Hi im going to be getting a 4x4 In the next 12 months.... a used one anyway Im not sure If I should be going for a Pajero or Land cruiser... from what ive seen with my friends land cruisers are heaps better of road but drive like semi trucks.... is this really what there like?
Main reason I was thinking of Landcruiser is because they have some decent suspension in them compared to pajeros
my budget will be $10,000-$15,000 AUD
Any help would be appreciated
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What 4x4 should I get?
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Infact Just curious what would you guys have to say about a car like this one
Vehicle 1985 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER FJ62
Price $6,750 *
Kilometres 336,350
Body 4 door 6 seat WAGON
Colour White
Transmission 5 speed Manual
Drive type 4X4
Engine 6 cylinder Petrol Carburettor 4.0L (3955cc)
What you think would a old land cruiser be alright if you were to do up lift kit and all? oh and do you guys know If you can get ARB air lockers on a 1985 model sort of range? Whats the benefit apart form comfort from a 1985 model to say a 1990 model?
Vehicle 1985 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER FJ62
Price $6,750 *
Kilometres 336,350
Body 4 door 6 seat WAGON
Colour White
Transmission 5 speed Manual
Drive type 4X4
Engine 6 cylinder Petrol Carburettor 4.0L (3955cc)
What you think would a old land cruiser be alright if you were to do up lift kit and all? oh and do you guys know If you can get ARB air lockers on a 1985 model sort of range? Whats the benefit apart form comfort from a 1985 model to say a 1990 model?
Last edited by striker99 on Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:57 pm, edited 3 times in total.
If you want 6" of lift, forget a Pajero.
4" is doable if you do both 2" body lift and 2" suspension lift, but I'm not sure that's what you're after.
The 60 series cruiser is a rugged and capable truck, but they are getting old. Leaf spring suspension can be made to ride comfortable and flex well, but you need somebody who KNOWS what they're doing. There are plenty of people out there with this knowledge, but there's also plenty with NFI who will happily sell you a expensive "kit" which may be next to worthless.
I'm no expert, but I believe the old 4.0 straight six petrol engine is a bit of a slug.
A 1990 model should be 80 series? Chalk and cheese. Long travel coil suspension as standard, incomparably better petrol motor. Still truck like when compared with a Pajero, but once you're off-road that's not really an issue.
Having said that, my brother has a diesel 80 series which he uses for touring, and I believe my Pajero will go more places more easily than his - because mine is more extensively modified.
It comes down to use. You're already talking some reasonably serious modifications before you've chosen a vehicle. If all you want to do is go touring, a Paj with those mods (lockers, lift and tyres) will take you anywhere you want to go - and you'll probably enjoy the bitumen a little more.
If your intention is primarily to "play" on weekends, and your friends are OL types, the 'Cruiser is your best bet. On just about any other 4wd forum in Australia, they tend to classify tracks according to stock vehicles; OL tracks are classified for OL vehicles. I back my Paj to travel any "hard" track on most other forums - because most of them wouldn't be considered "medium" to OL members.
Cheers,
Scott
4" is doable if you do both 2" body lift and 2" suspension lift, but I'm not sure that's what you're after.
The 60 series cruiser is a rugged and capable truck, but they are getting old. Leaf spring suspension can be made to ride comfortable and flex well, but you need somebody who KNOWS what they're doing. There are plenty of people out there with this knowledge, but there's also plenty with NFI who will happily sell you a expensive "kit" which may be next to worthless.
I'm no expert, but I believe the old 4.0 straight six petrol engine is a bit of a slug.
A 1990 model should be 80 series? Chalk and cheese. Long travel coil suspension as standard, incomparably better petrol motor. Still truck like when compared with a Pajero, but once you're off-road that's not really an issue.
Having said that, my brother has a diesel 80 series which he uses for touring, and I believe my Pajero will go more places more easily than his - because mine is more extensively modified.
It comes down to use. You're already talking some reasonably serious modifications before you've chosen a vehicle. If all you want to do is go touring, a Paj with those mods (lockers, lift and tyres) will take you anywhere you want to go - and you'll probably enjoy the bitumen a little more.
If your intention is primarily to "play" on weekends, and your friends are OL types, the 'Cruiser is your best bet. On just about any other 4wd forum in Australia, they tend to classify tracks according to stock vehicles; OL tracks are classified for OL vehicles. I back my Paj to travel any "hard" track on most other forums - because most of them wouldn't be considered "medium" to OL members.
