Lockers FRONT or REAR

[Tiny]

All this talk on lockers..WTF?

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

WTF you have 2 front diffs in your rig???

[gotoy]

All this talk on lockers..WTF?

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

WTF you have 2 front diffs in your rig???

WTF, WTF of course I 'had' two front diffs in my rig.

Now I only have 1 cos I weled it together.

[Ruffy]

I have a 60 series that had an LSD (if you can call it that) in the rear. I stumbled across a mac's airlocker and popped it in the rear. Had rear locked for about 2 years and found alot of benefit in the high country type of terrain, steep rutted loosish rutty type stuff. Mud and rocks it did very little as most of the time you have reasonably even traction on the rear wheels.
I lashed out on a front locker and entered the wonderful world of driving things i never thought i could.
The front helps you through those really tough bits, but the rear helps you a little bit everywhere.
The rear may not give you as much benefit but it gives you some benefit much more often.
If i had my time again i'd do the same thing for sure, rear first then front when the dollars come good.
Cheers Dan

[CHIEF88]

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

So when u engage 4wd everytime you turn a corner the inner wheel skids?
How does the uprated steering box overcome that ?

[gotoy]

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

So when u engage 4wd everytime you turn a corner the inner wheel skids?
How does the uprated steering box overcome that ?

Whats it like to drive a rig with a front lsd?

[jimbo jones]

how does one tell if they have rear lsd ? can I tell by looking at it ?

Shameless plug.

I have an LSD (just the centre) for sale and also a richmond lockrite (in 4.88 centre)

another plug I have a richmond lock right rear for an 80 and a TJM pro locker rear for a 80 4 sale pm me if your interested

jimbo

[jungle_surfer]

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

So when u engage 4wd everytime you turn a corner the inner wheel skids?
How does the uprated steering box overcome that ?

Whats it like to drive a rig with a front lsd?

I wouldn't know, tell me, tell me!

I suppose a welded front diff would only lock the wheels if the hubs were locked, so if you have manual locking hubs and you drive them unlocked on the road as you should, a welded front is fine... am I right?

I've got full time 4wd, so a welded front diff is not for me :(

[CHIEF88]

I welded my front diffs together. Best thing I did since the invention of sliced bread. As for steering, just fitted an uprated steering box.

So when u engage 4wd everytime you turn a corner the inner wheel skids?
How does the uprated steering box overcome that ?

Whats it like to drive a rig with a front lsd?

Sooo... doesn't welding them together permanently lock the two wheels turning speeds ? I'm a little confused

[Sic Lux]

Yeah a welded diff is like having a air locker on all the time it'll still want to push straight even if the steering box is upgraded if it isn't a daily driver weld the rear and auto lock or airlock the front or just spend the $ and get 2 airlockers/prolockers and it won't affect the steering at all when just general driving/4wding

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

I can wheel all of my local trails with the front locked and the rear open. I can't wheel any of my local trails with the front open.

I only wheel with the rear locked about 15% of the time.


The car is much more capable in steep technical rocks with the rear open.


To be fair, my local trails are the Hammers in California and my rig isn't exactly stock.

Dave

[gotoy]

I can wheel all of my local trails with the front locked and the rear open. I can't wheel any of my local trails with the front open.

I only wheel with the rear locked about 15% of the time.


The car is much more capable in steep technical rocks with the rear open.


To be fair, my local trails are the Hammers in California and my rig isn't exactly stock.

Dave

Piccy required to be posted for bragging

[batcho101]

i've had both locked front only and locked rear only hilux's and honestly the front works better but i would go the rear first as u get shit loads of places and don't have to worry about cv's... but if u dont mind sittin out in the bush changin cv after cv go the front or front and longs

[d3m0n1c_4b]

i was thinking about going front and rear autos. read up on the auto's and yes they are always locked, but when turning instead of the drive going to the outside wheel and the inside slowing, the drive goes to the inside wheel and the outside speeds up. i've spoken to people that have them in the rear and they said it's a little bit heavier steering, but i think they had power steering as well. i only have mechanical steering, how much more heavier would it be??
also, do the auto's work pretty much just as well as the air lockers?? because you can get 2 auto lockers for like less than the price of one arb air locker.

[diby_2000]

If i were spending the money again i would put a auto locker in the back and when funds allowed a manual locker in the front. I hate having an open rear diff!!!

[Sic Lux]

If i were spending the money again i would put a auto locker in the back and when funds allowed a manual locker in the front. I hate having an open rear diff!!!

meh weld it if it isn't a sliper and if it is use the old bit out of the front that the auto locker replaced CIG is your friend

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

Piccy required to be posted for bragging

Wasn't bragging. Here's a pic from last weekend.

