NOBODY made you push that button to operate your winch but yourself. If you had kept an eye on the winch and not overloaded it then it would be fine still.
Maybe take some winch training when it is offered in your club?
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and i repeat..if i felt that doing the recovery would have damaged my equipment i would have said i am not comfortable with doing this recovery and i feel that as trip leader you should either do it yourself or find someone else to do it... no guns were held to anybodys head...nastytroll wrote: AT THE BREIFING IT WAS SAID "ITS A TAG ALONG YOU ARE RESPONSABLE FOR HELPING THE VEHICLE BEHIND YOU" IF THAT IS NOT A DIRECT STATEMENT TO DO THE RECOVERY WHAT IS? The club should be fair about this but this is not the place to take it up, but as the trip leader was not able to be contacted on the night I can understand what has happened.
again...my actions are my responsibility...damn i rolled my car at a comp a few months back..i should have got the comp organiser and the owners of the park to pay for it because they told me that we had to drive their as that is the course...if that isnt a direct statement to drive that particular course and roll my vehicle i dont know what is
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Dude, your ramblings make no sense to anyone,shortgq69 wrote:you lot have missed the point or let it go over your heads because you cant get the fact a for sale for three thousand dollars on the back window & the thinking its alright who ever is in front of me has get me out on matter what it cost them thats my beef & the clud let it happen
What does having a for sale sign on the back of the truck being recovered have to do with the price of fish in China?
Is it supposed to be a well known vehicle? Is it in the outerlimits for sale section?
I'd be pissed off too if i broke something recovering someone less experienced but the fact of the matter remains, YOU BROKE IT!
Do you not know how to use a winch? What it sounds like when it gets overloaded? Maybe it wouldn't have broken if you had added a snatch block into the recovery system being used, or if there was one used, maybe you needed two? This shit happens all the time. You are not the first and you wont be the last.
Unfortunately most of us guys doing hard 4wding arent riggers and have a limited knowledge of how to properly recover a stuck vehicle with a winch, most times it's not just a simple case of hook em up and wind them in.
Yes it's a costly error of judgement, there is a lesson to be learned here, but it has nothing to do with the Logan club, Brett or anyone off here.
It is your resposnibility if you want to hound someone for compensation to take it up with the bloke who was being recoverred.
That should be easy since he had a for sale sign on his vehicle, ring him up.
That's my 2c in this whole thing.
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I can see shortgq69's point to a but he hasn't gone about this in the right way. Abusing/Asking for people to pay for repairs after the event on an open forum is not a good way to get people to help you.
As for damaging your own gear, If i thought my gear was going to get damaged wouldn't you stop and take another look at what you are doing before destroying gear????
The club that runs the trip should have a set standard of truck and gear if its going to to be a hard trip that would require possible recovery so a hard type. Also if they let an poorly set up truck on the trip stick that car between 2 of the club trucks with people that are well trained/experienced in recoverys and have a couple of people from the club to act as recovery people just to oversee whats happening.
Seen it is an open invite to people you could ended up with all types of wheelers with no idea on recovery that could turn real ugly if something goes wrong and some gets hurt.
Thats my 2 cents worth
As for damaging your own gear, If i thought my gear was going to get damaged wouldn't you stop and take another look at what you are doing before destroying gear????
The club that runs the trip should have a set standard of truck and gear if its going to to be a hard trip that would require possible recovery so a hard type. Also if they let an poorly set up truck on the trip stick that car between 2 of the club trucks with people that are well trained/experienced in recoverys and have a couple of people from the club to act as recovery people just to oversee whats happening.
Seen it is an open invite to people you could ended up with all types of wheelers with no idea on recovery that could turn real ugly if something goes wrong and some gets hurt.
Thats my 2 cents worth
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The simple fact is, the Logan Club puts on these night runs (at a great deal of trouble and donated time and effort from members), so that you guys can all come out and do what we all enjoy. We VOLUNTEER our time to set these runs up. Now, in a perfect world, it would have been run as a normal "follow a map" run. Unfortunately, Brett and I had some dramas ourselves during the set-up, which meant we did not have enough time to fully map the run. Hence, the tag-a-long.
