hey guys i just need some help with some new muddys for the GQ, im running 35x12.5 R15 copper STT's and im really happy with them but find them a little slow in the thick mud. ive been looking at the maxxis, i want to stay away from the mickeys and simex's as mates run them already and i havnt seen much from them. im looking at either the 37x12.5 R17 maxxis trepador competitions or the maxxis crawler 37x14.50-16.
i would just like to see if people have these tyres or know of other tyres that would suit me as i only love the mud and water with some rocky hill climbs now and then.
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cars with alloy bullbars should be shot to the sun.
Personally I think Claws rock on a GQ.
I only have 33's on mine but it gos a lot of other places bigger trucks cant and i put it down to the Tyres.
80's cruiser 6" lift front and rear lockers on BFG muds in a hill climb last sunday Got stuck
I tried the exact same line to try and show off and drove straight through.
I only have 33's on mine but it gos a lot of other places bigger trucks cant and i put it down to the Tyres.
80's cruiser 6" lift front and rear lockers on BFG muds in a hill climb last sunday Got stuck
I tried the exact same line to try and show off and drove straight through.
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Then why dont you try Swampers or Boggers, if you are gonna be illegal on the road why not do it properly??kurzo wrote:they might work some times for some people but the claws dont do it for me ricky, and i want to try something else that we havnt used.
Boggers would be the best mud tyre but they have down sides ie:- cant be driven on road, tend to slide on off cambered muddy slopes....
They sure dont look as pretty but they will be better in the bush
I have nothing but good things to say about the Maxxis Creepies.
The 35's on my jeep have been out in the mud and so far I am very impressed.
I have dual lockers, stupid amounts of flex, and run them at 2-6psi, if that makes any difference. Jeep would only weigh 1700kg or so as well.
Probably close to 150kw at the motor too so I find it very easy to spin them to clear the tread if needed.
I was very worried about how they would go in the mud but so far they have done everything I have asked.
Crawled up steep tracks and climbed out of deep ruts easily because of the huge sidebiters.
There is no denying there rock ability and I believe they would be virtually the best you can get for rock.
I have not put them in really deep mud and/or that thick clay that just covers the whole tread area yet so can't give you advice on that particular area of performance.
They do have extremely deep lugs on the outside with a small bit of tread that is supposed to stop the mud sticking in there.
On a very wet day down here in Vic they handled everything with ease.
Onroad they are absolutely miles ahead of a Simex or swamper.
They are very quiet, and due to the sipes grip very well even in the wet.
My Simex's have all been lethal in the wet onroad, and sound like a plane taking off.
I would guess the Simex or swamper would beat them in the mud when it really got deep and sticky.
I have never been impressed with claws in mud down here so I think they beat them easily.
I think they would beat virtually any other tyre like claws, coopers, etc. on rock.
The sidewalls are very thick and they would compare strength wise to any other bias swamper/simex.
They would be as good or better than anything else on rock.
Onroad is fantastic for a bias ply.
We run 40" stickies on the Firebug and they are very very good on rock.
I know this is a different compound but they are the same tread pattern and I have been very impressed in all competitions so far.
I cannot really fault them so far.
I have had all of the simex's and whilst I love them offroad they really started to annoy me on wet and dry rocks and also on wet tarmac.
I wanted krawlers but they cost too much in comparison.
Swampers were not really an option as there bogger sizes are all bizarre, but was very close to getting 36x12.5 TSL's.
Here is a pic
The 35's on my jeep have been out in the mud and so far I am very impressed.
I have dual lockers, stupid amounts of flex, and run them at 2-6psi, if that makes any difference. Jeep would only weigh 1700kg or so as well.
Probably close to 150kw at the motor too so I find it very easy to spin them to clear the tread if needed.
I was very worried about how they would go in the mud but so far they have done everything I have asked.
Crawled up steep tracks and climbed out of deep ruts easily because of the huge sidebiters.
There is no denying there rock ability and I believe they would be virtually the best you can get for rock.
I have not put them in really deep mud and/or that thick clay that just covers the whole tread area yet so can't give you advice on that particular area of performance.
They do have extremely deep lugs on the outside with a small bit of tread that is supposed to stop the mud sticking in there.
On a very wet day down here in Vic they handled everything with ease.
Onroad they are absolutely miles ahead of a Simex or swamper.
They are very quiet, and due to the sipes grip very well even in the wet.
My Simex's have all been lethal in the wet onroad, and sound like a plane taking off.
