Ateco Warn Challenge

[babymav]

We went yesterday (sunday) as well, found it ok but i thought they would have learnt from last year about there not being enough food/drink stands. When we arrived we weren't hungry just wanted a can of soft drink but had to line up for about half an hour by the time i was served i was hungry so we got food as well. Def not enough winching yesterday, normally the sunday is all about winching up the rocky gully and so on but the only winching i saw was out of bog holes?

Also we wanted to drive down to the next car park (for 4x4's), the official said we could but then told us to let our tyres down to 20 pounds we sooooo couldn't be bothered so we managed to get a lift down with another patrol, he was running his tyres on about 25 and there wasn't even need for that. Anywhoo the dash for cash was pretty fun to watch, got roostered with mud heaps but was good fun.

Hopefully next yr a few more food stands and a bit more winching (like previous years)

[RoldIT]

Here is 250 odd photos a mate took from Saturday.

http://picasaweb.google.com/hd10.photo/ ... llenge2007

[tbgq]

WELL DONE Pete and Shiloh, Well driven mate. Shiloh, sounds like all your hard work was done by sunday. I hope your were a good passenger and kept pete working hard on the wheel.
CONGRATS AGAIN
Troyboy

[DK]

A short vid from Saturday...still have to go through my pics and vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udWWG8ti5w

[shakes]

There was a very large winch hill scheduled for Sunday but the time needed to scale it was underestimated and needed to be changed early event due to the 2 tracks running at the same time and delays would have been much worse than they were.

I've been a marshall for this event for the last 4 years and unfortunately there are always unforseen issues that need to be resolved at the last minute.

We as spectators can deal with this, BUT let us know on the gate, keep the crowd informed. At the Ozrock at Lara Cheezy was on the mic all day letting everyone know what car's were running what basic thing's have been done a lil history of the car etc and LOTS of sponsors plugs, yes it did get repetative but it also gave you something to listen to while there was nothing to watch

Before you judge too harshly, bare in mind that the people involved in running this event both on the day and many months before, have given massive amounts of their time, for free, to try and bring you a great show. What's their time worth?

I'm sure there wasnt a person that went that didnt understand and appreciate the time taken to put an event on like this I've had a hand in organising and marshalling at national mountain bike events so I know exactly whats involved

Would you prefer everyone just gave up trying and didn't bother to organise it again next year? How about if no one bothered at all, and you had no 4x4 events in Australia to keep you entertained?

It's a cliche but it's true, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB, STEP UP AND OFFER YOUR SERVICES. PROVE YOU ARE NOT JUST ALL WEB WHEELERS AND GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY!!!

It's response's like this that will result in the greater majority (spectators vs organisers) giving shit rather than constructive critcism which is ALL that I have read about this event so far.
Just slightly disgruntled spectators such as myself who are giving their 2c to help further the weekend and make it more enjoyable for all. As soon as we get response's that are written very arrogantly and defensively like a couple now then it open's the floodways so to speak.

[nathan114]

Would anyone have the final placings & their points scores for all the competitors?
It would greatly appreciated if someone could post.

Cheers.

[grimbo]

Also we wanted to drive down to the next car park (for 4x4's), the official said we could but then told us to let our tyres down to 20 pounds we sooooo couldn't be bothered so we managed to get a lift down with another patrol, he was running his tyres on about 25 and there wasn't even need for that.

letting the tyres down helps alleviate damage to the property. If everyone did it it would save the owners from having to repair damage to their property. What is so hard about following a simple instruction to air down the tyres if it means the owner is happy to use the property next year. This sort of "can't be bothered" attitude is multiplied ten fold when everyone has it it.

[babymav]

OK sooooooooooooooooooooo wasn't asking to hacked on yet again, but i didn't say we drove down on hard tyres i'm not an idiot i know exactly why you let down tyres, just said we couldn't be bothered.... a top bloke saw us standing in the line for the troppies and asked if we wanted a lift down. In the patrol on the way down i mentioned they asked us to drop them to 20 pds he was told to drop his to 25 pds.