Now, it was made very clear in the driver breifing that each vehicle was responsible for the vehicle behind them. If anyone found this to be an unacceptable situation, THAT would have been the time to bring it up. Not on an open forum AFTER the fact.
While it is unfortunate that there was damage done to a vehicle whilst performing a recovery, I really can't see why the club (or any club/organiser for that matter) should be responsible for the cost of said damages. I mean, lets face it, if we are going to be held liable for every broken cv/dented door/staked tyre etc, is anyone going to stick their hand up to put on a run? I'm thinking not.
What would happen then? No more Logan night runs for the general public, that's what.
Come on guys. Things go wrong. It's a fact of life. And, it's never at a good time, and seldom is it cost-free when it happens. But, nevertheless, it DOES happen, and most of us have been a victim at one time or another.
Now, it was made very clear in the driver breifing that each vehicle was responsible for the vehicle behind them. If anyone found this to be an unacceptable situation, THAT would have been the time to bring it up. Not on an open forum AFTER the fact.
While it is unfortunate that there was damage done to a vehicle whilst performing a recovery, I really can't see why the club (or any club/organiser for that matter) should be responsible for the cost of said damages. I mean, lets face it, if we are going to be held liable for every broken cv/dented door/staked tyre etc, is anyone going to stick their hand up to put on a run? I'm thinking not.
What would happen then? No more Logan night runs for the general public, that's what.
Come on guys. Things go wrong. It's a fact of life. And, it's never at a good time, and seldom is it cost-free when it happens. But, nevertheless, it DOES happen, and most of us have been a victim at one time or another.
Simon.
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NissanTuff wrote:To the guy in the shorty i seen it all. U thought u where the big man with the winch when all u had 2 do is pull/snatch him up. Every1 else did. There was heaps off trucks in front off u 2 help. SO I THINK U BETTER SHUT UP NOW AND GET BACK IN UR BOX.
bhahahahahahaah
seems the truth has come out...maybe the sour grapes will start to get a bit sweeter now...
by the way shortgq69...i recall some business cards of yours being handed out on the club run when i was there.(the Feb one i believe).did you pay advertising/sponsorship fees to the club for that, or with any photos you have taken on night runs that you have sold i am assuming a percentage of this sale went to the club as without them surely you wouldnt have been taking the said photos...
hmmmm..maybe the Logan Club needs your address to send the bill to for this advertising..i think 2 grand should just about cover it
dave
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Just my 2 cents
If it was rated as a hard track (I) personaly think there should of been some sort of equipment requirements prior to the drive.
and secondly
If you chose to recover someone its not anyone elses fault if you stuffed your winch. Its called "Taking responsibility for your actions".
Grow up people.
If it was rated as a hard track (I) personaly think there should of been some sort of equipment requirements prior to the drive.
and secondly
If you chose to recover someone its not anyone elses fault if you stuffed your winch. Its called "Taking responsibility for your actions".
Grow up people.
I agree on both points and I think in hind sight even the logan members involved would agree that it needs to get back to a certain level of scruteneering depending on the rating of the run.
Having said that though at what level do you draw the line?
OK you say for hard runs it should be twin diff locks and min of 3" lift right???
Well that is a hard one cause I know of some guys that would out wheel me and my GQ ute with everything in a 2" lifted lux, cruiser, GQ, etc with front locker only and rear LSD.
It is a hard call but something that needs looking at.
With this in mind is it still comes back to what was going on in this particular case - Guy what's the go it sounds like it could have been done with a simple snatch recovery? Other things to take into consideration are things like how many winches had the motor done within a 1/2hr period? Was this the first? If it was such a hard/demanding winch then how many snatch blocks were in use? As in was it a double, triple, etc line pull?
Was a experienced spotter in control of both vehicles? Was the winching technique right? Did the person in control of both vehicles have you load the winch to a point then have old mate drive , load winch, drive, load winch, blah blah blah
So many factors. It is no use throwing your toys out of the cot and carrying on mate. It is no responsibility of the Logan Club, individual organisers, or anything like that. If anything it comes down to a few very simple points mate - you choose to do the recovery, you obviously did not use the appropriate measures and shit happened.