You can also see it in person when come to Aus to defend our championship (ok, that was a little bragging)

[tuf045]

Piccy required to be posted for bragging

Wasn't bragging. Here's a pic from last weekend.

You can also see it in person when come to Aus to defend our championship (ok, that was a little bragging)

you bringing that one or the new one over with you?

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

you bringing that one or the new one over with you?

That's all I have

I was supposed to try a new chassis this year, but when I went to pick it up, I couldn't fit in it LOL

Tore this one down and put a new body on. Still hanging in. The welds that Dave Camp layed down at Cougar Buttes are still holding strong.

d

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

Quick thought for you.

Q. Where do you need a locker MOST?
A. When there is a large traction difference between left and right wheels - cross axled.
They don't do much when traction is similar (mud or sand). They do a bit, but not heads. That's the problem you are trying to fix by locking the diff - getting power distributed. If it's a traction problem that's not a diff issue.

OK -

Q. when are you stuck being cross axled the most?
A. Going uphill. Flat you can roll over, and downhill the car goes anyway.

So you mainly need a locker to go UP and OVER things.

When going UP, the majority of the traction is on the REAR of the car. The front has maybe 30% of the traction. The argument goes "but one front wheel is off the ground". True, but there is no weight on the opposite rear wheel, bounce on the car to see, and presto, that's the one that is spinning.
So which wheel has the MOST traction? The opposite rear wheel, it is the one you need to push you out and up. Pulling with one front wheel ain't going to help that much.

Think on it.

The front locker is good for "lifting" the front wheels over logs, shelves etc.

Paul

[JeepRecoveryTeam]

It all depends what you are wheeling and where.

If you are on a trail with rocks bigger than 3/4 of your tire diameter, the rear will never push the front over them. The front needs to 'climb' them. That won't happen with an open front.

If you are doing smooth... but twisty stuff in an IFS truck, then yes a rear would probably be better.

For me personally, I leave the rear unlocked the majority of the time. It reduces the affect of Torque lift on the chassis and keeps the rear tracking where I want it to.

[gotoy]

The best solution is to fit lockers in both the rear and front.

[dow50r]

80/100 series front...they have a weak diff centre that allows teeth to go missing, locker fixes this up. Part timer, front, no difference to drive on road in 2wd. Traction front, as both front wheels usually stay on the ground, as opposed to the rear unless you have alot of weight up back (more than the motor) Independant front...front...these usually lift front wheels, and its good to have atleast one of them driving assisting the rear axle. If you like doing doeys, rear.

[Sic Lux]

The best solution is to fit lockers in both the rear and front.

finaly someone said it

[Luxisgood]

did someone leave the gate open? the sheep are out again...

Everyone knows front & back is better than one.


This thread and poll was to discuss which was better, front or back -
a valid consideration when you first buy a 4x4 as not everyone earns enough cash to be able to slap them both in on one paycheck.

As a newbie to this site I'm very interested that there is no clear direction of the poll ................ Search is useless cause it just brings up people stating the obvious

[Ruffy]

This thread and poll was to discuss which was better, front or back -a valid consideration when you first buy a 4x4.

As a newbie to this site I'm very interested that there is no clear direction of the poll ................ Search is useless cause it just brings up people stating the obvious

There are very good reasons for this. There is no clear cut answer as there are too many variables. If you rock crawl then question is answered in this thread. If you play in mud your question is answered in this thread, likewise for sand, rutted hills etc etc... if you do a little of everything your answer is not here because there is no answer.
If you are looking for someone to come out with a definetive "Front" or "Back" answer then you'll be listening to the wrong people, there is no clear cut answer.
To put it simply for you (you obviously need it that way)
Rock = front will be most benficial
Mud, sand, snow, rutted slippery hills, high country stuff = Rear.

As i stated. for general wheelin' you'll use your rear far more often, but your front will display bigger benefits, just alot less often.

As for this bit

This was very immature and a bit silly coming from a self confessed newbie looking for advice.

[Luxisgood]

Ruffy,

thanks for the insult - I was flipping the search function, good to see you took it as directed at you.

[gotoy]

Well theres no point to talk about installing lockers in the front or in the rear anymore

INSTALL THE BLOODY LOCKERS IN FRONT & REAR.

[CHIEF88]

Not a bad way to end the thread i guess i think we now all know most prefer both over a single locker but for general wheeling looks like most say rear and then probably the front locker second (however the votes dont lean that way ) ty all for the discussion good to learn new stuff and great advice from all.

cheers Dean.