G'day.
I have a 1982 HJ60 four speed with a fairey overdrive. The overdrive is great for those "in-between" gears on long hills when 3rd wont pull and 2nd feels like it's screaming (remember this is a good ol' 2H we're talking about ). I'd like to rig something up on the gear stick similar to what is used in trucks, to be able to change both the box and the fairey at the same time, or just the fairey. At present a lever pushed forward engages overdrive, pulled out disengages. My question is, does anyone out there have any suggestions how this could be done reliably (and cheaply......)?
Thanks.
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Fairey Overdrive question
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the overdrive is synchromesh on both gears, it can be shifted at the same time as the transmission if you want, you just have to flick both sticks. the best way to use it is to make in-between changes, so going up gears you go: 1,2,3,3+,4,4+, the only 'trick' change is 3+ to 4 where you have to disengage the OD and change 3-4 on the gearbox, but on flat ground, just flick the OD on when you get to 3rd, then shift 3+ straight to 4+.
not really sure what you're asking, do you want like an electric shift on the gear stick for the OD so you don't have to grab 2 levers? it could be done, but you could do it either cheap or reliable, not both.
cheers
DD
not really sure what you're asking, do you want like an electric shift on the gear stick for the OD so you don't have to grab 2 levers? it could be done, but you could do it either cheap or reliable, not both.
cheers
DD
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you don't have to do it two handed - you can change one then the other with one hand, order shouldn't matter.granite wrote:G'day DD
Basically I'm trying to avoid two handed gear changes in the hills - apart from being unsafe, too many revs are lost. Would be keen to hear your ideas for reliable and for cheap.
Cheers.
reliable: you could set up an air shift - you'd need a compressor, a tank, a couple of air solenoid valves, and a suitable actuator, plus the necessary lines and joiners, some experimenting with brackets etc. from memory the sheft rail sticks out the back?? of the transfer - brackets shouldn't be too hard. electric or indeed direct air controls on the gear stick. air controls probably more reliable and negate the need for the solenoid valves. probably looking down the barrel of around $1000. it would probably even be possible to set this up with a switch on the clutch so you could preselect the overdrive change - set up a switch that is only operated when the clutch is fully depressed, so say you're in third and you want to shift up to third overdrive, you flick your switch on the gear stick first, then when you're ready to make the change, clutch in, the magic air stuff does it's business, clutch out and you're changed. you can do another shift on the gearbox itself at the same time.
cheap: couple of starter motor solenoids set up in a booty fab push/pull fashion, with a two-way switch on the gear stick. could probably be made reliable by someone with suitable fab skills. you can buy specific servo solenoids for that sort of thing too but they are quite expensive. this method could also be set up to preselect but I suspect it would be hard to 'tune' - solenoid engagement might be a bit harsh. with the air, you can regulate your actuating pressure up or down to make it faster or smoother.
something for you to work with anyway. Personally Id have a crack at super cheap and try and get some soleoids form the wreckers to play with, and start working on a wiring diagram. preselection would be
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DD - wow! Thanks for that. Mind numbing stuff - do like your preselection idea, very Even your supercheap idea was way ahead of my initial nut scratching. I was thinking along the lines of using a spring to put a pre-load on the shaft rail that would pull it out of overdrive. Then running a cable and inner (not sure what they're called, but like a bike brake cable) to pull the overdrive in and have a lock or twist nob up on the gear stick to keep it there. Release to allow the spring to pull it out of overdrive. Too simplistic? Not a snowballs chance? What do you think? Mind you your ideas have me thinking.......
Thanks again. Cheers.
Thanks again. Cheers.
a spring setup will be difficult to tune and get it working smoothly, either it will pull to fast ans graunch the gears, or pull too slow and not engage or take too long - also might go out of tune if the string stretches or the cable starts to snag or you get a lot fo mud underneath - I would be possible but could be fiddly, and would still be completely manual in one direction and only semi-automatic in the other direction.granite wrote:DD - wow! Thanks for that. Mind numbing stuff - do like your preselection idea, very Even your supercheap idea was way ahead of my initial nut scratching. I was thinking along the lines of using a spring to put a pre-load on the shaft rail that would pull it out of overdrive. Then running a cable and inner (not sure what they're called, but like a bike brake cable) to pull the overdrive in and have a lock or twist nob up on the gear stick to keep it there. Release to allow the spring to pull it out of overdrive. Too simplistic? Not a snowballs chance? What do you think? Mind you your ideas have me thinking.......
Thanks again. Cheers.
good luck with it!
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