Am I hiding behind my keyboard - no mate you have my number and you know where to find me at work, etc but I will say the same thing mate. Shit happened and it is by no means the fault of the Logan 4WD Club.
Having said that though at what level do you draw the line?
OK you say for hard runs it should be twin diff locks and min of 3" lift right???
Well that is a hard one cause I know of some guys that would out wheel me and my GQ ute with everything in a 2" lifted lux, cruiser, GQ, etc with front locker only and rear LSD.
It is a hard call but something that needs looking at.
With this in mind is it still comes back to what was going on in this particular case - Guy what's the go it sounds like it could have been done with a simple snatch recovery? Other things to take into consideration are things like how many winches had the motor done within a 1/2hr period? Was this the first? If it was such a hard/demanding winch then how many snatch blocks were in use? As in was it a double, triple, etc line pull?
Was a experienced spotter in control of both vehicles? Was the winching technique right? Did the person in control of both vehicles have you load the winch to a point then have old mate drive , load winch, drive, load winch, blah blah blah
So many factors. It is no use throwing your toys out of the cot and carrying on mate. It is no responsibility of the Logan Club, individual organisers, or anything like that. If anything it comes down to a few very simple points mate - you choose to do the recovery, you obviously did not use the appropriate measures and shit happened.
Am I hiding behind my keyboard - no mate you have my number and you know where to find me at work, etc but I will say the same thing mate. Shit happened and it is by no means the fault of the Logan 4WD Club.
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
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[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
I agree completely with the fact that there needs to be some level of scrutineering as well. You should have all the appropriate recovery gear to get you out of a situation, and be in a vehicle capable enough to do the drive with a skilled drive whilst still being a challenging drive.
The other point is though that yeah, where do you draw the line? I mean i know myself driving a 4" lifted Surf on 33's, and twin locked i'd have probably even had issues on that hill in question. So it is all good and well to say twin locked and a certain tyre size but it comes down to the truck and driver too.
Another point to make which i was discussing with the driver i nav'd for... because there was no map, it became a tag along at short notice. Normally on a HARD run there would be special stages which can be done by the guys capable and willing, and bypassed on a chicken track for the inexperienced or not so confident guys. There was none of this on that run... you either drove it or you left the run simple as that. That hill should really have been a special stage in which case old mate may not have driven it.
I was there though, and i do recall you were pretty eager to get in there with the winch and recover. Reality is you drove the last part of that hill fairly easily, so could have reversed down to do a snatch recovery.
I also recall you yelling to the driver if they had a UHF and getting the relayed message yes, and that he was on channel. At no point did i hear you attempt to make contact with the driver over the UHF.
It was a single line pull recovery when in reality i would have used a double line pull which could have been done.
At the end of the day it is done now anyway... you chose to recover, you knew the motor was getting hot (i also recall you saying so) and yet you continued to recover. Nobody stood there beside you holding a gun to your head making you do it.
Whilst on recovery beyond the call of duty, Albyone who you attacked so quickly in your first few posts was actually the driver who drove up the hill (the hard way) and turned around at the top and drove all the way back down (the hard way) to assist in recovery of the GQ which met its fate against a tree.
You won't make mates by abusing people on here, nor threatening people so i suggest you take a bit of a step back, adjust your attitude and go about things a bit better the next time you fire off another poorly constructed reply.
And as for the winch... if its that expensive to repair, why not look at the wonderful for sale section here where one of your fellow 4WD owning mates could help you out with a used one?
The other point is though that yeah, where do you draw the line? I mean i know myself driving a 4" lifted Surf on 33's, and twin locked i'd have probably even had issues on that hill in question. So it is all good and well to say twin locked and a certain tyre size but it comes down to the truck and driver too.
Another point to make which i was discussing with the driver i nav'd for... because there was no map, it became a tag along at short notice. Normally on a HARD run there would be special stages which can be done by the guys capable and willing, and bypassed on a chicken track for the inexperienced or not so confident guys. There was none of this on that run... you either drove it or you left the run simple as that. That hill should really have been a special stage in which case old mate may not have driven it.