I would guess the Simex or swamper would beat them in the mud when it really got deep and sticky.
I have never been impressed with claws in mud down here so I think they beat them easily.
I think they would beat virtually any other tyre like claws, coopers, etc. on rock.
The sidewalls are very thick and they would compare strength wise to any other bias swamper/simex.
They would be as good or better than anything else on rock.
Onroad is fantastic for a bias ply.
We run 40" stickies on the Firebug and they are very very good on rock.
I know this is a different compound but they are the same tread pattern and I have been very impressed in all competitions so far.
I cannot really fault them so far.
I have had all of the simex's and whilst I love them offroad they really started to annoy me on wet and dry rocks and also on wet tarmac.
I wanted krawlers but they cost too much in comparison.
Swampers were not really an option as there bogger sizes are all bizarre, but was very close to getting 36x12.5 TSL's.
Here is a pic
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I too have been impressed by what I have seen of Maxxis' more aggressive tyres (plus we run them on our mountain bikes and they rock 
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Personally, I think claws suck unless you run the fronts backwards and then they are noisy as hell. They won't climb out of ruts anything like a swamper unless the fronts are reversed. (I ran 35's on a 2500kg Gwagen)
However, I have never seen a tyre that is as good all round off road as a swamper, and in 15 years, nothing has changed my mind. I agree though, the lack of a speed rating and noise are downsides.
Steve.
)Personally, I think claws suck unless you run the fronts backwards and then they are noisy as hell. They won't climb out of ruts anything like a swamper unless the fronts are reversed. (I ran 35's on a 2500kg Gwagen)
However, I have never seen a tyre that is as good all round off road as a swamper, and in 15 years, nothing has changed my mind. I agree though, the lack of a speed rating and noise are downsides.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Yeah i run Q78 swampers and can't say anything bad about there performance off Road. The on road characteristics and cost are the only issues.Gwagensteve wrote:However, I have never seen a tyre that is as good all round off road as a swamper, and in 15 years, nothing has changed my mind. I agree though, the lack of a speed rating and noise are downsides.
Steve.
Although i think my next tyres will either be Procomp M/T extremes or silverstones..
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This is a pretty big question.bravo wrote:whats better in mud and dirt
1) A direction tyre like Procomp Xterrains, claws, boggers, Mudzillas and Silverstones
2) Or others like Creepys, simex JT's, Swampers etc
Size, tread depth, compound, tread design, pressure, rim width, vehicle, type of dirt, type of mud and driving style all have an influence here, and it might be far bigger than the effect of whether the tread is directional or not.
X-terrains, creepys, mudzillas, and to a certain extent claws just weren't designed to do the same job as boggers or swampers- they are designed to be more versatile than a bogger or swamper.
Simex's are really designed as a comp tyre first and foremost. some people like them, they're not my cup of tea.
IMHO X-terrains are an overrated all terrain tyre, but in WA, they might be the business.
I ran my claws backwards on the front of my car (an old unimog trick) and only then did they work the way I expected them too. Others say this is insane and people who do this are stupid and don't know what they are talking about.
Really, you will have to look at the people that drive the same terrain as you prefer and make your choice from there.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Is there much differance between the 33" and 35" claws ?Gwagensteve wrote: Personally, I think claws suck unless you run the fronts backwards and then they are noisy as hell. They won't climb out of ruts anything like a swamper unless the fronts are reversed. Steve.
Only reason I ask is I have 33" claws on the GQ and think they get out of ruts pretty well.
Might have to look at swampers for the next set.
Nick
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No, they both measure well under what's on the sidewall 
I dunno - I guess that will all that groovy sidewall gear I thought they would work better than they did - they just seemed to fall of ruts and generally not hook up like my Q78's
Once I spun the fronts around they were much better at getting out of ruts and held on better.
They got known as "the tyres I loved to hate" Guys in the club had never seen my car stuck until I ran them
THey were very good in deep snow though.
I went to 36 12.5 SX's after the claws, but really, I prefer the Q78 Swampers over anything I have run.
I have never heard anyone bag swampers off road in any condition except when they bought bald ones and wondered why they didn't hook up.
I know people who bought other stuff after swampers and they tend to say ...well they're not as good as my swampers were in the bush but they're better on the road...
I've run swampers on road for years, never balanced, and I've never understood what the fuss was about - yep, they're noisy and vauge - what do you expect? (kinda like me)
Steve.
I dunno - I guess that will all that groovy sidewall gear I thought they would work better than they did - they just seemed to fall of ruts and generally not hook up like my Q78's
Once I spun the fronts around they were much better at getting out of ruts and held on better.