Anyway we parked in the 2wd carpark, reason we couldn't be bothered was coz 1. we didn't have a pressure gauge, 2. we didn't have a compressor. Reason we didn't was coz the last two years we haven't been asked to let tyres down just been sent straight down.

Didn't bother us anyway, the troopy guys on the way back out were awesome and got the job done quickly!

[moose]

also grimbo , it was a 2wheel drive track , no cross paddock or anything !!

[80rangie]

I would like to offer a few details from an organisers point of view.

Firstly thank you to all those that take the time to post an opinion. All the feedback is appreciated and is required for an event like this to evolve and grow.

We tried something different by having scrutineering in Warragul during friday. This had it's problems but overall seemed to generate some interest in the event.

Friday night and Saturday had issues but again seemed to go well overall, although both ran overtime. I believe the competitors enjoyed the tracks and challenges.

When designing tracks there is a very fine line between too easy, challenging and too bloody hard. We obviously try for tracks that are challenging can be managed in a reasonable time. This would be easy if we new 3mths ago exactly what the weather would be, how each stage would deteriorate over the the event and which cars would break something and take an hour to be recovered off the stage. (Unlike circuit racing we can't just push them aside and recover them later on a tray)

Sunday was a different matter. I couldn't possibly list all the discussions and decisions that went on during Sunday. We had planned for 4 stages on sunday plus the SSS dash for cash. If the event had been as dry as the last few this plan would have gone ahead and you would have seen an event much the same as every other year.

The difference would have been the side by side racing on stage 11 & 12. This is something that we were trying to make it a bit more exciting for the spectators (believe it or not some people don't like to see car after car draging themselves up cliffs for minutes at a time).

Because of the conditions this plan was never going to work. Decisions had to be made and plans had to change. We chose to keep the 2 car racing (which most drivers seemed to enjoy) and drop the bush stages which have limited spectating opportunities. This meant that tracks had to be quickly reset and lead to some of the delay.

When we saw that we were going to finish early we decided to run the dash for cash as this was the best option for providing spectator action asap. Many other options were considered but when you have about 5 different interest groups that have to be happy with your decision it is a very difficult decision to make.

Now on Monday with 20/20 hindsight I can see what I need to do to run the event perfectly (if you have a spare time machine pm me).

What we do is a balancing act trying to please all the people and you know how often that happens. I would like to think that most of the time we do ok but sunday was a very difficult day

I would like to thank all the volunteers who put in so much time to make this event happen, many of whom spend 100's of dollars of their own money in petrol and other expenses organise an event where they get to work for the weekend (There is so much glory in cleaning toilets and parking cars) We were down on volunteer numbers this year and many of them didn't get to see any racing at all!

Since Jason was mentioned above I would like to say that I was very grateful for his efforts over the weekend. He may not be all things to all people but did a great job under very trying conditions.

Without volunteers there would be no event.

Without competitors there would be event.

Without spectators the event would have no future.

Without sponsors the event would cost so much to compete in or spectate at that no-one would.

Without a property to run at there would be no event.

Without the cooperation of the Local council and other associated red tape producers we couldn't run the event.

But today is Monday, the Ateco for 2007 has been run and won (Congratulations to Peter and Shiloh on a great weekends driving) Hopefully we can learn a little more from this year (as we do every year)
and 2008 will be a bigger and better event.

Any questions?

Glen Patrick, Event Director.

Ps. Anyone who wants to organise/volunteer next year I might pay my $15.

[babymav]

80rangie, thanks for that feedback.

I will be returning next year, i didn't find yesterday disappointing, there was still plenty of action and the dash for cash i reckon got a pretty good response from the crowd. Everyone was laughing and i heard many many whoaaaa's and ohhhhhhhh's. those guys went nuts! i thought it was good besides the massive wait at the food van and not knowing the options we had with parking before coming to the event.