I was there though, and i do recall you were pretty eager to get in there with the winch and recover. Reality is you drove the last part of that hill fairly easily, so could have reversed down to do a snatch recovery.
I also recall you yelling to the driver if they had a UHF and getting the relayed message yes, and that he was on channel. At no point did i hear you attempt to make contact with the driver over the UHF.
It was a single line pull recovery when in reality i would have used a double line pull which could have been done.
At the end of the day it is done now anyway... you chose to recover, you knew the motor was getting hot (i also recall you saying so) and yet you continued to recover. Nobody stood there beside you holding a gun to your head making you do it.
Whilst on recovery beyond the call of duty, Albyone who you attacked so quickly in your first few posts was actually the driver who drove up the hill (the hard way) and turned around at the top and drove all the way back down (the hard way) to assist in recovery of the GQ which met its fate against a tree.
You won't make mates by abusing people on here, nor threatening people so i suggest you take a bit of a step back, adjust your attitude and go about things a bit better the next time you fire off another poorly constructed reply.
And as for the winch... if its that expensive to repair, why not look at the wonderful for sale section here where one of your fellow 4WD owning mates could help you out with a used one?
Couple of good points there mate - agree with everything.
Lets just remember that the "general vehicle and gear inspection" is normally done and just may not have been done this time due to the few problems leading up to the run.
I don't like the blame to be put onto the club as you may well have realised. No I am not a member of the Logan 4WD Club (don't even get along with certain members of the club in higher positions at present) but I certainly think it is wrong to place any more than a poofteenth (if any) of the blame on the club.
Lets just remember that the "general vehicle and gear inspection" is normally done and just may not have been done this time due to the few problems leading up to the run.
I don't like the blame to be put onto the club as you may well have realised. No I am not a member of the Logan 4WD Club (don't even get along with certain members of the club in higher positions at present) but I certainly think it is wrong to place any more than a poofteenth (if any) of the blame on the club.
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
HEY!!! i resent that remark!!!Mad Cruiser wrote: Seriously you should accept that it was your own fault for damaging ur winch, cop it on the chin. Don't like it go buy a commowhore
On topic.... shit happens man... brings me to the first question... why did the winch burn out in the first place... pulling a car out... no different to pulling yourself out of a situation.. so if that was goin to happen at some stage.. it would have happened to YOU if it didnt happen in recovering someone else.
go figure....
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from the way i read it , if they did only let good operators go on night runs, you would have been left sitting in the car park, and there for no damage would have resulted to your equipment........ ALSO MABY YOU SHOULD INVEST IN SPELL CHECK, YOU OBVIOUSLEY KEEP THE EDITORS VERY BUSY WHEN YOU WRITE A STORY , DONT YOU!!!!!!!
Mad Cruiser wrote:
Seriously you should accept that it was your own fault for damaging ur winch, cop it on the chin. Don't like it go buy a commowhore
HEY!!! i resent that remark!!!
ME TOO
bwahahahahah
this thread is gold.
but seriously man, GET OVER IT. you were operating the winch. if you didnt think it could handle it or you could maybe here that something wasnt right, why keep winching. you only have yourself to blame im afraid.
Joel
Seriously you should accept that it was your own fault for damaging ur winch, cop it on the chin. Don't like it go buy a commowhore
HEY!!! i resent that remark!!!
ME TOO
bwahahahahah
this thread is gold.
but seriously man, GET OVER IT. you were operating the winch. if you didnt think it could handle it or you could maybe here that something wasnt right, why keep winching. you only have yourself to blame im afraid.
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Hahhaha you suck Craiggreen4x4 wrote: ALSO MABY YOU SHOULD INVEST IN SPELL CHECK, YOU OBVIOUSLEY KEEP THE EDITORS VERY BUSY WHEN YOU WRITE A STORY , DONT YOU!!!!!!!
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
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Cant wait 4 next run and I hope that W#&KER in the SHORTY dont come on the next 1. BLOODLY (GIMP) 
Have a thought for the poor guys who spend many weekends a year out making tracks for the rest of us to enjoy.
