Alpine fuel and snow conditions.

Post by **buddha** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:45 pm

I know all the talk about alpine fuel in the snow and that but if you just fill up on normal diesel, how much of a problem can freezing fuel be.
How long would it take, going up to snow on friday for the day so truck will only be sitting for max 5-6 hours.
Should i play it safe and get 1/2 a tank full?

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:18 pm

I have had it happen on a very cold night in the snow near the airstrip on the howitt high plains. it was a baitch to get started the next morning.

Steve.

Post by **T_Diesel** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:33 pm

buddha wrote:I know all the talk about alpine fuel in the snow and that but if you just fill up on normal diesel, how much of a problem can freezing fuel be.
How long would it take, going up to snow on friday for the day so truck will only be sitting for max 5-6 hours.
Should i play it safe and get 1/2 a tank full?

I've seen a number of diesels freeze even at low altitudes in the high country on cold nights. The only fix is a tow down the mountain to a warmer place. May also involve pumping out the fuel line and bleeding the injectors which can be expensive.

If I were you for the sake of a few extra bucks out of your sky rocket, I would be leaving home on 1/2 a tank and then putting as much fuel in your tank as possible when you get to the alpine area to increase the concentrate of anti freeze in your fuel tank.

A lot of places in the high country only offer fuel as a service and make no money on it at all either . If you don't support these places one day when you want to go there, they might not be there anymore.

Post by **Nelso** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:43 pm

I've parked at Perisher in the morning, skied for 6 hours and came back to frozen fuel lines, and the temp wasn't as cold as it is at the moment. Put some Chem-Tech in or top up with a bit of alpine fuel. It will be better than the alternative.

Post by **wrksux** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:47 pm

Boiling water over the fuel pump and injectors, then a smallish kero fire under the fuel tank and car will get er goin again. this isnt recomended do at your own peril.

this is what we did in colorado when it gets bloody cold

Post by **rezpkt** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:30 pm

going to snow first time with mine this weekend and will be parked for alteast 10hrs?
Any other tips please keep them coming..

Post by **Ruffy** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:50 pm

rezpkt wrote:going to snow first time with mine this weekend and will be parked for alteast 10hrs?
Any other tips please keep them coming..

Alpine diesel.
Don't put your handbrake on, shoes can freeze to the drum. (even with a shiat 80 handbrake!)
Leave your wipers up so they don't freeze to your windscreen.
make sure your battery is tip top.
Pack warm water proof clothing.
Gum boots will keep your feet dry but freeze your toes off, Don't use them.

Post by **ORSM4B** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:54 pm

Mate for a few extra cents per litre l would use it.

At the end of the day tight arses always get bitten...

Post by **pongo** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:01 pm

can run 10% ulp to stop it gelling.

will be fine and go a bit better too

Post by **Zute** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:18 pm

Budda, You might already be useing it. Check where you fill up.
Do you ski or snow board ?

Post by **j-top paj** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:39 am

pongo wrote:can run 10% ulp to stop it gelling.

will be fine and go a bit better too

depends on the engine he is running but.
if its old school then yeh is should be fine but if its a modern deisel then i wouldnt risk it.

Post by **j-top paj** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:41 am

there are additives that can change the fuel so it wont freeze up and give you dramas.
diesel power is oneof them i think.
i used to run it all the time in the paj when it was a DD and it helped a bi. only went down to the snow once in it and didnt have any dramas at all.

Post by **buddha** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:38 am

Zute wrote:Budda, You might already be useing it. Check where you fill up.
Do you ski or snow board ?

toboggan

Post by **buddha** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:39 am

hahaah zute,

just taking the kids up for the day, but ill take sking over boarding anyday, got sick of feeling my kneew trying to rip outa my body.

Post by **bazzle** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:26 pm

10% metho in washers

Fresh antifreeze in engine rad system

Alpine diesel at bottom of mountain.

Dont put wipers up anymore, vandals and snow blowers damage them

Bazzle

Post by **j-top paj** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:28 pm

bazzle wrote:
Dont put wipers up anymore, vandals and snow blowers damage them

Bazzle

heard somewhere that you can stick a plastic bag over them instead?
i dont know how well this would work but

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:44 pm

Pour kerosene into the tank.

Post by **Zute** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:04 am

KiwiBacon, is on the money I think. Alpine fuel is surpose to just have a higher percentage of kero. But I think You'll find most ACT servo's will be selling Alpine fuel.
I ski and board, only just started boarding as I cant find any good skiers, so Im trying something new.
Got the flu at the moment.

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:24 am

just buy Alpine diesel it is easier, it is safer and in thhe long run not much more expensive and will work. All these other alternatives are just stop gaps and why not just be safe and nbuy the stuff that does work

Post by **The_Wazza** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:47 am

Get Pro-Ma's Performance products -- DT5 Diesel Treatment--

I've been using it for 10 years (also a distributor for them).
As well as being an excellent cleaner etc, it'll also prevent the waxing of the fuel and gets rid of any water in you fuel system.

The 1 litre of diesel treatment will treat 1000 litres of fuel. rrp $29.70

The link below will give you more info and look in the Performance Products section:

http://www.pro-masystems.com.au

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:44 pm

grimbo wrote:just buy Alpine diesel it is easier, it is safer and in thhe long run not much more expensive and will work. All these other alternatives are just stop gaps and why not just be safe and nbuy the stuff that does work

Actually several of these "alternatives" are the real thing.

Trying to buy a tank of winter diesel when you've already got 3/4 of a tank of summer diesel can pose a problem. Adding kerosine is the simple and correct solution.

Post by **bazzle** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:24 am

j-top paj wrote:
bazzle wrote:
Dont put wipers up anymore, vandals and snow blowers damage them

Bazzle
heard somewhere that you can stick a plastic bag over them instead?
i dont know how well this would work but

Save the ones for rear wipers from carwashes, will work ok.

Bazzle

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