They got known as "the tyres I loved to hate" Guys in the club had never seen my car stuck until I ran them
THey were very good in deep snow though.
I went to 36 12.5 SX's after the claws, but really, I prefer the Q78 Swampers over anything I have run.
I have never heard anyone bag swampers off road in any condition except when they bought bald ones and wondered why they didn't hook up.
I know people who bought other stuff after swampers and they tend to say ...well they're not as good as my swampers were in the bush but they're better on the road...
I've run swampers on road for years, never balanced, and I've never understood what the fuss was about - yep, they're noisy and vauge - what do you expect? (kinda like me
)Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Those claws were not exactly teaming with tread also signifiganty shorter then you q78's .. the claws 35x12.5's were more like a 32.8x12.5Gwagensteve wrote: I have never heard anyone bag swampers off road in any condition except when they bought bald ones and wondered why they didn't hook up.
Steve.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
True, except the claws had the same tread depth as my Q78's when I took them off, so I neatly avoided the problem of pulling off bald tyres and fitting new ones and saying "wow, these new tyres are heaps better"- it should have been a fair comparison.
In any case, it wasn't forward grip I was disappointed in, it was drivability on technical stuff where the lugs/sidewall were doing all the work.
I don't believe that a directional tyre gives the best results when set up for drive (facing forward) when used on as a steer tyre.
Both tyres had about 10mm of tread depth in the centre. when I swapped. At the lugs/sidelwalls, the claws were in better shape than the swampers.
Yes the claws were shorter (and shorter than claimed), but that is weakness too - if I want to buy a 35 I shouldn't have to pay for a 37 to get one. (this is the case with some swampers too but nat all.
Steve.
In any case, it wasn't forward grip I was disappointed in, it was drivability on technical stuff where the lugs/sidewall were doing all the work.
I don't believe that a directional tyre gives the best results when set up for drive (facing forward) when used on as a steer tyre.
Both tyres had about 10mm of tread depth in the centre. when I swapped. At the lugs/sidelwalls, the claws were in better shape than the swampers.
Yes the claws were shorter (and shorter than claimed), but that is weakness too - if I want to buy a 35 I shouldn't have to pay for a 37 to get one. (this is the case with some swampers too but nat all.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
My 33 swampers half worn were taller than the 35 claws I replaced em withGwagensteve wrote:True, except the claws had the same tread depth as my Q78's when I took them off, so I neatly avoided the problem of pulling off bald tyres and fitting new ones and saying "wow, these new tyres are heaps better"- it should have been a fair comparison.
In any case, it wasn't forward grip I was disappointed in, it was drivability on technical stuff where the lugs/sidewall were doing all the work.
I don't believe that a directional tyre gives the best results when set up for drive (facing forward) when used on as a steer tyre.
Both tyres had about 10mm of tread depth in the centre. when I swapped. At the lugs/sidelwalls, the claws were in better shape than the swampers.
Yes the claws were shorter (and shorter than claimed), but that is weakness too - if I want to buy a 35 I shouldn't have to pay for a 37 to get one. (this is the case with some swampers too but nat all.
Steve.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
They are not speed rated under the ADR system, so they are illegal for a car with an ADR tyre placard.
they are legal in cars pre 1973 though
The tyres themselves are fine at speed as they are DOT E4 rated under the US system which I understand to equate to 140kph speed rating.
I am aware of a TOG policeman who gave a verbal warning to the driver of a car with swampers on it that "he didn't want to see them on the road again" but as the car had a few other legal issues that the cop didn't pick such as bolted beadlocks and no cert for the engine conversion etc, it wasn't a big deal in the end.
I have no problem with swampers on road but haven't really driven on anything else on a 4WD for years so I'm not in a position to judge.
They are quieter than simex though, although this will be a bit size dependent.
Steve.
they are legal in cars pre 1973 though
The tyres themselves are fine at speed as they are DOT E4 rated under the US system which I understand to equate to 140kph speed rating.
I am aware of a TOG policeman who gave a verbal warning to the driver of a car with swampers on it that "he didn't want to see them on the road again" but as the car had a few other legal issues that the cop didn't pick such as bolted beadlocks and no cert for the engine conversion etc, it wasn't a big deal in the end.
I have no problem with swampers on road but haven't really driven on anything else on a 4WD for years so I'm not in a position to judge.
They are quieter than simex though, although this will be a bit size dependent.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
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