It costs them a lot of time as well as a lot of money in fuel and parts and would be more than a couple of thousand a year and they never ask anything in return except for a few thank you's
Making a big song and dance about some damage on a public forum is only going to make them question whether it is all worth it and does nothing to "promote" the sport but actually endangers it.
No one in the clubs that put on events makes any money out of it and all they expect is for people to be responsible for their own actions.
No club will want to let people with a penchant for threatening legal action or bad publicity any where near their events and who could blame them !!
It costs them a lot of time as well as a lot of money in fuel and parts and would be more than a couple of thousand a year and they never ask anything in return except for a few thank you's
Making a big song and dance about some damage on a public forum is only going to make them question whether it is all worth it and does nothing to "promote" the sport but actually endangers it.
No one in the clubs that put on events makes any money out of it and all they expect is for people to be responsible for their own actions.
No club will want to let people with a penchant for threatening legal action or bad publicity any where near their events and who could blame them !!
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NissanTuff wrote:To the guy in the shorty i seen it all. U thought u where the big man with the winch when all u had 2 do is pull/snatch him up. Every1 else did. There was heaps off trucks in front off u 2 help. SO I THINK U BETTER SHUT UP NOW AND GET BACK IN UR BOX.
i'm going to have to stop reading this as i keep pissing myself laughing what a clown plenty of parts on the bench
Ok i think if Guy doesnt realise that he is in the minority by now then he is never going to. But there is realy no reson to continue having a go at him. I think we all should just leave it be. He was pissed off that by helping someone out it ended up costing him a lot of $$. And no one was offering to help him out with this. So through his frustration he made a big fuss about it here. Obviously this wasnt a great idea. Yes he should have asked the 45series driver he was recovering to cover all costs of damages if any durring the recovery but then again if Guy is like most of us and the 45series driver had said he wouldnt or couldnt pay then he prob would have still tried to help the 45series out as thats just what 4wders do. You never leave someone stranded. Maybe he did get out and make a huge show that he was the better man and had all the right gear for the recovery and new exactly what he was doing. But ive seen the best of them do exactly this and then it all fall appart on them as well. So give him some slack. I really cant see him replying again here so all your comments are really doing no one any good.
Yes i have done my fair share of damages recovering other as i imagine most have with no re-imbersment of these damages. Will i recover others again that i have never met when there is the risk of damage? Absolutly because you just dont leave others stranded.
Yes i have done my fair share of damages recovering other as i imagine most have with no re-imbersment of these damages. Will i recover others again that i have never met when there is the risk of damage? Absolutly because you just dont leave others stranded.
big red wrote:Have a thought for the poor guys who spend many weekends a year out making tracks for the rest of us to enjoy.
It costs them a lot of time as well as a lot of money in fuel and parts and would be more than a couple of thousand a year and they never ask anything in return except for a few thank you's
Making a big song and dance about some damage on a public forum is only going to make them question whether it is all worth it and does nothing to "promote" the sport but actually endangers it.
No one in the clubs that put on events makes any money out of it and all they expect is for people to be responsible for their own actions.
No club will want to let people with a penchant for threatening legal action or bad publicity any where near their events and who could blame them !!
Let sleeping dogs lie.RUFF wrote:Ok i think if Guy doesnt realise that he is in the minority by now then he is never going to. But there is realy no reson to continue having a go at him. I think we all should just leave it be. He was pissed off that by helping someone out it ended up costing him a lot of $$. And no one was offering to help him out with this. So through his frustration he made a big fuss about it here. Obviously this wasnt a great idea. Yes he should have asked the 45series driver he was recovering to cover all costs of damages if any durring the recovery but then again if Guy is like most of us and the 45series driver had said he wouldnt or couldnt pay then he prob would have still tried to help the 45series out as thats just what 4wders do. You never leave someone stranded. Maybe he did get out and make a huge show that he was the better man and had all the right gear for the recovery and new exactly what he was doing. But ive seen the best of them do exactly this and then it all fall appart on them as well. So give him some slack. I really cant see him replying again here so all your comments are really doing no one any good.
Yes i have done my fair share of damages recovering other as i imagine most have with no re-imbersment of these damages. Will i recover others again that i have never met when there is the risk of damage? Absolutly because you just dont leave others stranded.
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