Maybe someone could post a suggestion board in here somewhere (or on the ateco website) for things that could be improved on and so on? No harsh comments or arguing just a place where people from a spectating point of view could suggest some ideas for next year? (this may have already been done??)

[krimnl]

Anywhoo the dash for cash was pretty fun to watch, got roostered with mud heaps but was good fun.

sorry about the mud

After the points side of the event had finished , we tried to give the spectators a bit of a show with the dash for cash and then some sponsor runs in cars. From the feedback i got a lot of the spectators enjoyed the 'play' at the end of the day.

[krimnl]

80rangie, thanks for that feedback.

I will be returning next year, i didn't find yesterday disappointing, there was still plenty of action and the dash for cash i reckon got a pretty good response from the crowd. Everyone was laughing and i heard many many whoaaaa's and ohhhhhhhh's. those guys went nuts! i thought it was good besides the massive wait at the food van and not knowing the options we had with parking before coming to the event.

Maybe someone could post a suggestion board in here somewhere (or on the ateco website) for things that could be improved on and so on? No harsh comments or arguing just a place where people from a spectating point of view could suggest some ideas for next year? (this may have already been done??)

this can be done for all events , just put pen to paper or type up a email and send it to the CCDA , contact details are on the CCDA website.

[babymav]

krimnl, most definately enjoyed it and the people all around me were enjoying it too! you guys went flat knack

[georgethatsme]

Hey! So Im in the states and I cant find ANY results!!!

Obviously Hoon won... was there a trophy class for series round 2???

WHAT HAPPENED TO TRUCK 32?????
Any roll overs?
Whats this about the tree almost falling on someone?

anything exciting! Im actually dying for some info here!!!

Hope it wasnt as bad as everyone says, jonesy tried his best Im sure, and theres always room for improvement!

[grimbo]

also grimbo , it was a 2wheel drive track , no cross paddock or anything !!

Yeah but it still stands to reason the request was there for the good of keeping the owner on sie for future events. it is not an unreasonable request to ensure that no damage is done to his property

[mikmav]

I went saturday and took my own food, so I didn't experience the delays there.. so I had a great time. My main suggestion would be to provide the spectators with a little more info about what SS's are going when. We had no idea where to go when we arrived, but soon got sorted after talking to a few marshals etc.

Some info about who's driving what cars / car specs and their numbers, a rough schedule of what groups are on what tracks when, all this would help a lot in keeping spectators in the know about whats going on. I know schedules are hard as its difficult to know how long stages will take, but even the order would do.

I've organised other types of large events, (1000 geeks playing games in a hall, sponsors, transport, comps, truck loads of equipment to setup etc) so I know how hard it can be. In general I'd say it was pretty good, but every event always has room for improvement, but thats difficult without a lot of people commited to enthusiastically helping out.

[suzuki boy]

Anyone see that 60series with about 14inches of lift parked down the bottom today? Massive...

Had about 3 bodyblocks stacked on top of each other for body lift, and massive coils also..

YUeah i saw it there and it over took us on the high way!

That would be an easy car to drive and would be very stable on road!

nath, thats from melton thats the 1 i was telling ya about.

Thought it might be when we goin out with him!

[vanzbrown]

Yeah, some specs on that cruiser would be good... Oh, and some bog on the roof line.. ha!

Next year, perhaps need to have a stand just selling drinks, even just out of drums of ice... Quick and easy, as i was the same, at some point just wanted a drink, but didnt want to wait in line for ages behind all the people getting food.

Also, the red shorty patrol with the Portals under it was interesting... Definatley the first one ive seen like that.

[suzuki boy]

Deffinatlt wasn't as good as other years!

Was pretty good when it was going but when they were having managment problems listening to the uhf was funny as!

Thought i might have seen a winch come out! But i didn't!

The big rock hill was all there on it's lonesum with people sitting on it! Has to be brought back for next year!

Was talking to some guys in the morning when we got there and they turned out to be off here so that was pretty cool but once we introduced our selves about 4 more people came out and said they were from OL as well!

The guy in charge of the whole show was screamin over the UHF all day and was confusing every other marshel competerter and every one in the crowd!