Cheers,
Scott
2 dear for a petrol is my guess
I've got a 87 HJ61 great 4b with a 12HT in it
ARB diff lock 2 inch bodylift 2 inch suspension
New ARB bar suited for bodylift
Safari Snorkel
Excellant codition
Rebuilt gearbox & transfer
32inch BFG & 35inch Claws
i reakon I would get between $10000 & $12000 for it
If you get a 60 in excellant condition you wont go to far wrong only draw back is leaves instead of coils
Cheers Dan
I've got a 87 HJ61 great 4b with a 12HT in it
ARB diff lock 2 inch bodylift 2 inch suspension
New ARB bar suited for bodylift
Safari Snorkel
Excellant codition
Rebuilt gearbox & transfer
32inch BFG & 35inch Claws
i reakon I would get between $10000 & $12000 for it
If you get a 60 in excellant condition you wont go to far wrong only draw back is leaves instead of coils
Cheers Dan
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Had been looking at patrol we have alook closer to buying. Will see which one is cheaper for the buck 
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180litre tank???? sweet..... is that standard on 80 series then? cause that sounds like a good point on it lolzagan wrote:Get a turbo Diesel anything.
Patrol has 80-100litre tank
Land Cruiser has 180litre tank
After I've paid my 4x4 I'm after a land cruiser myself was going to be a prado but they are smaller than the Tarrano I have now.
GQ patrol VS 80's LCruiser.
Both top two on my list, if i was touring flat out id go the 80's, better interior and more room, i still reckon the GQ is stronger and near bullet proof but the interior is shitful and tiny, you are cramped. but because they are so capable and good to drive you get over it.
drivelines are very similar in strenght and maintenance costs etc.
just need to work out what you want to do with it and go from there id say. i reckon they would both do your needs.
Cheers
Both top two on my list, if i was touring flat out id go the 80's, better interior and more room, i still reckon the GQ is stronger and near bullet proof but the interior is shitful and tiny, you are cramped. but because they are so capable and good to drive you get over it.
drivelines are very similar in strenght and maintenance costs etc.
just need to work out what you want to do with it and go from there id say. i reckon they would both do your needs.
Cheers
just remember that is more than likely going to be an illegal mod in QLD. have alook at all the threads about legality and QLD on here.striker99 wrote:offroad I would be wanting to put a 4-6" lift kit on it and a few other bits and peaces later on
Having said that go for a GQ I reckon, you can get one usually a bit cheaper than an 80 Series and they have proved themselves to be very tough capable vehicles.
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Yes... I have been investigating the legality of lift kits...grimbo wrote:just remember that is more than likely going to be an illegal mod in QLD. have alook at all the threads about legality and QLD on here.striker99 wrote:offroad I would be wanting to put a 4-6" lift kit on it and a few other bits and peaces later on
Having said that go for a GQ I reckon, you can get one usually a bit cheaper than an 80 Series and they have proved themselves to be very tough capable vehicles.
striker, you really gotta let everyone know what type of wheeling your gonna do.
if your gonna go a bit harder than most, id be going for a gq, or an 80, but upgrade the toyota diffs.
i had a 60 sereis toyota(89 model) 12ht , and i compleatly killed it mate, im now looking for ether a gq ute, or a 45 ute 1970s and early 80s ute.
what size tyres would you eventualy want to run??
my advice to you, from my own experiance, if you are going to drive the car daily, dont go doing anything to excessive, as mine spent alot of time getting fixed, and once spent two weeks, 150 ks away from my house. also, i had a wagon, so there were no quater pannels left, and alota dents,
so, if you want a wagon, make sure that it is set up correctly for what you want, and that you learn to drive, better than i did lol....
if its going to be a week end toy, id recomend a ute.
if your gonna go a bit harder than most, id be going for a gq, or an 80, but upgrade the toyota diffs.
i had a 60 sereis toyota(89 model) 12ht , and i compleatly killed it mate, im now looking for ether a gq ute, or a 45 ute 1970s and early 80s ute.
what size tyres would you eventualy want to run??
my advice to you, from my own experiance, if you are going to drive the car daily, dont go doing anything to excessive, as mine spent alot of time getting fixed, and once spent two weeks, 150 ks away from my house. also, i had a wagon, so there were no quater pannels left, and alota dents,
so, if you want a wagon, make sure that it is set up correctly for what you want, and that you learn to drive, better than i did lol....
if its going to be a week end toy, id recomend a ute.
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offroading is a pretty open term... do you mean hard core, comps, fire trails, beach runs, etc... do you mean touring aussie, with a family in it, towing a trailer... or a daily driver with 3-4 trips offroad each yr...striker99 wrote:offroad
its pretty much a question that needs lots of info, to get a better answer. some cars are better suilted than others for different types of wheeling...
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