I think the idea would be good if there was some heavy winching to seperate a few people!

Then there was the last loop...... After about an hour of nothing they started preparing the next loop! Every one thought they were driving up a hill and might need a winch but they cut that out so the people up there deffinatly let the organisers no what they thought!

As for the tree !

Drove the 4 hour hour loop and all i can say is the last 2-3 years have been awsome and hope next year it will be back up to scratch!

Alot of un happy people and when one guy said something over the radio about it not being run up to scratch i wouldn't of delt with it how they did! Deffinatly not the way to deal with it!

BUT still i like the sport and there was some awsome trucks gettin around!

RANT OVER!

that was said spot on...

i was there also, had a blast lookin at the trucks but was amused all day by the uhf in the pocket listening to the VERY UNORGANISED EVENT..

i understand an event like this takes a lot of preperation and to all who were involved done a great job. except:

it has always been great family day out and has plenty of action. but it was without fail the worst event i have ever seen. poorly organised couldnt see a bloody thing and if i wanted to see trucks race around a paddock all day i would have gone to my mates paddock and ripped it up with him.

ohh.. Jonsey.
if you stop yellin at your crew and actually listen to them and get off ya high horse, people wouldnt have left in disgust and when people start tellin ya that the event needs improvment dont be a hero cause they arent comin back and most of us spectators were mad ..the entire crew today busted there balz to make today work and it sorta did but with many complications.but it was obvious communications were at fault. volunteers are not there to be spoken to like sh*t
without spectators there aint gonna be a sport!
and next year get that grumpy ol mole off the gate cause she was the most arrogant person i have ever met!


i hadnt heard one good thing about the event, competitors were confused and the tracks were changed. COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE!

i want my day back and a refund

You are a tool mate
Jonesy worked his ass off all weekend with limited resources and for you to bag him means you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes at an event .
If you think you can do better ,have a go

Deffinatly not bagging him just that no one had an idea what was goin on!

Like when they had to take a bit out over the radio he was saying keep to the yellow then go blue then yellow! for about 20 minutes then the competerter stays on the yellow but go's wrong where it was ment to go to blue just because no one could the arrow near some ones car!

I know he was workin his ass off he was runnin around all day lookin after his little one!

And i deffiatly no what go's on behind the scenes i help run a 4 day event with 300 cars that had about 20 trips go out a day then there meals there pack when they rock up the activitys you have on the sales of stuff the band the list go's on!

And the limited resource bit well what the 10 people with fluro vests doing standing around the tracktor for half the day scrathin there asses doin?

Not having a dig just sayin that it wasn't as good as other years!

BUT they way people delt with it was totaly wrong! Don't say i'm the only one sayin it cause the chant from the hill let every one know what they thought!

[sierrajim]

also grimbo , it was a 2wheel drive track , no cross paddock or anything !!

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[75 cruser]

that hilux is bloody awsome, and the v8 just singing

rob

[beretta]

Thats Laurie Sternbeck isn't it?

[tna racing]

Thats Laurie Sternbeck isn't it?

yes mate it is

[beretta]

Got lots more mumbo with the V8 by the look of it!

[tna racing]

Got lots more mumbo with the V8 by the look of it!

yer it goes awsum as

[bagsy]

Deffinatlt wasn't as good as other years!

Was pretty good when it was going but when they were having managment problems listening to the uhf was funny as!

Thought i might have seen a winch come out! But i didn't!

The big rock hill was all there on it's lonesum with people sitting on it! Has to be brought back for next year!

Was talking to some guys in the morning when we got there and they turned out to be off here so that was pretty cool but once we introduced our selves about 4 more people came out and said they were from OL as well!

The guy in charge of the whole show was screamin over the UHF all day and was confusing every other marshel competerter and every one in the crowd!

I think the idea would be good if there was some heavy winching to seperate a few people!

Then there was the last loop...... After about an hour of nothing they started preparing the next loop! Every one thought they were driving up a hill and might need a winch but they cut that out so the people up there deffinatly let the organisers no what they thought!

As for the tree !

Drove the 4 hour hour loop and all i can say is the last 2-3 years have been awsome and hope next year it will be back up to scratch!

Alot of un happy people and when one guy said something over the radio about it not being run up to scratch i wouldn't of delt with it how they did! Deffinatly not the way to deal with it!

BUT still i like the sport and there was some awsome trucks gettin around!

RANT OVER!

that was said spot on...

i was there also, had a blast lookin at the trucks but was amused all day by the uhf in the pocket listening to the VERY UNORGANISED EVENT..

i understand an event like this takes a lot of preperation and to all who were involved done a great job. except:

it has always been great family day out and has plenty of action. but it was without fail the worst event i have ever seen. poorly organised couldnt see a bloody thing and if i wanted to see trucks race around a paddock all day i would have gone to my mates paddock and ripped it up with him.

ohh.. Jonsey.
if you stop yellin at your crew and actually listen to them and get off ya high horse, people wouldnt have left in disgust and when people start tellin ya that the event needs improvment dont be a hero cause they arent comin back and most of us spectators were mad ..the entire crew today busted there balz to make today work and it sorta did but with many complications.but it was obvious communications were at fault. volunteers are not there to be spoken to like sh*t
without spectators there aint gonna be a sport!
and next year get that grumpy ol mole off the gate cause she was the most arrogant person i have ever met!


i hadnt heard one good thing about the event, competitors were confused and the tracks were changed. COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE!

i want my day back and a refund

You are a tool mate
Jonesy worked his ass off all weekend with limited resources and for you to bag him means you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes at an event .
If you think you can do better ,have a go

Deffinatly not bagging him just that no one had an idea what was goin on!

Like when they had to take a bit out over the radio he was saying keep to the yellow then go blue then yellow! for about 20 minutes then the competerter stays on the yellow but go's wrong where it was ment to go to blue just because no one could the arrow near some ones car!

I know he was workin his ass off he was runnin around all day lookin after his little one!

And i deffiatly no what go's on behind the scenes i help run a 4 day event with 300 cars that had about 20 trips go out a day then there meals there pack when they rock up the activitys you have on the sales of stuff the band the list go's on!

And the limited resource bit well what the 10 people with fluro vests doing standing around the tracktor for half the day scrathin there asses doin?

Not having a dig just sayin that it wasn't as good as other years!

BUT they way people delt with it was totaly wrong! Don't say i'm the only one sayin it cause the chant from the hill let every one know what they thought!

Ok , suzuki boy , If you check my post I actually quoted team rpm and not you . Its cool that you ve run a 4 day event with 300 cars that had about 20 trips go out a day , and their meals , and they're activties...........
Maybe you should get along to a ccda meeting and offer some of your vast experience . The ateco only had 45 teams so it should be pretty easy yeah

[suzuki boy]

Oh ok sorry!

I have always wanted to marshel at the events but never found time to get out the other side of the city because i din't have my p's!

But now i got them i'm all open for being a marshel!

I didn't actually run the event(victorian jeep jamboree jeeps from all around aus come!) My dad(PK) was event director and the planing for it was a year and a bit! Trying to cater for every one was pretty hard to start with but if you have a good team of helpers it moves along nicely!

How do i go about becoming a marshel does any one know?

CHEERS

[suzuki boy]

Deffinatly not the easyst thing to keep people in order! You just a good team with people that WILL help out and make sure evry one understands evry one!

[tna racing]

Oh ok sorry!

I have always wanted to marshel at the events but never found time to get out the other side of the city because i din't have my p's!

But now i got them i'm all open for being a marshel!

I didn't actually run the event(victorian jeep jamboree jeeps from all around aus come!) My dad(PK) was event director and the planing for it was a year and a bit! Trying to cater for every one was pretty hard to start with but if you have a good team of helpers it moves along nicely!

How do i go about becoming a marshel does any one know?

CHEERS

do a ccda marshall corse